Only thing elite about Franklin is his pay.
Franklin
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Massive bonehead call on 4th and 4 in our own territory with 7 1/2 minutes to go. Otherwise, Franklin did ok. I’m generally good with him. Great recruiter, good coach. We had some bad calls against us, and missed opportunities
Would OSU or UM tolerate this record against us and the other team?
Eh, I generally defend Franklin because I think he has done a good job with the program. However, there were several egregious decisions today.
Burning a timeout in the first quarter to only come out and punt on 4th down. If you’re going to do that at least run the play clock down and try to get them to jump. It didn’t hurt PSU, but timeout and clock management mistakes happen repeatedly.
Going for 2 on the touchdown? I’m still trying to make that make sense. Maybe I’m missing something, but that seemed off. Again, it didn’t hurt PSU but is something that makes you ask “WTF?”
I don’t often criticize play calling because if it works you look like a genius, and if it fails you look like a heel. But aren’t there times where you have 3rd and 3 and you know you’re going for it on 4th down? Don’t you run the ball to make it 4th and 1 or 2?
Always with excuses. Bad calls are created, something Franklin is not.
The timeout was because he was going to go for it after the egregious 3rd down call. Punt was the right decision, but should not have had to have been made.
Going for two was not terrible - thinking that is was easier to get it when OSU was not as focus as they might be if they did happen to get a second TD. It would have pit them in a position to steal one with an extra point.
Agree on the last paragraph.
Would Nebraska tolerate it? I guess they took matters into their own hands and found out.
Still a lot to play for this season.
You are missing something…it’s the right call.
Timeout before the point was awful though…didn’t hurt us, but it’s an obvious punting situation and no reason to burn that timeout.
How is it the right call? I understand you don’t want to go to OT and you think your chances are better in regulation. But why not wait for the 2nd touchdown? I still think going to OT is a better option, but I can live with winning in regulation.
If you decide you’re going to play for the win, you’re going to have to get a two point conversion at some point….why not do it before the game depends on it and the defense is geared up for it?
I understand he originally wanted to go for it. He had the offense on the field and called the TO to get the punt team out there. But isn’t there a voice in his head that says, “we can line up and maybe draw them offsides. Call the timeout with a few seconds on the play clock.” That’s my biggest complaint. At least give yourself to steal a first down.
I can live with trying to end the game in regulation, but you wouldn’t have caught OSU by surprise. They still had a TO and could’ve used it. Why not wait for the 2nd TD to try for 2?
Because it gives you more time to think on it. Get a better play? Maybe realize you have some momentum if you get the onside kick and a second touchdown. Maybe at that point you want to play for OT?
I’m sure it’s a lot easier to make these snap decisions as you’re sitting at home watching it on TV.
These are decisions I see on Friday nights and routinely in other games. I don’t think that’s asking too much.
If you go for two before the first one and convert
, you can kick the XP to win…miss it, and you can still go for two to take it to OT.
Simplistically, if probability of winning in OT is 50%, probability of making the XP is 100%, and making each two point conversion is 50%…then scoring twice and going for 2 after the first one gives you a 62.5% chance of winning vs the traditional 50% chance. It’s why you’re seeing coaches that understand analytics following this strategy more and more.
But don’t you still have those same odds after the second touchdown? Can’t you still decide for the win vs OT after touchdown number 2?
At that point, it’s a 50/50…do it after the first TD, and you still have the “safety net” of converting the conversion after the second TD to get OT.
It gives you an additional way to
win.
On the timeout - they had already run a lot of time off the clock with the indecision. Franklin’s instinct was to go for it like he has in early in other big games. I thought the decision to punt was made during the TO. I guess you could have come back out and taken the five yard penalty if they didn’t jump off sides since there was plenty of field for the punt.
I still believe the 3rd down play before really changed the game. We had just driven the field to score the FG consistently running the ball and then got a quick punt on defense. We got to third and very short then got cute because he thought he was going to get a big play or go for it on 4th. Then there was confusion.
I think James has generally done a good job building this program, but he has to start beating OSU and Michigan at least sometimes. Or you have to make a change and give someone else a chance. Otherwise, PSU turns into just another team content with perpetual good but never great.
Maybe this is the best we can do. Ranked somewhere in the 7-15 range, a news years bowl, but never contending for the playoffs.
Maybe this is the best we can do. Ranked somewhere in the 7-15 range, a news years bowl, but never contending for the playoffs.
If you are an Indiana or Northwestern type under dog, absolutely you don't play for OT. But PSU was No 7 with one of, if not the top, defenses in football.
IF everything worked in PSUs favor and they managed to tie the game, the D would have had a while to rest, not to mention a huge boost in confidence amd momentum. Maybe they still lose, who knows.
Guess I should be like you Gunsie and demand we fire Shrewsberry, only to sing his praises a few weeks later.
All would be good if your boy Lonnie White was out there today…what happened to your guarantee that he’d be playing for us?
Why did you bail on your last ID and move on to another new one? Was it simply that you came off so poorly after your demands to fire Micah? You really can't just own up to being wrong, and instead always need to create a new username?
Did someone mention 21 Guns? LOL, Gunsie…
Give him credit...he's moved on from the ridiculous denials that he's Gunsie, to simply ignoring the truth.Did someone mention 21 Guns? LOL, Gunsie…
