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Franco Harris interview on the FAN "Truth Hasn’t Been Revealed About Paterno’s Role In Sex Scandal"

Hundreds of reporters swooped into College Station to find evidence that Jerry was a monster and Joe was an enabler. The BOT spend several million for a report to prove that the BOT were right in firing Joe. Young adults gave testimony and lawyers swooped in to change it to fit timelines and other stories. McQueary changed his story from hearing slapping sounds and the boy in the shower and Jerry in the locker room to see Jerry and the boy in position. The janitor's story was hearsay taken as proof to pin a felony without a victim or date. There was so much conjecture to make the facts fit the story line. My favorite is how he started a tremendous program to help thousands of boys so he could have sex with them, when he had a nice supply through foster kids and adoptions. Professionals trained to spot pedophiles let Jerry do this. Yet he risked this to help others?

However, reading posts from Jive and others is enough to make me sick again. You are so adamant in your beliefs where NO ONE knows the whole story from the reports and these reports are not FACT. However, the bottom line is Joe is forever labeled a pedophile enabler, because the alumni here felt that they know the facts and did not demand a new trial..
College Station? lol

We know that Jerry is a convicted serial pedophile... perhaps the most vile pedophile in the history of our country. Your opinion is an outlier and is radical at best. I hope Jerry rots away painfully in jail for the sins that he committed to numerous innocent children.
 
:oops: Mean old me. I think Jerry should be in prison.

Most of us think that JS is guilty, but not necessarily of everything that has been alleged. You like to say he's guilty, end of story. OK, that's your opinion. But then why do you refuse to answer some simple questions?

  • Does it make sense that MM never told his dad or Dranov that he had seen anything that should be reported to police? He only told that to Joe, Curley, & Shuttz?
  • Does it make sense that MM actually witnessed intercourse from a standing position and that the young boy didn't appear to be distressed afterwards?
 
Franco gave an interview yesterday on the FAN morning show in response to DeAndre Levy's recent comments about Joe. The FAN hosts have bought into most of the false narratives on the fiasco including the 1970's accusations that Joe was told by an accuser that Sandusky had molested him and that Joe did nothing. Franco did his best to dispell the false narratives, but IMO did not make much headway.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016...-revealed-about-paternos-role-in-sex-scandal/
Interesting thought.....Franco has not heard one person tell him that they knew JS was a pedophile. You would have to believe, that if Jerry was molesting kids for 3 decades that one person would have admitted knowing, let alone witness something.
 
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Most of us think that JS is guilty, but not necessarily of everything that has been alleged. You like to say he's guilty, end of story. OK, that's your opinion. But then why do you refuse to answer some simple questions?

  • Does it make sense that MM never told his dad or Dranov that he had seen anything that should be reported to police? He only told that to Joe, Curley, & Shuttz?
  • Does it make sense that MM actually witnessed intercourse from a standing position and that the young boy didn't appear to be distressed afterwards?

BS, I've answered the questions over and over again. Sorry you didn't document them, but try to this time. It never made sense the reactions of MM, his father, or Doctor D. Write that down now just in case you get this idea I didn't answer that question for the 100th time. We have no idea exactly what MM witnessed or what the boy's reaction or physical condition was. I love how some things have evolved into fact here with some.

Again like the victim from the 1970's that victim never even testified in Jerry's trial. You know the trial where some of his very REAL victims testified to much more than naked showers. You see MM is important to you as that is what ties this case to PSU. The thing is the real victims who testified against Jerry all had a similar tale and pattern of abuse. Why is that....because that sick SOB had a certain way of grooming little boys. Jerry loved to touch little boys and did so over and over and over again. You want to worry about MM...go right ahead. I don't care if a few here who want to pretend this was all a big mistake don't like hearing Jerry molested kids. He did.
 
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BS, I've answered the questions over and over again. Sorry you didn't document them, but try to this time. It never made sense the reactions of MM, his father, or Doctor D. Write that down now just in case you get this idea I didn't answer that question for the 100th time. We have no idea exactly what MM witnessed or what the boy's reaction or physical condition was. I love how some things have evolved into fact here with some.

