The reason for specific stalling calls existing is precisely because stall calls are so inconsistent.
We're years beyond needing specific rules for stalling calls.
Rule change wishlist for 2025/6
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We're years beyond needing specific rules for stalling calls.
I'm still baffled how grabbing the ankle from the top position in a clear pinning combination while riding above the waist is "stalling"??? I thought the 5 count was only supposed to start if the ankle or leg was the primary point of control and your ride (i.e., "riding below the waist"). I still don't understand how reaching for, grabbing and using the ankle to control the leg as part of a pinning combination to turn the bottom wrestler while working above the waist (as you do in a Can-Opener, Bow-&-Arrow and even a Peterson) is anywhere remotely close to "stalling"??? Since when is trying to turn the bottom wrestler with a clear pinning combination "stalling" - it's the diametric opposite of stalling from the top position.
Either way it's not happening. These refs can't decide if someone is backing out or there is action consistently. How are they going to rule on a knee touching the mat when in neutral consistently? If they do a count the wrestler will just raise his knee and put it back down. If they don't do a count then every time someone changes levels and their knee touches the mat, is that stalling?
More rules would be terrible..
Less rules more consistency with the rules we have.
Less rules more consistency with the rules we have.
Reaction time, not a 5 count. If you just touch a knee down and get right back up, OK, that happens. If you go to a knee and stay there, even for a second or two, without getting up, stalling. If you try to avoid the call by going to down and getting up repeatedly like you're doing jumping jacks or something, not only do you look like an idiot, that's clearly just regular stalling.
Guys have been wrestling on a knee forever. Why do we need a rule now? Has wrestling on a knee become a huge problem in college wrestling?
It's always been a pet peeve because it's stalling.
There are 2 different issues here.
Agree with the one you describe, but that's driven by action.
The guy who deliberately drops to a knee when out of range ... there is no action, no reaction time needed.
And some people would love it if a guy wrestled from his knees. Have talked to many people who know wrestling and they said it's so easy to get a guy underneath you and get a front headlock when they're on a knee.
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Maybe because they're on a knee out of range.
Don't be so dense. You're smarter than this.
Funny how nobody has managed to do that to either Ferrari, or to the Mason Beckmans of the past ... when it's so easy.
Maybe because they're on a knee out of range.
Don't be so dense. You're smarter than this.
The refs now can't even consistently start the 3 count for neutral danger, decide what is action vs backing out and some don't even start the count when the top guy grabs the ankle. Adding more rules that won't be consistent just creates more problems. IMO
We're getting ahead of the curve. ;-)
Both Anthony and Drake do it often. With their success, maybe it will catch on and spread across the team as part of the new 'Iowa style'.
Three years from now, it might really become a thing.
Of course. It would take away one of Iowa's best stalling techniques, so why would you want to see that?
They just call potentially dangerous instead.
Need video of this claim. Love to see it done.
I agree but it really isn't that complicated if you think about it. There's a crystal clear difference when a wrestler drops to a knee during action and when someone is wrestling off their knees. I just wish refs would rely more on what they are seeing and less on what coaches and fans are yelling. If I'm reffing a match and someone is on their knees and not moving forward to engage I call stalling end of ****ing story or at least warn them that they need to start wrestling
Well that absolutely isn't true as the Ferrari vs Plott match proves. You go wading in on someone like that looking for a head-tie they'll go after your legs as you reach for the tie just as Ferrari did multiple times to Plott including the match deciding takedown in SV1.
That also comes with penalizing guys who don't wrestle every scheduled match. I understand injuries happen and sometimes guys are forced to sit. However, by "penalizing" guys who don't toe the line, it forces coaches to try to field their post season lineup sooner, as well as discourage protecting seeds.
Agreed. I'm all for any incentives that reward guys for competing more.
We’d definitely see fewer tech falls, but hopefully more pins and back points. Don’t know if it would work or not, but I think most wrestling fans would like to see more of both. Back points get fans fired up. On the other hand it might just mean more 7 minute lopsided matches.
This might be impossible, but could a wrestler initiating the takedown be awarded 3 and the wrestler reacting to the shot but getting the takedown get 2? Could the 2nd ref be the judge for that?
In theory Inlike what you’re thinking. In practice, it sounds like a great way for us fans to have even more to kvetch about.
Tan Tom would run out of challenge bricks in the first minute of the first match.
It’s interesting reading the different perspectives on the knee thing. AF wrestling from his knee bothered me less than backing to the edge to do it. Going off memory, I thought Carter had multiple attacks where he just didn’t have the space to work for the takedown.
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I don't think they should change the rules. This isn't new but Angelo and AJ does it well.
But they were willing to change neutral danger because of Dean Heil alone basically so wouldn't rule it out if enough coaches complain.
But they were willing to change neutral danger because of Dean Heil alone basically so wouldn't rule it out if enough coaches complain.
Plott walked towards Ferrari almost straight up. (dumb move) If he had lowered his center and approached him with his hands out to block, I think he could have tied up Ferrari in a front headlock.
Plott was the #3 ranked wrestler at 184 (and a returning Finalist from last year's NCAAs), so i think he's a marginally decent wrestler LMAO and apparently it isn't quite as "easy" as the OP suggested.
Agree on point 1.
Pt 2. I would add a second circle 5ish’ beyond the current outer circle. The current out of bounds is still used but if a wrestler crosses the second out of bounds, the he gives up a point. That would force a defending wrestler to continue to wrestle when he’s at the bdy or out of bounds. Getting pushed out of the second circle does not result in pts. I think mats may have to be extended a bit. I wouldn’t apply it to the 285 as those guys may be too big to avoid crossing the outer line.
3. An overtime win cannot result in bonus points. In a duel if a wrestler pins his opponent in OT, it’s still just 3 team points. If you want bonus points, win big in regulation.
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