Very true. I think we could put together a better seeding committee consisting of @RoarLions1, @jmadden1998, umm...who else? @SetonHallPirate? @smalls103? @andegre?
NCAA seeds discussions (brackets out @8 pm)
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@jmadden1998 would insist on using the matrix to jack us PSU fans around. This week is his favorite of the year. It all goes to shit for him next week.Very true. I think we could put together a better seeding committee consisting of @RoarLions1, @jmadden1998, umm...who else? @SetonHallPirate? @smalls103? @andegre?
Hand it 100% to Willie.Very true. I think we could put together a better seeding committee consisting of @RoarLions1, @jmadden1998, umm...who else? @SetonHallPirate? @smalls103? @andegre?
Then we just need to clone Willie so
Your last point is the bottom line reason we should lean as seldom as possible on "common sense".
Common sense gives people license to just not wrestle. While it may help get people to their realistic place like Gable, it can also have people arguing for folks like Teemer to get seeded much higher than they should be. Teemer is still in single digit wins, and his best win is? Askey? Askey also beat him. But he's a returning finalist!
Personally I prefer a 100% objective criteria agreed upon before the season begins. The Matrix, Wrestlestat, something else. Just please make it one that rewards more wrestling and not less.
Agreed.
The arguments for Teemer amount to, oh, well, he was a returning finalist. That's nice. What about THIS year?
It's very similar to the ludicrous grounds used in college football (instead of just using an algorithm to pick the best 8 teams and go from there). I'm in favor of keeping college wrestling as little like the good old boys club as possible.
@jmadden1998 would insist on using the matrix to jack us PSU fans around. This week is his favorite of the year. It all goes to shit for him next week.
Peaking is a state of mind.@jmadden1998 would insist on using the matrix to jack us PSU fans around. This week is his favorite of the year. It all goes to shit for him next week.
Seed all Lions #32 and step aside as we 3-peat a 4-peat.
Still stings how 3 Keystone Kids (one a Lord) kept this from being 9 straight. That said, after soon devouring 12 of 14 titles, leaving but one crumb each for Tom-Tom, I ain’t complaining. In fact, I’m about to bust for these brackets tonight and whatever landmines and dark alleys our guys get.
Still stings how 3 Keystone Kids (one a Lord) kept this from being 9 straight. That said, after soon devouring 12 of 14 titles, leaving but one crumb each for Tom-Tom, I ain’t complaining. In fact, I’m about to bust for these brackets tonight and whatever landmines and dark alleys our guys get.
Correct me if I'm wrong @jmadden1998 @El-Jefe but I believe the committee runs the matrix on the field like Nomad lists, but uses the listing to separate them into pods where they again run a "round-robin" using the matrix. This can lead to a different seeding than just the 1-32 list, depending on the size and makeup of the pod. And the demarcation of the pods is up to the committee - which is subjective.
E.g they can choose to group Lilledahl, Ramos and Ventresca together and re-run the numbers or they can choose to run Lilledahl, Ramos, Ventresca and Robinson together and re-run the numbers. This specific example might not work, but there are scenarios where different demarcations result in different orders.
Then they also have the up/down 3 spots at their disposal.
So, the analysis we see from guys like the creeper can give you a sense of where things are heading but really are just a guess like everyone else.
E.g they can choose to group Lilledahl, Ramos and Ventresca together and re-run the numbers or they can choose to run Lilledahl, Ramos, Ventresca and Robinson together and re-run the numbers. This specific example might not work, but there are scenarios where different demarcations result in different orders.
Then they also have the up/down 3 spots at their disposal.
So, the analysis we see from guys like the creeper can give you a sense of where things are heading but really are just a guess like everyone else.
The brackets coming out and Thursday morning are typically the high points of the tournament for me. Thursday night the tide turns with a couple Hawkeye's getting upset and then the quarterfinals on Friday lead me to drinking. Saturday morning, as I sit hungover, I watch the last shred of any positivity get ripped away as the placement matches always seem to end with a loss. Best time of the year!!!
I've never heard of that, but it doesn't mean you're wrong.
Also, like for "the creeper."
If we are being honest, we could give it to Smalls and he'd bang it out over a sixer of Bud Heavies between Midnight and 4 AM Wednesday morning. It would be better than whatever they produce.Very true. I think we could put together a better seeding committee consisting of @RoarLions1, @jmadden1998, umm...who else? @SetonHallPirate? @smalls103? @andegre?
This x1,000,000.
You want more ducking? Change seedings based on feelings. This is the downside of Cael's "less is more" approach to scheduling competition.
We celebrate right along side you brother!
I'm wondering if the coaches themselves actually put together a rankings list and submit it to the committee. I would bet coaches are typically far too busy to be bothered with this task, and it's almost certainly handed off to an intern, volunteer assistant, or team manager. @smalls103, any insight here?
Downside for who? Cael's approach won't change no matter how the NCAA wants to seed the tournament. I doubt he ever thinks about seeding when he sets a kid out. Matter of fact, I don't think it would break his heart much seeing some other teams high seed meeting his own wrestler a round before they really should be seeing him.
Yes, but there are ~79 other teams who will care on some level if they know, in black and white, that not wrestling guys will in no uncertain terms impact seedings.Downside for who? Cael's approach won't change no matter how the NCAA wants to seed the tournament. I doubt he ever thinks about seeding when he sets a kid out. Matter of fact, I don't think it would break his heart much seeing some other teams high seed meeting his own wrestler a round before they really should be seeing him.
Just look at how the change fairly recently has impacted guys MFF out of conferences. It matters to most.
I tend to look at things strictly through the lens of a PSU fan. Lol.
If Cael doesn't care, then Penn St fans shouldn't care.Downside for who? Cael's approach won't change no matter how the NCAA wants to seed the tournament. I doubt he ever thinks about seeding when he sets a kid out. Matter of fact, I don't think it would break his heart much seeing some other teams high seed meeting his own wrestler a round before they really should be seeing him.
You're right, I shouldn't. Along those lines, what do you think about me wishing the wrestling Gods could pair Iowa vs. PSU in every 1st round match?
By Saturday night we generally don't care.
Haha! You can wish in one hand and...you know the rest.
It would allow @jmadden1998 to get to the drinking much earlier so a bonus in your proposal.
I genuinely believe Willie would do a better job than any committee. He might have a few small misses, Bartlett at 1 or 2 is not some huge grievance, but he wouldn’t do something stupid like putting three national champions on the same side of a bracket because a guy got injured.
Can you imagine how insufferable Manning would be if Willie was the sole arbiter of seeding?
Let's not get crazy..I think most here don't give a shit where we seeded within reason. When you have the 2 clear best guys in the same conference (Gable/Kerk), you want common sense to prevail. Owan Trephan couldnt even beat out Trumble for the spot and you're going to seed him ahead of Kerk because of matrix?
It's at least a little interesting that of the "subjective" criteria, four categories are clearly objective, two ("Bad losses" and "Best quality win") are a mix inasmuch as there's some subjectivity but most would agree on the answer), and only "Performance in the last five matches" clearly subjective.
It's poorly worded but clearly rules constraining subjective adjustments to the seeds.
Which is obviously needed in some form, can't give the committee carte blanche.
It's possible in wrestling. Coaches are assigned to rank a weight. No coach ranks the entire field.
That said, delegation would be unsurprising.
No wonder you lost Jax for us. Didn't know the OKST perspective well enough.
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