Again like the victim from the 1970's that victim never even testified in Jerry's trial. You know the trial where some of his very REAL victims testified to much more than naked showers. You see MM is important to you as that is what ties this case to PSU. The thing is the real victims who testified against Jerry all had a similar tale and pattern of abuse. Why is that....because that sick SOB had a certain way of grooming little boys. Jerry loved to touch little boys and did so over and over and over again. You want to worry about MM...go right ahead. I don't care if a few here who want to pretend this was all a big mistake don't like hearing Jerry molested kids. He did.
"Yeah, but maybe Sandusky was only guilty of 41 counts instead of 45!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The victims' well-being is not important, what's important is that Jerry gets a 'fair' trial!!!! What if YOU molested only 7 kids but they convict you of molesting 10 kids... you would be outragged!!!!"

:eek:
 
Most of us think that JS is guilty, but not necessarily of everything that has been alleged. You like to say he's guilty, end of story. OK, that's your opinion. But then why do you refuse to answer some simple questions?

  • Does it make sense that MM never told his dad or Dranov that he had seen anything that should be reported to police? He only told that to Joe, Curley, & Shuttz?
  • Does it make sense that MM actually witnessed intercourse from a standing position and that the young boy didn't appear to be distressed afterwards?

You are an idiot.
 
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"Yeah, but maybe Sandusky was only guilty of 41 counts instead of 45!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The victims' well-being is not important, what's important is that Jerry gets a 'fair' trial!!!! What if YOU molested only 7 kids but they convict you of molesting 10 kids... you would be outragged!!!!"

:eek:

It's some odd form of denial for a few. Then others who say they think he should be in prison but sure as hell get offended if you aren't fighting their fight. It sucks that Jerry scorched a ton of good people but I not wasting my time looking for his innocence. It would be one thing if anything real or relevant came up in the last 4 years, but it hasn't. The best thing I've heard is they got paid or a few didn't grow up to be model citizens. I'd like to know how or why TSM walked away in the middle of the night, but that doesn't mean I have to think Jerry was framed either.

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BS, I've answered the questions over and over again. Sorry you didn't document them, but try to this time. It never made sense the reactions of MM, his father, or Doctor D. Write that down now just in case you get this idea I didn't answer that question for the 100th time. We have no idea exactly what MM witnessed or what the boy's reaction or physical condition was. I love how some things have evolved into fact here with some.

Again like the victim from the 1970's that victim never even testified in Jerry's trial. You know the trial where some of his very REAL victims testified to much more than naked showers. You see MM is important to you as that is what ties this case to PSU. The thing is the real victims who testified against Jerry all had a similar tale and pattern of abuse. Why is that....because that sick SOB had a certain way of grooming little boys. Jerry loved to touch little boys and did so over and over and over again. You want to worry about MM...go right ahead. I don't care if a few here who want to pretend this was all a big mistake don't like hearing Jerry molested kids. He did.

bdgan is very stupid and a pain in the butt. He loves to spew BS and put his words in others mouths. He is a disgusting individual who is always on the wrong side of every issue. He is my go to guy when I am in a quandary. I just think, "What would bdgan do?" and do the opposite. It works every time.
 
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Trust me I get that. Then you also have the varying levels on display here. Some agree he should be in jail, but want to relive his case daily or somehow think a new trial will fix things. Others have convinced themselves every victim is a money sucking grub. Anyone not championing Jerry's cause here is somehow the bad guy or they don't care about justice.

I do agree that PSU was railroaded, but the old guard BoT did that by throwing the program under the bus instead of letting the courts handle this. They gave the ammunition out to the media and kept pouring gas on the fire. The total lack of leadership was atrocious, but they thought they could just point to Joe/football and the 3 admins and this would all go away. They pretty much pushed for sanctions that had nothing to do with what the NCAA is in place for. I'm pissed the school did this to themselves, but I'm not going to say Jerry didn't get his day in court. He did with a lawyer he decided to hire and pay for. How many people sitting in jail could afford to do that? His actions landed him in prison just like the actions of the old administration jacked up everything else. I can easily separate the two things, but as you said a few are holding out hope this was all just a prosecution based witch hunt.

