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There is simply no other way to say it, Allar choked. Just was not even close to ready for the moment.
Yeah you do. It’s the whole “philosophy” of Franklin being a “CEO” that is wrong with this team. We don’t need a CEO, we need a football coach who understands how to coach during a game, not just during the practice week. This man simply doesn’t have “it”. If you’re implying we shouldn’t give someone else an opportunity, well that’s a horrible stance to have.
Ryan Day was nobody until he was given a chance to be somebody. Kirby Smart was just a DC until he was given an opportunity to be somebody.
Your whole premise of arguing we should “stick” with Franklin because “nobody” else is available is a horrible stance to take. IMO.
Nobody is nobody until they are given a chance to be somebody. It’s kind of how life works.
We didn't lose this game because Hardy failed to field a punt. We lost because our quarterback is a kid and he wasn't even close to mentally strong enough to play in a big game.
And James has had 10 years. How long did it take Kirby and Ryan? Hell how long did it take Harbaugh?
The worst was going for it with 7:49 left or whatever it was. We might have still had a chance to win if he hadn't done that. It was basically surrendering. I'd rather have seen that in the 1st quarter when you had more time to overcome it if they got a quick score.
Not sure about going for 2. I think the thought was to try to win the game in regulation if they could get the ball back.
Franklin isn’t leaving on his own and the university leadership is not trying to make him. He could average 7-8 wins a year and still get an extension. The fans don’t matter nor does NCs, it’s all about the money and to many people give just for the experience.
If it's all about the money then why is our NIL on the same level as Wake Forest?
I don't think a coaching change is realistic right now. I think we have to look at the rest of this year and next year and start a $50 million gofundme at that point if we think he needs to go.
Harbaugh's career at Michigan was on life support a couple of years ago and he had to take a pay cut. These things can change, but you have to win these types of games.
Fair enough. These decisions always have lots of moving parts. I would never fire a coach until after the season was completed and everything was taken into account. Decisions based on ‘emotion of the moment’ never end well.
Don’t worry, the same posters calling for Franklin’s head won’t like the next guy either, so there’s that.
Ill go with the "if you cant beat them, hire their staff approach" It's a big risk, but I'd try to get Hartline from OSU.
Diaz wouldn't be the most horrible choice either.
Brian Ferentz
Just kidding on the last one.
Horrible coach on gameday. Unfortunately they will not fire him. They are invested in a guy who will do better than average, but never take us to the elite level. Calls on game day are horrible. Examples just from the first half. 1. 3rd and 1, sort of middle of the field, we throw!!! kill a good drive. Another drive, we run for 22 yard, then 15. So instead of sticking with it, we decide to start trying to throw!!!!. Guy is clueless on gameday!!!! Especially in big games. I am getting my sign ready for next week. Franklin Must Go!!!!
After last years OSU loss I fully expected Allar to see more meaningful action. A few respected posters lit into me, and while I wasn't a Clifford hater, I found myself in that seemingly weekly 6 year Soap Opera.
Bottom line is that not playing Drew in games like last seasons' MSU finale hurt us today. He simply wasn't ready. We can't have it both ways, but we also set ourselves up for today. It was predictable, and what OSU schemed for.
Hardy's goof could have been our best shot at a big play since the offense was so ineffective. Instead, he made a hero out of their Australian punter rather than giving us at least midfield position only down 7 or likely, an even shorter field.
The bravado of JP Jr.was emblematic of a shift that the earlier poster referenced re too long of a leash. Guy made some great plays, typically followed shortly thereafter by a holding or a P.I.
#4 King is a very good player, but like Scott Norwood in Buffalo, I will remember him giving up the big play to then Michigan TE All to lose the game 2 years ago, and getting his butt kicked today.
As disappointed as we are, give Day credit for getting their best player the ball as often as he did. In the end hat was the key.
They deserved to win, and we didn't.
I kind of see something similar this year. When Pribula gets in, he’s almost always running, (34 rushes for 225 yards). He hardly throws the ball, (6-13 for 75 yards with one 30 yard pass). If Allar ever gets hurt and Pribula needs to come in that’s an issue. It just seems like there’s little attention to detail and preparing for potential issues.
