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I have a feeling the academic administrative side is loaded up like that everywhere. I wonder how covid will affect them. I don't think colleges will be going back to the way things were anytime soon, if ever.10 athletic directors, deputy athletic directors, senior athletic directors, or assistant athletic directors: https://gobulldogs.com/staff-directory
Now 18 sports.
Wasn't a issue they had 21 programs and are now at 18 .But I'm with you it's gonna happen way more then we think.They estimated budgets around $600,000 a year when they brought the program back in 2018 and they spent $1.12 million in 2019.And the stripper situation with the recruit didn't help
The modern (post-90’s) College/University model is severely exposed by this pandemic. MOC’s never became the threat because Universities used their political and media muscle to tout the quality of on-campus classes. Unfortunately for college leaders and their bloated cadre of administrators the value proposition surrounding a campus experience just doesn't hold up. Hundreds of thousands of students are learning that a reasonable level of legitimate learning can take place on-line. Affluent families can still send junior off to 4-5 years of college bliss, but, they will not gain academic superiority over those who learn from home. During the course of a single generation, this will crush places like PSU, OSU, and other non exclusive public universities. Along with all the other trash being hauled off to the slag heap will be college athletics. The “Ivy League model” may remain, but, folks like us are going to have to help create new venues and mechanisms for our great sport.I have a feeling the academic administrative side is loaded up like that everywhere. I wonder how covid will affect them. I don't think colleges will be going back to the way things were anytime soon, if ever.
With the declining birth rate and people waking up to the student loan scam, colleges were already facing a challenging future. Throw-in Covid and look out. I believe a NYU economist is predicting that 40% of the nation's colleges will fail in the next 10 to 15 years. Which explains why the B1G schools originally cancelled fall sports (citing safety concerns) and still allowed students on campus. The schools refuse to admit they need the many tens of millions of dollars being paid in room and board fees.The modern (post-90’s) College/University model is severely exposed by this pandemic. MOC’s never became the threat because Universities used their political and media muscle to tout the quality of on-campus classes. Unfortunately for college leaders and their bloated cadre of administrators the value proposition surrounding a campus experience just doesn't hold up. Hundreds of thousands of students are learning that a reasonable level of legitimate learning can take place on-line. Affluent families can still send junior off to 4-5 years of college bliss, but, they will not gain academic superiority over those who learn from home. During the course of a single generation, this will crush places like PSU, OSU, and other non exclusive public universities. Along with all the other trash being hauled off to the slag heap will be college athletics. The “Ivy League model” may remain, but, folks like us are going to have to help create new venues and mechanisms for our great sport.
I live in Lewisburg, and Bucknell, beginning about five years ago, severely limited the number of students allowed to live off campus. I think the number is 100 male and 100 female students, compared to 500 prior to that. Can you imagine the devastation to SC if PSU did that, which is a possibility, if they aren't filling up the dorms.With the declining birth rate and people waking up to the student loan scam, colleges were already facing a challenging future. Throw-in Covid and look out. I believe a NYU economist is predicting that 40% of the nation's colleges will fail in the next 10 to 15 years. Which explains why the B1G schools originally cancelled fall sports (citing safety concerns) and still allowed students on campus. The schools refuse to admit they need the many tens of millions of dollars being paid in room and board fees.
And would it make sense to allow remaining D1 teams to go two-deep at each weight? Or would that not be worth it because it would kill remaining teams even more quickly?If D1 goes down to only a handful of teams, then where would wrestlers go to wrestle? What has happened in other sports? Did club leagues arise, or did kids just mostly quit the sport?
My daughter is a senior in high school, we have done some college visits this fall. One school school required students to live on campus for 3 years, another to live on campus for 2 years. For the kids who have to get student loans, this is a big deal, you can cut your R&B expenses in half living off campus.I live in Lewisburg, and Bucknell, beginning about five years ago, severely limited the number of students allowed to live off campus. I think the number is 100 male and 100 female students, compared to 500 prior to that. Can you imagine the devastation to SC if PSU did that, which is a possibility, if they aren't filling up the dorms.
Yeah but you get what you pay for and one trip to the on campus dining hall you know where that extra money went.My daughter is a senior in high school, we have done some college visits this fall. One school school required students to live on campus for 3 years, another to live on campus for 2 years. For the kids who have to get student loans, this is a big deal, you can cut your R&B expenses in half living off campus.
I will bet that in five years, none of those schools will be closed, none of the assets sold, and administrative and educational salaries will suffer minimal cuts, while the bleeding continues.On 10/15 PSSHE voted to continue the process of integrating Lock Haven, Bloomsburg and Mansfield into one educational unit in north central PA and Clarion, Edinboro and California into another unit in the west. This process is being driven by steep declines in enrollment and red ink due to the loss of tuition dollars. The result of the integration will likely be some sort of confederation focusing on cost cutting, program deletion and the consolidation of administrative functions as a way to save the affected institutions. Where athletics, particularly wrestling, fits into this picture is yet to be determined.
I agree, they will just continue with the raising tuition and fees path. As long as student loans are given out like candy and not dischargeable in bankruptcy, colleges will not take any meaningful changes to address rising costs.I will bet that in five years, none of those schools will be closed, none of the assets sold, and administrative and educational salaries will suffer minimal cuts, while the bleeding continues.
That's a safe bet, especially considering that the "consolidation" plan amounts to specializing each school in certain areas. Which is not necessarily a bad plan, but calling it "consolidation" is a twist on words.I will bet that in five years, none of those schools will be closed, none of the assets sold, and administrative and educational salaries will suffer minimal cuts, while the bleeding continues.
I will bet that in five years, none of those schools will be closed, none of the assets sold, and administrative and educational salaries will suffer minimal cuts, while the bleeding continues.
Well, California. Regulate it until it stops, and then subsidize it.Unfortunately, more administration will probably be added. And yes, @El-Jefe , the Cal State and Cal schools are ridiculously bloated at the admin level across the board. Secondary and Elementary schools are almost as bad.
I'm all about safety these days, including my bets. I considered that discussions about consolidation of those schools and their financial woes, has been going on for <at least> seven or eight years, ten?, fifteen?. Promises to "look into" cost-cutting measures have been empty. Let's face it: that crowd isn't playing with their own money.That's a safe bet, especially considering that the "consolidation" plan amounts to specializing each school in certain areas. Which is not necessarily a bad plan, but calling it "consolidation" is a twist on words.
If D1 goes down to only a handful of teams, then where would wrestlers go to wrestle? What has happened in other sports? Did club leagues arise, or did kids just mostly quit the sport?
You know things are REALLY bad when everyone here agrees with Foley AND Tan Tom.
If D1 goes down to only a handful of teams, then where would wrestlers go to wrestle? What has happened in other sports? Did club leagues arise, or did kids just mostly quit the sport?
It seems to me that Cael is already pointing towards some sort of RTC league. With USOC and private donations it might work. Unfortunately, the RTC approach squeezes out all the non-elite wrestlers who form the foundation for our sport. To work, an RTC league would have to provide various age tiers and help fund feeder clubs that could in turn have their own competitive networks. Continuing to tie wrestling to academic institutions may not be sustainable.If D1 goes down to only a handful of teams, then where would wrestlers go to wrestle? What has happened in other sports? Did club leagues arise, or did kids just mostly quit the sport?