Thank you, Franco, for keeping your eye on the ball and all that you have been tirelessly doing in pursuit of accuracy. You represent the values of the Penn State we know.
Franco Harris interview on the FAN "Truth Hasn’t Been Revealed About Paterno’s Role In Sex Scandal"
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Yes, Duke was one accuser and a singular incident. But it involved a prosecutor, a lie, a feckless academic institution that threw its own under the bus and a media firestorm.
You say most of what I wrote is theory - it still is a helluva lot more logical than "Joe knew Jerry was ass raping kids for 30 years and did nothing about it". <---- a theory that has NOT been proven true, and you're just gonna hang your hat on that one and expect everyone to climb aboard the Move On bus.
And you still deflect from my question. I'd like an answer.
I thought I read that the PA prosecutors knew of those 1970's allegations, investigated them and found them to be groundless. Also, the 1970's "victims" were attending athletic camps and stayed in the dorms away from the coaches. Totally different from the way JS groomed his victims. Of course, that didn't stop those "victims" from showing up at the uncontested "money well."
Those "victims" and their bullshit claims do a disservice to whoever the real victims are.
I'm very suspicious of the motives of the "move on" crowd. We're supposed to move on because trying to get to as much truth as possible is too daunting a task? Here's what concerns me most about moving on: by doing so, the narrative of Joe knowing about and covering up for Sandusky's actions (or alleged actions, if that's your stance) is set in stone. The resulting media response, and therefore what the logic-challenged bulk of America will believe, is that everything alleged against Joe must be true, otherwise why would his defenders have given up?
Most of what Jive has written in this thread is either conjecture or opinion. My opinion is that moving on is the one action that doesn't make sense and should not even be considered, and that (s)he and other move on-ers have an unstated reason for wanting the rest of us to do the same.
Taking a "Moving on" approach to this Scandal is nothing more that saying "I SUPPORT CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES by PA Officials - I don't care a SH*T about "Victims"...I only want a deteriorating "Story" about Penn State to continue to provide cover for SERIOUS criminal activities FOREVER".
We now know for a fact - TRUTH and Justice have NOT been achieved. The "Story" which the public has been led to believe in is FACTUALLY eroding daily!!!
The ONLY way to explain "Moving On" without "The Truth" is to PERSONALLY endorse the continuation of any form of deception necessary to justify and hide other crimes.
The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you'd have done unto you. Would you want millions assuming you enabled pedophilia without as you admitted conclusive evidence? Would you want to be judged on any horrible accusation by that witch hunt standard? If not than you must assume innocence until proven guilty. You wouldn't want future employment, friendships, lovers to avoid you because you were accused of something with no hard evidence once upon a time.
It is our job to maintain the facts of this case in our defense of Joe Paterno for future generations who with better understanding & less emotional bias will be able to study those facts & to review our case so that some day our grand children may look back on this as we look on the Salem Witch Trials & other times of mass hysteria.
I doubt people will much care about Paterno one way or the other in future generations. I mean, it's not like Paterno went to jail or was murdered due to false accusations. I have a hard time thinking that 100 years from now anyone will be too upset about him not being able to coach the last few games of his career and having a statue of himself removed. Comparing it to the Salem Witch Trials is a bit much.
Well....you did it. Your true location and perspective has been exposed.
If I read you right, from your post you state that false accusations mean NOTHING....Well for any sane person this statement CONFIRMS you have straw for a brain and are also in serious need for a heart.
How are things in the Wonderful World of OZ???
No, what I am saying is that people simply will not care because the actual penalties placed upon Paterno (after the NCAA restored his wins) was minuscule. The uproar from pro-Paterno people stems from the change in the public's perception of him and nothing else. I'm not sure how you think that is even close to the autocracies of the Salem Witch Trials.
From the material I have read, Joe did not say I should have done more. He reportedly said, if I knew then what I know now......... I have read this incorrect description, heaven knows how many times. Haters gonna hate, as is said. I bet many to this day don't know the whole story of the so-called Cuban missile crisis re US missiles in Turkey, they just took the story as they/we were feed. There are many examples of such, this is one very sad one.
The legacy and reputation of one of the all time great coaching figures in sports (a legacy and reputation that, mind you, is inextricably intertwined with that of the university at which he coached) is in tatters, and you don't consider that to be significant? Joe and his philosophy and good works are something that should have been looked upon favorably for generations. Instead he is now considered to be a win-at-all-costs pedophile enabler, which is the exact opposite of what he was and what he stood for.
Huh? The actual, and most meaningful penalty, was the destruction of his reputation. One's reputation is the most meaningful thing that they have. How would you like to be one of Joe's children or grandchildren? How would you like to be Jay's son, who is named after Joe?
