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Why not wait for the 2nd TD to try for 2?

I don't know. We can second guess it, but the only answer that matters is we didn't recover the onside kick hence its irrelevant, no?

The reality is, there is no right answer unless it's successful because we see old school calls, analytics calls, etc and there is nothing definitive.
 
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You go for 2 after the first TD because if you don't convert you can then still go for 2 after the second to force OT
 
I have no issues with going for two after the touchdown or the time out before the punt. Issue I have is that we did not see the tush push quarterback sneak, or the T-formation at all on short yardage today.
 
I have no issues with going for two after the touchdown or the time out before the punt. Issue I have is that we did not see the tush push quarterback sneak, or the T-formation at all on short yardage today.
I agree about the t-formation but not the tush push==pretty much every team other than the Eagles flop with that approach.
 
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Great discussions in here, my only question really is for those who want Franklin fired. Is who do you guys actually want to hire that is realistic?

Franklin has a ton of faults and is not anything more than an average gameday head coach but you don't just fire a head coach to do so.
 
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Great discussions in here, my only question really is for those who want Franklin fired. Is who do you guys actually want to hire that is realistic?

Franklin has a ton of faults and is not anything more than an average gameday head coach but you don't just fire a head coach to do so.
Exactly. The fear is you become Nebraska but frankly this is year 10 and Franky didn't even get 5.
 
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Great discussions in here, my only question really is for those who want Franklin fired. Is who do you guys actually want to hire that is realistic?

Franklin has a ton of faults and is not anything more than an average gameday head coach but you don't just fire a head coach to do so.
Did anyone think Kirby Smart was a lock to take Georgia to the next level? Sometimes you have to take a risk
I wouldn't fire him now. He gets at least 2025 but he has to start winning big games. In the grand scheme, we're not winning titles with him and that's the goal. Eventually you move on.
It's like the Steelers with Tomlin. Tomlin's a great coach but both teams need a change.
 
Did anyone think Kirby Smart was a lock to take Georgia to the next level? Sometimes you have to take a risk
I wouldn't fire him now. He gets at least 2025 but he has to start winning big games. In the grand scheme, we're not winning titles with him and that's the goal. Eventually you move on.
It's like the Steelers with Tomlin. Tomlin's a great coach but both teams need a change.
Sure and that's a very reasonable take. End of the day, its just, I don't think you make that decision unless you know you can land one of your top 2, 3 guys.
 
Sure and that's a very reasonable take. End of the day, its just, I don't think you make that decision unless you know you can land one of your top 2, 3 guys.
Right--no disagreement and that's also why I wouldn't be making the move yet but the clock is ticking. There's only so long you can go without showing you can beat Michigan and Ohio State (soon to add Oregon, Washington and USC) before you have to make a move. Right now we're the third team in the conference. We can't fall to 5 or 6.
 
Right--no disagreement and that's also why I wouldn't be making the move yet but the clock is ticking. There's only so long you can go without showing you can beat Michigan and Ohio State (soon to add Oregon, Washington and USC) before you have to make a move. Right now we're the third team in the conference. We can't fall to 5 or 6.
I would also say that right now, I think having consistency as the landscape evolves is important.
 
I would also say that right now, I think having consistency as the landscape evolves is important.
And that's valid and one of many things that must be considered.
The main reason I'm fine bringing him back even if the Michigan game is a disaster is I no longer have any worries about any team on our schedule other than Michigan and Ohio State. He just has to eventually win big games. And sooner than later. 1-9 against Ohio State, 2-12 on the road vs. top 25 teams, 0-10 on the road vs top 10...it can't continue. That's overwhelmingly bad.
 
Mike Elko and Jeff Brohm are two guys i'm talking to if we ever do move on. Not guarantee that they do better but, like when I wanted Franklin following O'Brien's departure, they have potential to do big things here given what they've done at places where it's tough to win.
 
Mike Elko and Jeff Brohm are two guys i'm talking to if we ever do move on. Not guarantee that they do better but, like when I wanted Franklin following O'Brien's departure, they have potential to do big things here given what they've done at places where it's tough to win.
Elko is really intriguing as a head coach. Think we may see him in East Lansing next year.
 
Sure and that's a very reasonable take. End of the day, its just, I don't think you make that decision unless you know you can land one of your top 2, 3 guys.

The problem is it’s an unwinable debate on a message board.

You have no idea who is interested because no one is going to declare interest for a job that is currently not open.

Then you’ll have dismissive debates that coaches X and Y are or aren’t realistic, (although neither side really knows).

