yea, and a major go to 10... 2 td's and ride out shouldn't be a major
Rule change wishlist for 2025/6
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I would like to see the ncaa, seeding committee, whoever is in charge, make the regular season mean more. Put more emphasis on quality wins, both individual and tournament. If you don't toe the line against a conference opponent, you should have to far and away have a better overall body of work come conference tournament time to be seeded ahead. Maybe that means a "lesser" opponent that we all know shouldn't be seeded ahead, actually gets the nod. Same with the national tournament. Reward teams for scheduling tough out of conference teams.
I'm not sure what the solution is, above is just an umbrella thought. But when you have high school kids wrestling over 50 matches by the seasons end, and some college kids not even hitting half of that, I think there should be a compromise. College athletes have state of the art facilities, trainers, etc at their disposal for injuries, bumps, bruises, etc. I see a lot of talk about trying to grow/promote our sport. If you want to grow, advertise your product as much as possible.
I'm not sure what the solution is, above is just an umbrella thought. But when you have high school kids wrestling over 50 matches by the seasons end, and some college kids not even hitting half of that, I think there should be a compromise. College athletes have state of the art facilities, trainers, etc at their disposal for injuries, bumps, bruises, etc. I see a lot of talk about trying to grow/promote our sport. If you want to grow, advertise your product as much as possible.
During sectionals thru states my son would workout with the CD kids. His round Robin was Pepplman and Courts. He would say that Kenny was a lazy practice partner but was so good he could turn it on at will.
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There's a decent emphasis on quality wins now. Seeding criteria are: 25% H2H, 20% Quality Wins, 15% Coaches Rank, 10% Conference Finish, 10% Common Opponents, 10% Win %, and 10% RPI.
So 30% (Quality Wins + RPI) are directly tied to beating good opponents. And another 35% (H2H + Common Opponents) are also tied to beating good opponents, as applicable.
I agree that this could be strengthened. Not that they'll listen to me, but what I would do is:
- Eliminate Coaches Rank, Conference Finish, and Win % -- save 35%.
- Reallocate these into H2H and Quality Wins so that H2H still counts more than the QW splits; maybe reallocate a little into RPI.
This would add incentive for both number of matches and quality of opponent.
That said, I'm not sure this would have a huge effect on NCAA seeding. Some, just not sure it would be significant.
Personally, I don't like the grabbing the ankle count when a wrestler is riding above the waist. I've seen several matches where a top wrestler has a leg in and a cross-body ride (i.e., across the bottom wrestler's back above the waist) and as soon as the top wrestler touched the far ankle, the Ref started counting. That's ridiculous imho as there is a breakdown pinning combination from that position (Can-Opener) - there should be no count for a wrestler riding above the waist and touching the ankle (I've seen them start the count when a top-wrestler has bottom-wrestler's leg turked and is going for Bow-&-Arrow!).
The count was meant for riding the ankle - not attempting to control the leg in a pinning combination! It's silly to call stalling when a top wrestler is attempting to enter into a clear pinning combination.
FYI they changed coaches rank to 10 points and conference placement to 15 .
Thanks for the heads up.
Though, this being the NCAA, they have the old category splits on p. 11 of the pitch. Go figure.
Regardless, those are still 2 stupid categories for seeding, that should've been eliminated instead of shuffled.
I think there should be a rule change that says, in the event that the NCAA tournament is cancelled, (i.e. 2020) the team title should be awarded by default to the team who won the title in the previous year. This rule could be made to be retroactive so that Penn State will now have 12 NCAA team titles under Cael rather than 11.
Since Penn State probably wins that title it seems OK to me.
How about a simple multiplier worked at the end of the season to the current weighting system.
Participation % = Take the number of events and duals (total matches attended/total matches scheduled). Put a floor on the multiplier at say 65%.
At least this would penalize ducking despite other quality wins, winning percentage and other factors.
You get injured no matter who you are, tough luck, you get dinged, big time potentially. You don't have a clear starter identified for 1/2 the season, there too the consequences are there as well. Nothing is perfect but if you schedule 20 matches and participate in all you get a perfect 100% (1) multiplier.
Participation % = Take the number of events and duals (total matches attended/total matches scheduled). Put a floor on the multiplier at say 65%.
At least this would penalize ducking despite other quality wins, winning percentage and other factors.
You get injured no matter who you are, tough luck, you get dinged, big time potentially. You don't have a clear starter identified for 1/2 the season, there too the consequences are there as well. Nothing is perfect but if you schedule 20 matches and participate in all you get a perfect 100% (1) multiplier.
For PA HS guys, Mutarelli will wrestle from a knee sometimes but not to the extent I would ever consider it stalling. Both Bachmann's obviously and others I am forgetting right now.
This video shows how it can be an offensive strategy for guys and IMO not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be.
They duck Penn State and enter the Jabroni Open, their multiplier is still below 1.
I'm surprised you guys want a rule change for being on a knee. I've read on this board for years that Cael and company will always figure out a way to counter what the opponent does, i.e. RBY keeping his arm behind him. No need to change the rule when you have the greatest coaches to make the adjustments. Right?
Maybe. From a different thought, might result in the development of a Zain level bow & arrow.
That would be fun for everybody. Machine gun pace on takedowns, then add the brutality of a nasty bow and arrow.
You haven't seen me clamoring for a rule change. I figure they already know how they are going to address it, and TnT's counter will be you just have to do what you do better. It's all a state of mind.
My rule changes are ban the bow and arrow, (Jacob Warner asked me to request this since this board gets things done) start the 5 count for the top position guy if he holds the ankle of the bottom position guy with his hand (as the rule is now) or with his thighs or ankles clasped, and any ref who calls stalling on the bottom guy when the top guy has double boots in must stop the match and the ref is put in that position and we evaluate whether he can do anything to create action from that position.
I love when our resident Hawkeye fan chimes in.
Oh, that's right ... you're just a fan of wrestling.
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