It does suck his reputation was ruined by the schools admin and Jerry's actions, but I'm nor sure how that changes the minds that are already made up. Jerry will die in jail as a serial pedophile and even when the charges are dropped, those outside of PSU will not care. Is it fair,,,nope, but life isn't fair in general.
The administration did what it had to do. Could you imagine the uproar against and vilification
of Penn State had Paterno not been fired and his statue not removed. If Paterno was as smart as many think, he would have resigned after being called to testify because any smart person should have
known then this was going to blow up. And it did.
Again, the situation was being compared to people being hung and the imprisonment of a 5 year old because of "witchcraft". A dead man's reputation is not exactly a big concern in the grand scheme of things.
PSU plays for a Big 10 title tomorrow, Sandusky is in jail, and Paterno is dead. Move on.
Damn right. Penn State is ranked SEVENTH in the nation and is playing for the BIG TEN CHAMPIONSHIP.
Joe is watching from Heaven, we love him and always will, and feel his presence, but we live in the present, not the past.
And the monster is in protective custody in prison for the rest of his days.
Let's go play football tomorrow and beat Wisconsin and do this thing.
Nice straw man argument. The comparison was that both were products of mass hysteria based on little evidence which the entire rest of my post pointed out. There's no such thing as a perfect comparison but if you want something closer here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria
The point is it will be cared about & remembered if we carry the torch & pass it on to the next generation.
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It was a terrible comparison. Many feel that Paterno lacked morality in regards to how he handled Sandusky, so you will have a hard time getting them to care. Totally different from the victims of the the Salem Witch Trials. You aren't changing anyone's opinion and likely are just pissing people off.
Oh nice....an idiot agreeing with a buffoon. Confirmation.
Many people? You mean people who'se opinions don't amount to a hill of beans?
Your comment about Joe lacking morality is laughable. If it weren't so sad.
Continue to keep your head up your ass. I am sure you can lick your colon clean
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If you think anything will move public opinion to any large degree, you're worse than an idiot ;
I mean, you say that you have to fight to change the narrative and then say that people with a different opinion than yours don't amount to a hill of beans. So... what the hell are you doing then?
They condemned all of them and told the world they were guilty, when they clearly are not. If the administration had stood up for C/S/S/P, PSU wouldn't be in this mess right now. Any smart administration would have stood up for them, knowing that it would blow up otherwise. And it did.
I spent way too much time on this a few years back. My conclusion was that since it was proven Meyers and Matt changed their choice to testify for Jerry after talking to Shubin and it was proven the Janitor declared that the rapist was not Jerry that there was doubt Jerry had sex with anyone. My demand was the PSU alumni demand a new trial for Jerry, even though the evidence was that Jerry definitely was guilty of overstepping boundaries.
A new trial would wipe away the media THOUGHT POLICE. People across the country would see Joe reported it correctly and did not think Jerry was a pedophile and even had his grandchildren play at Jerry's house. If the trial did establish Jerry had sex with some kids then keep him locked up. At the very least the country would know that it was not evident that Jerry was a monster. This was simple step to get rid of all doubt.
I appreciate all those that supported the idea and was shocked most people did not want to spend the money. It has cost PSU, Joe's family and the PSU Alumni much more in reputation alone. Then again, since I have not been keeping up, has there been any evidence that Jerry had sex with anyone since then?
A new trial would wipe away the media THOUGHT POLICE. People across the country would see Joe reported it correctly and did not think Jerry was a pedophile and even had his grandchildren play at Jerry's house. If the trial did establish Jerry had sex with some kids then keep him locked up. At the very least the country would know that it was not evident that Jerry was a monster. This was simple step to get rid of all doubt.
I appreciate all those that supported the idea and was shocked most people did not want to spend the money. It has cost PSU, Joe's family and the PSU Alumni much more in reputation alone. Then again, since I have not been keeping up, has there been any evidence that Jerry had sex with anyone since then?
Just like in most pedophilia trials, the evidence is in the form of victim testimonies.
Do you think Sandusky got a fair trial? Do you think that repressed memory therapy is a reliable way for an accuser to recall details of abuse?
I believe the trial was patently unfair. His attorneys were extremely ineffective and the OAG committed serial acts of prosecutorial misconduct.
Mike McQueary did not witness an anal rape in the Lasch locker room shower and the OAG knew the grand jury presentment was false. The OAG knew that AM claimed to be victim 2, but McGettigan still said in closing arguments that victim 2 was known only to God.
Sandusky was prepared to take the stand in his own defense but was convinced by his own attorney that it would open the door to Matt Sandusky testifying. His attorney was mistaken; and even if Matt testified, he would have easily been impeached. Sandusky has always professed his innocence and took the stand to deny the accusations on a couple of ocassions in the PCRA evidentiary hearings this past summer.