While we are putting people in buckets, I will go ahead and put myself in one:

I believe pedophilia is an awful thing. Believing that doesn't make me or anyone special.

I believe there is something wrong with Sandusky and have no problem with him being in jail at this point. For a variety of reasons, I do wonder how far he ever progressed with his "acts", but regardless he went way over the line.

I do not feel that he was well represented (his problem as you say, and I agree) or that the Pa Justice system gave him a particularly "fair trial". I am curious about what we would learn in a retrial, but I do not expect one and spend zero time worrying about one.

I strongly believe that some of the "victims" who testified, and many of those who didn't but were paid anyway, lied/embellished their stories to enrich themselves, with assistance from a smarmy lawyer and the OAG. I do not believe that "adults" are less likely than children to do that. I actually believe they are more likely. I also believe some victims gave honest testimony. I do not know which are which.

Most of the above is pretty irrelevant to PSU. The only important "victim" in this case as it pertains to PSU was victim 2. I believe MM either f'd that up beyond recognition that night by waiting to report "it" to a football coach, or lied/embellished on the stand a decade later. Maybe both.

I do not believe C,S,S or Joe thought Sandusky was a pedophile based on what MM told them in 2001. Their actions in the lengthy aftermath were in no way consistent with them thinking that or with trying to orchestrate the coverup of a child sexual predator. There is also nothing in any of their lengthy track records to suggest they would do something so heinous.

I believe the OAG was and is corrupt and used MM to bolster their case, taking the PSU administrators down as part of the narrative. In doing so, they ignored TSM, other state agencies, etc and children in Pa are not safer because of their actions.

I believe the BOT hired Louie Freeh with the full intent to dump this matter squarely on the administrators and Joe and move on, regardless or perhaps even in spite of the truth.

I believe that when they did the above they did not expect the NCAA to take it so far, but once it did they were forced to stick to the false narrative in which they were complicit.

I believe I would reconsider my views on almost anything if I noticed that elvis, osprey and/or jive were agreeing with me very often, but that is a whole 'nother topic. Just sayin'....

There are a lot of other things I believe, but those are many of the big ones.

So it seems that I too can separate the two and that we actually agree on many points. Buckets are too simple. Perhaps where we differ is that I am still highly interested in the aspects of this matter that apply to PSU, and I enjoy much of the dialogue here about those aspects. For those that don't, I suggest not opening these threads as you are likely to get frustrated.
 
BS, I've answered the questions over and over again. Sorry you didn't document them, but try to this time. It never made sense the reactions of MM, his father, or Doctor D. Write that down now just in case you get this idea I didn't answer that question for the 100th time. We have no idea exactly what MM witnessed or what the boy's reaction or physical condition was. I love how some things have evolved into fact here with some.

Again like the victim from the 1970's that victim never even testified in Jerry's trial. You know the trial where some of his very REAL victims testified to much more than naked showers. You see MM is important to you as that is what ties this case to PSU. The thing is the real victims who testified against Jerry all had a similar tale and pattern of abuse. Why is that....because that sick SOB had a certain way of grooming little boys. Jerry loved to touch little boys and did so over and over and over again. You want to worry about MM...go right ahead. I don't care if a few here who want to pretend this was all a big mistake don't like hearing Jerry molested kids. He
did.

I think that both Dranov and MM testified that the boy didn't appear to be in distress. Would that be the case if he had just been subjected to anal intercourse?

The consistent testimony might be a result of coordinated efforts by their lawyers, no?

I haven't seen anybody other than JZ say that JS is innocent. Maybe there is a poster or two on this board that I'm missing but I think 90% consider JS guilty. But some of the claims seem suspicious. Kids that said JS didn't do anything then changed their story after big money was waved in front of them and they went to suppressed memory therapy. That seems pretty suspicious. Calling C/S/S/Joe guilty when their testimony mirrors the testimony of JM & Dranov seems suspicious. The notion that Dottie and her other kids ignored cries for help while JS was abusing kids in the basement seems suspicious.

