Given the contents of your posts, you might be in need of Depends (and maturation).
Free vs Folk
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Given the contents of your posts, you might be in need of Depends (and maturation).
I appreciate the arguments from you. Especially since you seem to have given up trying to convince us Greco is fun to watch.
I have grown to appreciate the positives and negatives of both Free and Folk.
Cronin’s pretty good, but Luke pressed the action and scored over and over.
Maybe the dynamics are different in freestyle but Luke just seemed a lot more conservative in his scholastic bouts against good competition (except for Ramos). I’m not sure what to make of his close matches during the season, when he has so much offense in FS.
Freestyle is a completely different style. They are not alike at all. Those that try to correlate their results will continue to be surprised.
Please explain the difference between a take down in freestyle vs folk? I know many wrestlers are better in one style vs the other but I don't see why Luke's offense can not be the same in folk.
Wrestlers going for takedowns in free need to avoid being exposed, which results in their opponents sometimes getting 4 points.
There’s also the pressure the edge creates in Free. Trent Hidlay wouldn’t be able to wrestle AB the same way in freestyle or he’d self-tech in the first minute, and Aaron would get more takedowns. ie
in free you are forced to create action as you are penalized for backing away, avoiding contact, and stepping out. Folk you can get away with all of these things - at least for awhile - based on discretion.
It's more about the other guy's defense. Scrambling is far different and shorter in free because of exposure points. Jesse Delgado would lose by tech fall within 15 sec after going for an ankle pass.
Also a lot of what folk guys do in neutral is called passivity in free. Lilledahl isn't quite as reliant on counters as say Beau, but he doea thrive on that pace.
All of these things are true but the question in regards to Luke is valid. He’s not getting in different scrambles. He just seems to finish more cleanly in free. I’m sure the edge has something to do with that. It is interesting though
And like Jefe just said the defense is very different. In free you have to bail on certain positions that you wouldn’t in folk
And like Jefe just said the defense is very different. In free you have to bail on certain positions that you wouldn’t in folk
Scary considering he took out Russia’s #1 at U20’s last year
Just one more example of why criteria is bullshit.
1). Eliminate criteria, go to SV
2). Eliminate grounded for pushouts
3). Limit Max points on any one move sequence to 6
Viola', still not my favorite but it fixes some critical flaws.
1). Eliminate criteria, go to SV
2). Eliminate grounded for pushouts
3). Limit Max points on any one move sequence to 6
Viola', still not my favorite but it fixes some critical flaws.
Nothing wrong with criteria. I would be happy eliminating grounding though. I think freestyle is the better product overall with much more action mainly because of push outs. If folk implemented that it would be much much better
We've been over criteria ad nauseum. Some people would rather have lots of matches with no shots in the last 2-3 minutes. Or at least would rather have something to complain about.
so you want a takedown match.... ankle laces don't mean much to me as far as entertaining I like TDs but also the full gambit of top/bottom
I love top/bottom. Top was probably my best position when I competed. Unfortunately we don’t get many turns or falls anymore. A lot of just riding with no attempt to turn. Obviously there are exceptions (Levi) but not many. So I would rather see 2 guys get after it on their feet which freestyle does best because of the rule set including criteria.
Good lord what in freestyle is better than folkstyle? Push outs suck, gator roll points sucks, the officiating sucks, exposure rules suck.
Probably not having to watch someone get ridden for 4 minutes. Also…disagree on push outs. I think they should somehow be incorporated into folk style so we don’t have to watch dudes wrestle the edge constantly. I also hate the leg lace 10 second victory BS In freestyle. It’s just stupid.
Push outs suck?! It’s so much better watching someone plant their ass on the edge and every attack they just step out of bounds. That’s fun to watch? Folk would be so much better if they adopted that rule. Freestyle has way more action. That’s not debatable. Criteria makes it so someone is always losing which creates tons of action especially at the end of matches. In folk with the score tied and even in OT guys are afraid of making a mistake so no real attacks happen. Lots of guys would rather go to tiebreaks and hope they can parallel ride for 1 sec longer than their opponent. Again, not fun to watch. I love wrestling in general and watch all the folk I can but that product isn’t great. Free is more exciting
Watching Will Lewan wrestle freestyle is better than folkstyle, for instance.
I agree with Petch.
I do enjoy the fact that in freestyle, the match is always exciting and in question right until the very end. A 6 point lead in folk style with 30 seconds left is basically OVER. Not in free. So yes, while I dislike the leg lace twisty rolls, it does bring a level of excitement in matches that folk can’t easily replicate.
I think folk style does generally give a better indication of who the better wrestler is. Requires more control of the other guy rather than some quick TD into a lace match-ender.
I wish the 2 styles could somehow have a baby. We could call it free folk….or Wildling style (for you GOT fans)
I think folk style does generally give a better indication of who the better wrestler is. Requires more control of the other guy rather than some quick TD into a lace match-ender.
I wish the 2 styles could somehow have a baby. We could call it free folk….or Wildling style (for you GOT fans)
Criteria is overtime. It just happens during regulation.
With what folk has turned into the last few years, freestyle is more exciting than folk. Refs not calling stalling has led to one-takedown, boring, defensive matches. Kind of like basketball: might as well fast forward to the 6:30 mark.
Push outs are great, and cause great action on the edges.
Officiating in folk is horrible with not calling more stalls.
At least with gator rolls and exposure, someone's going to their back, which has been lost in folk.
Not at all. Like I said previously in OT in folk both guys play it safe not wanting to make a mistake. With criteria one person is winning so the other actually comes after them. Not what happens at all in folk
Pretty low bar there ... self-dentistry is better than watching Lewan wrestle folkstyle.
I like criteria way more than 30 second rideouts deciding matches.
I prob prefer step outs to some of the ridiculous stall calls I’ve seen at the edge of the mat in folk. But I don’t like the idea of pushing someone out for a point. That’s sumo wrestling.
I prob prefer step outs to some of the ridiculous stall calls I’ve seen at the edge of the mat in folk. But I don’t like the idea of pushing someone out for a point. That’s sumo wrestling.
Agree. Wish they called straight pushes more in free.
That said what Gilman and AB do on their feet is pretty much the definition of control, and thus seems to me that a step out could thrive in folk. And the pressure they are able to create on the edge sets up takedowns beautifully.
I’ve probably said it earlier in this thread, but to me the challenge in adding it is that you would “Have” to add continuation scoring, and I dunno if there is a safe way to do so in many gyms. And not sure about shrinking the mat—especially for top/bottom.
Wholly agreed on the stallout periods.
Most of these guys have been wrestling freestyle since elementary/middle school. If they can't figure out how to keep themselves inbounds in folk after 10+ years of doing so in free, then that's on them.
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