So, Hardy, Kalen, Kobe, Jacobs gaffs didn't impact the outcome of the game?
Nor did Yurcick's insistence on treating this game as a slow progression check- off practice game like PSU was playing Delaware again?
The playing of entire games like they were trying to run out the clock experiment has to be shelved along with the delayed hand off BS.
Funny how Franklin embraced this approach prior to the OSU game then then seemed to have turned on Yurcick in his post game.
If PSU keeps running the delayed hand off shit against UM totally neutralizing Drews mobility in the floating pocket and killing the play action while rendering the running game moot, PSU will get blown off their home field turf.
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This is a good take. Compare the QB play of tOSU. That kid was just as rattled and shaky at times. They had quick drops and fired the ball to neutralize a rush they knew was coming from our DL. Granted they have Grade A receivers who get separation, but we failed to target a true freshman CB and overall seemed to have no plan other than to run the same tired plays you describe into the teeth of a run blitzing defense. The lack of a plan and adjustments were evident.
You are correct. This tells me Franklin is a smart business person, other areas not so much. It also tells me Franklin looks out for Franklin which permeates into his leadership style. It’s in the way he answers (or dances around questions) postgame. He encourages recognition of the “individual” over the team. He encourages “money” over team and community. The fact that Franklin has locked himself into this contract without an “out” for the University tells you everything you need to know about him as a leader. He isn’t a leader. He’s an individual who pounced on his “golden opportunity” selfishly I might add. In a way, he did exactly what we are warned against biblically….he took all the riches of the world for himself……it’s quite revealing of the individual and his product.
This how Ohio State sees us under Franklin. Fair or not that's reality. As much as we're Goliath to most in the Big Ten we're a joke to the elite programs. It has to change either with or without Franklin.
Going for it on 4th down was one of the more inexplicable calls in my memory. It's a one score game. You have all your timeouts and a great defense. How can you not pin OSU deep?
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What's the probability of scoring on a 2-point conversion when the other team is ranked in the top 10?
Excellent question! However, we are supposed to believe the statistics tell the “whole story”….right? Follow the statistics they say…..statistics are crafted lies…..statistics will tell whatever story you want them to tell….rarely do they tell the truth…..
I’m sure it’s higher than you think…but it would also raise the question of what the probability of winning it OT would be against a top 10 team…it all plays into it.
I wonder the player * ratings between Utah and USC - yet Utah COACHING finds a way to have a backup walkon QB play well enough to win.
I would substitute “occasionally” for “but never.”
But, yes, this is who Penn State is in the grand scheme of things.
UGa, Bama, Bucknuts are who they are.
Pitt is who it is.
Kent State, UMass, etc are who they are.
PSU likely needs to sell more of its soul to move up that ladder to “elite” football status.
Georgia, Bama and Ohio State got to that level because of coaching changes. Bama wasn't Bama after Bryant until Saban. Georgia was basically us until Smart. Bruce and Cooper weren't the same as Hayes and it was Tressel that changed that.
Pretending we can't get to that level is ridiculous. It's just people being content and, sorry, Paterno convinced people that we did things the right way so many here still accept that. The goal is win conference titles and contend for national championships. We're too high profile of a program to accept less.
I agree.
But PSU can’t get to that next level with the status quo. The additional $$$ it would take in head coach buyout/salary, assistant coach salary and NIL to step up is what I mean by “selling its soul.”
Without that commitment, PSU will remain who it is.
But PSU can’t get to that next level with the status quo. The additional $$$ it would take in head coach buyout/salary, assistant coach salary and NIL to step up is what I mean by “selling its soul.”
Without that commitment, PSU will remain who it is.
This is not the best we can do. during 1993-2011 Penn State won seven times against Ohio State. At Franklin's current pace it will take him 60 more years to get to seven wins against Ohio State. On the flip side, Paterno's teams were often uncompetitive vs OSU when they didn't win. Franklin's teams usually have competitive games with OSU, but losing every single one of those is obviously a bad sign. Under the old Paterno model we probably would have contended for the playoffs once every four or five years, if the playoffs had existed.
i am a little skeptical, though, that it is easy to go out and identify a coach who will take it from where it is to the next level without taking several steps backwards. could easily make the wrong hire like Michigan did a couple of times before Harbaugh
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