I am 100% convinced that JS has a problem and that he had inappropriate contact with minors. I've said that even if he was innocent in 1998 he should have been sufficiently scared by what almost happened to him that he should have avoided showering with boys like the plague. He didn't and that tells me he had a big problem. Of course that doesn't mean that he raped all these kids. That's a big difference.

I think the majority of people agree with me. It doesn't mean that we are deniers or that we think JS is innocent.


P.S. Your statement "It never made sense the reactions of MM, his father, or Doctor D." Are you saying that MM told them about rape and that they are lying to cover their own rear ends? Or are you saying that MM might not have told them the whole story and that he might not have told the whole story to others?
 
I think the majority of people agree with me. It doesn't mean that we are deniers or that we think JS is innocent.


P.S. Your statement "It never made sense the reactions of MM, his father, or Doctor D." Are you saying that MM told them about rape and that they are lying to cover their own rear ends? Or are you saying that MM might not have told them the whole story and that he might not have told the whole story to others?

I think you mean a few on this site may agree with you. If you think the vast majority of people think Jerry just had boundary issues or was somehow treated unfairly you aren't even on the same planet as me. Maybe you feel that way because a loud vocal minority here likes to talk about this daily but more people skip over this tired BS than read it anymore. Bring this over to 247 which is a PSU site and see who agrees with you...and that is a bunch of PSU fans/alums. BWI and Tom's site isn't reality...but if you think that is the case...run with it.
 
I think you mean a few on this site may agree with you. If you think the vast majority of people think Jerry just had boundary issues or was somehow treated unfairly you aren't even on the same planet as me. Maybe you feel that way because a loud vocal minority here likes to talk about this daily but more people skip over this tired BS than read it anymore. Bring this over to 247 which is a PSU site and see who agrees with you...and that is a bunch of PSU fans/alums. BWI and Tom's site isn't reality...but if you think that is the case...run with it.


247 is reality?

LMMFAO to the high heavens.
 
247 is reality?

LMMFAO to the high heavens.

In other words...they won't let pnny act like an arse like they do over here. You would go through a handle a day there as they don't tolerate this stupidity. 247 is the best site for recruiting and pure PSU football talk. Now, now, you go back to talking about Jerry or Pitt fans now.
 
In other words...they won't let pnny act like an arse like they do over here. You would go through a handle a day there as they don't tolerate this stupidity. 247 is the best site for recruiting and pure PSU football talk. Now, now, you go back to talking about Jerry or Pitt fans now.

I've been posting there for a long time, Schwanda. Try again.
 
Trust me, you're FOS. Put out your handle right now and I'll see how active you have been. I'll bet you don't.

Damn right I'm not whiner. So you can start crying. Try again pud, you helped ruin TOS with the other fools. I see you keep your garbage sedate on 247.
 
Are you like the king troll or just crazy? There has to be something wrong with you .
 
Most of us think that JS is guilty, but not necessarily of everything that has been alleged. You like to say he's guilty, end of story. OK, that's your opinion. But then why do you refuse to answer some simple questions?

  • Does it make sense that MM never told his dad or Dranov that he had seen anything that should be reported to police? He only told that to Joe, Curley, & Shuttz?
  • Does it make sense that MM actually witnessed intercourse from a standing position and that the young boy didn't appear to be distressed afterwards?
It doesn't matter to LJ. He has made it clear the end justifies the means and NO logical questions can be asked or you become a ped enabler.
 
Why are you here, tonto? To attempt to wreck another site? You're wrong all the way around, blowhard.

Yet I have maintained the same handle for 15+ years on this site and used the same one everywhere. If you are talking about Scout's trainwreck, you can blame yourself there as I rarely if ever posted on the Audibles site and stopped paying for Scout a long, long, long time ago. tick, tick, tick....almost time for a new handle pnny.
 
Yet I have maintained the same handle for 15+ years on this site and used the same one everywhere. If you are talking about Scout's trainwreck, you can blame yourself there as I rarely if ever posted on the Audibles site and stopped paying for Scout a long, long, long time ago. tick, tick, tick....almost time for a new handle pnny.


Tonto.

Yes, ever since you were ran off.
 
While we are putting people in buckets, I will go ahead and put myself in one:

I believe pedophilia is an awful thing. Believing that doesn't make me or anyone special.