You’ll get the “we could be Nebraska” countered by “it worked for Clemson and Georgia”. That’s all great but totally irrelevant when it comes to Penn St.

The bottom line is this is a decision for Kraft based on what he knows. The best we can do here is, based on the data set from the past 10 years, should Penn St be looking for a coaching change or not?
 
You’ll get the “we could be Nebraska” countered by “it worked for Clemson and Georgia”. That’s all great but totally irrelevant when it comes to Penn St.
It isn't "irrelevant" at all. It's very relevant. Franklin is basically Richt right now. Change is needed if Franklin can't fix that. Not saying right now or even after this year but soon. Paterno honestly, as great as he was, got his wish and people don't have high enough expectations for this program.
 
The problem is it’s an unwinable debate on a message board.

You have no idea who is interested because no one is going to declare interest for a job that is currently not open.

Then you’ll have dismissive debates that coaches X and Y are or aren’t realistic, (although neither side really knows).

You’ll get the “we could be Nebraska” countered by “it worked for Clemson and Georgia”. That’s all great but totally irrelevant when it comes to Penn St.

The bottom line is this is a decision for Kraft based on what he knows. The best we can do here is, based on the data set from the past 10 years, should Penn St be looking for a coaching change or not?
Right now, I think it would be a mistake. I think there's a lot of positive momentum with the program still. If this momentum crashes and burns, then it becomes a realistic conversation. Also that buyout isn't getting too much cheaper anytime soon.
 
The problem is it’s an unwinable debate on a message board.

You have no idea who is interested because no one is going to declare interest for a job that is currently not open.

Then you’ll have dismissive debates that coaches X and Y are or aren’t realistic, (although neither side really knows).

You’ll get the “we could be Nebraska” countered by “it worked for Clemson and Georgia”. That’s all great but totally irrelevant when it comes to Penn St.

The bottom line is this is a decision for Kraft based on what he knows. The best we can do here is, based on the data set from the past 10 years, should Penn St be looking for a coaching change or not?
Wish we could keep Manny and bring back Moorhead. But when the head coach sucks its hard to rely on Coordinators to stay around and offer stability.
 
Right now, I think it would be a mistake. I think there's a lot of positive momentum with the program still. If this momentum crashes and burns, then it becomes a realistic conversation. Also that buyout isn't getting too much cheaper anytime soon.
Fair enough. It seems more like Groundhog Day to me rather than positive momentum but you can certainly make good points on both sides of the debate. The buyout comes into play as well.
 
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Because it gives you more time to think on it. Get a better play? Maybe realize you have some momentum if you get the onside kick and a second touchdown. Maybe at that point you want to play for OT?
Down 14, going for 2 in that situation is the right call. Of course you’re assuming you’ll score another TD. If you don’t score another TD, then it doesn’t matter anyway.

You’re betting that you can convert a 2pt conversion in one of two tries. By going for it after the first TD, you win the game with an XP after the next TD. If you miss the 2pt conversion, you can try again after the second TD and take it to overtime. If you fail after both TDs, you lose.

The alternative is to kick XPs, which the best case scenario is to take the game to OT and leaves you no chance to win in regulation. Or you could go for the 2pt conversion after the second TD, but then you’re putting the whole game on the outcome of just one 2pt conversion attempt.
 
I'm a PSU fan and will root for whomever is representing us on the field. Today some things were very apparent:

1) Our OC didn't have much confidence in 15. With all of the gimmick plays we actually did somehing Coach Franklin said we wouldn't do after 2 big runs by Nick...we got fancy and "ran away from success." That muffed lateral to Lambert-Smith changed our rythym 8n a bad way.

2) The DC plan wasn't terrible...but we failed to pressure McCord except for the biggest play of the game which became a 14 piint swing due to the questionable strategy of keeping 4 King 1:1 vs Harrison. Giving up 20 points isn't bad work, but the undisciplined plays and letting 18 run WIDE OPEN after the big play by Durant deep in OSU territory was backbreaking.

3) The coaches don't cause Hardy to give up 25 yards by not fielding a punt, nor 41 King to pick up a stupid Personal Foul, nor Drew to miss a wide open Johnson on an the first series....but we did make some unusual decisions that didn't pan out.

4) In the end it was a big missed opportunity. OSU was beatable, but our collective effort was not what we all hoped for. It was a very frustrating day all around, and that collective failure ends with James.

On the other hand their #8 Stover made 2 big plays, #3 pounded some yardage at critical times, and 44 beat Olu on that big 4th Qtr play. Give OSU credit.

#4 King learned a hard lesson about calling out Harrison with all due respect to Omar: "If your gonna come at the King, you best not miss." We whiffed today.