I believe there is something wrong with Sandusky and have no problem with him being in jail at this point. For a variety of reasons, I do wonder how far he ever progressed with his "acts", but regardless he went way over the line.

I do not feel that he was well represented (his problem as you say, and I agree) or that the Pa Justice system gave him a particularly "fair trial". I am curious about what we would learn in a retrial, but I do not expect one and spend zero time worrying about one.

I strongly believe that some of the "victims" who testified, and many of those who didn't but were paid anyway, lied/embellished their stories to enrich themselves, with assistance from a smarmy lawyer and the OAG. I do not believe that "adults" are less likely than children to do that. I actually believe they are more likely. I also believe some victims gave honest testimony. I do not know which are which.

Most of the above is pretty irrelevant to PSU. The only important "victim" in this case as it pertains to PSU was victim 2. I believe MM either f'd that up beyond recognition that night by waiting to report "it" to a football coach, or lied/embellished on the stand a decade later. Maybe both.

I do not believe C,S,S or Joe thought Sandusky was a pedophile based on what MM told them in 2001. Their actions in the lengthy aftermath were in no way consistent with them thinking that or with trying to orchestrate the coverup of a child sexual predator. There is also nothing in any of their lengthy track records to suggest they would do something so heinous.

I believe the OAG was and is corrupt and used MM to bolster their case, taking the PSU administrators down as part of the narrative. In doing so, they ignored TSM, other state agencies, etc and children in Pa are not safer because of their actions.

I believe the BOT hired Louie Freeh with the full intent to dump this matter squarely on the administrators and Joe and move on, regardless or perhaps even in spite of the truth.

I believe that when they did the above they did not expect the NCAA to take it so far, but once it did they were forced to stick to the false narrative in which they were complicit.

I believe I would reconsider my views on almost anything if I noticed that elvis, osprey and/or jive were agreeing with me very often, but that is a whole 'nother topic. Just sayin'....

There are a lot of other things I believe, but those are many of the big ones.

So it seems that I too can separate the two and that we actually agree on many points. Buckets are too simple. Perhaps where we differ is that I am still highly interested in the aspects of this matter that apply to PSU, and I enjoy much of the dialogue here about those aspects. For those that don't, I suggest not opening these threads as you are likely to get frustrated.
Great Post. Almost exactly my sentiments
 
You know damn well he doesn't post there. He's like a fish out of water if he can't talk Jerry or Pitt and that site doesn't harp on those topics like this one does.
Yeah, there is no way. I mean, we get some guys who show up several times after being banned, but none of them post like pnny. It would be really odd for him to post differently on 247 than he does everywhere else.
 
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BS, I've answered the questions over and over again. Sorry you didn't document them, but try to this time. It never made sense the reactions of MM, his father, or Doctor D. Write that down now just in case you get this idea I didn't answer that question for the 100th time. We have no idea exactly what MM witnessed or what the boy's reaction or physical condition was. I love how some things have evolved into fact here with some.

Again like the victim from the 1970's that victim never even testified in Jerry's trial. You know the trial where some of his very REAL victims testified to much more than naked showers. You see MM is important to you as that is what ties this case to PSU. The thing is the real victims who testified against Jerry all had a similar tale and pattern of abuse. Why is that....because that sick SOB had a certain way of grooming little boys. Jerry loved to touch little boys and did so over and over and over again. You want to worry about MM...go right ahead. I don't care if a few here who want to pretend this was all a big mistake don't like hearing Jerry molested kids. He did.

So we will forever disagree but if MM's story is full of holes and the janitor story is complete BS and yet still JS was found guilty of all but one charge with those to non Vic's maybe that says something about the jury frame of mind. You ask why did the REAL Vic's tell similar tales if they weren't true? Well maybe the same lawyer and "coached" witnesses could affect that.
One final thought for LJ and Osprey and Elvis who seem to think anyone who wonders about this is a evil idiot. Other than JS who were the true ped enablers? I would say the state agencies who NEVER vetted the guy and TSM who still has never been looked at.
Yet you guys want to say JS in jail case closed move on. Btw mixlodion hit my feelings on nose.
 
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