 
I'm a PSU fan and will root for whomever is representing us on the field. Today some things were very apparent:

1) Our OC didn't have much confidence in 15. With all of the gimmick plays we actually did somehing Coach Franklin said we wouldn't do after 2 big runs by Nick...we got fancy and "ran away from success." That muffed lateral to Lambert-Smith changed our rythym 8n a bad way.

2) The DC plan wasn't terrible...but we failed to pressure McCord except for the biggest play of the game which became a 14 piint swing due to the questionable strategy of keeping 4 King 1:1 vs Harrison. Giving up 20 points isn't bad work, but the undisciplined plays and letting 18 run WIDE OPEN after the big play by Durant deep in OSU territory was backbreaking.

3) The coaches don't cause Hardy to give up 25 yards by not fielding a punt, nor 41 King to pick up a stupid Personal Foul, nor Drew to miss a wide open Johnson on an the first series....but we did make some unusual decisions that didn't pan out.

4) In the end it was a big missed opportunity. OSU was beatable, but our collective effort was not what we all hoped for. It was a very frustrating day all around, and that collective failure ends with James.

On the other hand their #8 Stover made 2 big plays, #3 pounded some yardage at critical times, and 44 beat Olu on that big 4th Qtr play. Give OSU credit.

#4 King learned a hard lesson about calling out Harrison with all due respect to Omar: "If your gonna come at the King, you best not miss." We whiffed today.


I agree with everything aside from #2. I thought Diaz put together a really good game plan. I would have double Harrison more than he did but it's hard to complain much about how the defense played.

King hopefully learned a few lessons today.
 
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Kalen is vastly overrated...doesn't make anywhere the near the amount of plays as Dixon. And, KK is a projected 1st rounder? Wow. Been cooked badly by MHJR two consecutive yrs.
 
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I think James has generally done a good job building this program, but he has to start beating OSU and Michigan at least sometimes. Or you have to make a change and give someone else a chance. Otherwise, PSU turns into just another team content with perpetual good but never great.

Maybe this is the best we can do. Ranked somewhere in the 7-15 range, a news years bowl, but never contending for the playoffs.
The day he single-handily lost the Indiana game should have been the end!
 
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Mike Elko and Jeff Brohm are two guys i'm talking to if we ever do move on. Not guarantee that they do better but, like when I wanted Franklin following O'Brien's departure, they have potential to do big things here given what they've done at places where it's tough to win.
I like Whittingham too. Although I in no way want to move on from Franklin.
 
Great discussions in here, my only question really is for those who want Franklin fired. Is who do you guys actually want to hire that is realistic?

Franklin has a ton of faults and is not anything more than an average gameday head coach but you don't just fire a head coach to do so.
1. The Gorilla

2. Diaz

3. Rhule

Not in any order
 
I'm a PSU fan and will root for whomever is representing us on the field. Today some things were very apparent:

1) Our OC didn't have much confidence in 15. With all of the gimmick plays we actually did somehing Coach Franklin said we wouldn't do after 2 big runs by Nick...we got fancy and "ran away from success." That muffed lateral to Lambert-Smith changed our rythym 8n a bad way.

2) The DC plan wasn't terrible...but we failed to pressure McCord except for the biggest play of the game which became a 14 piint swing due to the questionable strategy of keeping 4 King 1:1 vs Harrison. Giving up 20 points isn't bad work, but the undisciplined plays and letting 18 run WIDE OPEN after the big play by Durant deep in OSU territory was backbreaking.

3) The coaches don't cause Hardy to give up 25 yards by not fielding a punt, nor 41 King to pick up a stupid Personal Foul, nor Drew to miss a wide open Johnson on an the first series....but we did make some unusual decisions that didn't pan out.

4) In the end it was a big missed opportunity. OSU was beatable, but our collective effort was not what we all hoped for. It was a very frustrating day all around, and that collective failure ends with James.

On the other hand their #8 Stover made 2 big plays, #3 pounded some yardage at critical times, and 44 beat Olu on that big 4th Qtr play. Give OSU credit.

#4 King learned a hard lesson about calling out Harrison with all due respect to Omar: "If your gonna come at the King, you best not miss." We whiffed today.


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Good post, but under your #3, I think Franklin gives the guys too much rope which results in undisciplined play. I think he promotes the showboating and the care free activity we see on Saturdays. Unfortunately PSU football is getting harder for me to watch because of it. The guys just have uncalled for PF penalties and make bad decisions, like fielding punts at the 5 or not fielding them at the 50. I personally think there needs more accountability, but that won't happen.
 
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