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From my local paper- Rivers says he had no relationship with Franklin

He has issues he needs to work on and the free board posters tend to be the most in tune with the HC and his faults. I mean the recruit who told all of the other PSU recruits Saturday night he was all PSU to only bail the next day (knowing he was gone) is the best source of information. No coach is perfect and they all have things to work on, but this load of crap was said by a young kid doing a CYA because he is too embarrassed by his own behavior. He just now figured out that Franklin was somehow ignoring him...yeah...that must be it. LOL
 
Rivers told the other guys he was sticking around, and then he bailed the next day? Jesus. I'm glad the kid is gone, if that's the case.

I have to ask, though. Did the staff realize they were dealing with a fool?
 
This is my first post EVER about any commit or de-commit, but when he took the parting shot at CJF, I felt the need to speak.

Some kids get bad advice -- from their parents, from their high school coach. It's like this: high school romances often don't last. Anybody who has been to college knows that. His parents/teachers/coaches should know that. No. 2 -- chances are, your high school friendships aren't often your lifetime friendships. Anybody over 40 ought to know that. No. 3 -- there's such a thing as doing the right thing. Committing to a school as a high school junior and then throwing it over two weeks before signing day is not doing the right thing. No. 4 -- the shot at Franklin is just something that didn't need to be said; sounded a little bit defensive to me. And while we're at it, let's stop making excuses about the behavior of kids in their late teens; they're old enough to know better.

No. 5 -- I believe in karma.
The HS coach is the one who flipped Wimbush to ND.
 
I believe last year we had a DT (I think Dumphfor) change his commitment late in the game to Michigan to "carry bags" for his friend Gary. So it happens.
 
Work on relationships with kids that were recruited by the guy before him.
Team chemistry looked good, I thought. This is always going to be something of an issue with any coaching change- especially with parents who relied on what a departed coach told them.
 
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There was no need for this kid to take a parting shot at Franklin to justify that he cant keep his word. Kid needs to learn how to show some class and grow up. Cant say I will wish him well after he threw Franklin under the bus. Good riddance.
 
Kid wants to stay home and play for the local school, but feels the need to publicly justify his decision in order to make the local school/fans/players feel superior. Reporter could have left the quote out, but he/she serves a different master. I get it. Not classy, but I get it.
 
I was asked a question and I posed an answer. Take it as you wish.

I don't have an issue with what you shared. I just wanted to add my perspective both from many years as a coach and then supervising a program where I had well over 4 dozen coaches from junior high, jv and varsity to deal with. I truly wish I had documented every incident.....it would have made a great book, though most folks would consider it fiction.
Though I am retired from my district after 38 years, I now work scheduling,consulting and advising 18 school districts. The issues are getting worse. I feel sorry for young coaches and ADs in public schools.
 
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There was no need for this kid to take a parting shot at Franklin to justify that he cant keep his word. Kid needs to learn how to show some class and grow up. Cant say I will wish him well after he threw Franklin under the bus. Good riddance.

maybe...but just as likely that people are over reacting and the kid had no idea what he was saying (to a press that would take it out of context and blow it out of proportion). He's a kid that changed his mind, BFD. It happens every day. This is no different than everyone reading into Hackenberg omitting CJF from his "thank you" speech. It was a flash of time, maybe just a mistake. he since corrected himself, has been a big supporter of PSU's and there are tons of photos of him and CJF hugging...yet, people believe what they want to believe.

Just let it go. Nobody will care come Groundhog Day.
 
maybe...but just as likely that people are over reacting and the kid had no idea what he was saying (to a press that would take it out of context and blow it out of proportion). He's a kid that changed his mind, BFD. It happens every day. This is no different than everyone reading into Hackenberg omitting CJF from his "thank you" speech. It was a flash of time, maybe just a mistake. he since corrected himself, has been a big supporter of PSU's and there are tons of photos of him and CJF hugging...yet, people believe what they want to believe.

Just let it go. Nobody will care come Groundhog Day.

Really? The sky isn't falling? LOL. When Rivers used his relationship with VT HC.....the follow up question was probably inevitable. I think we tend to be a bit too sensitive. Some people are decisive. My late wife was very indecisive and it drove me to drink. Probably because she screwed up the biggest decision of her life.A young man who has so many options and people to please, is in a no win position. The answer may be to recruit kids no one else wants..........because this is the inevitable when you go after the 4**** and 5***** recruits. Franklin has been doing this for a long time. He will win enough to keep quality on the field.
 
Kid wants to stay home and play for the local school, but feels the need to publicly justify his decision in order to make the local school/fans/players feel superior. Reporter could have left the quote out, but he/she serves a different master. I get it. Not classy, but I get it.

Blacksburg is no more local than State College from his hometown.
 
Screw him, he can tear a knee for all I care. Changing his mind is one thing, acting like a douche bag is another.
 
Blacksburg is no more local than State College from his hometown.
I think it came down to his girlfriend. He isn't going to admit that and I don't blame him. She certainly does not deserve the scrutiny.....in any case we need to move on this is over.
 
From the same paper:

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Dylan "Sewage" Rivers needs to stop trying to convince himself he did the right thing. No you broke a commitment and your parents are just as bad coming up to HV this weekend to deliver the news in person. Kid just has no class.

Wow, it never occurred to me that the parents where there this weekend also. So all are pretty much culpable. Too bad the parents didn't teach the kid some loyalty, respect and commitment as he grew up. I don't say this to rip the kid, but this really stinks.
 
The kid did not need to go there. Pretty immature. I'm certainly not one to bash kids, but the timing is bad too. Oh well, it goes with the territory.

That being said, I'm also sure that not all 85 players have the same relationship with a coach. Same goes for recruits. But knowing how Franklin is, I find it very hard to believe that he is not all up int all of them.
 
I don't care that he left.
I don't care that his high school coach preferred he attend the in-state university. That's a different deal than what happened with Wimbush.
I don't even care about the girlfriend, dumb reason as that is.

I do care about committing years ago, and then decommitting 2 weeks before LOI day, particularly when it's clear from this article that the decision was made a long time ago. It's wrong, and I don't care how young he is, it's still wrong. His parents at the very least should have pushed him to do the right thing.

As I said in another post, if this is the way he acts and the way his parents also act, then PSU will do fine without him.

I agree but don't know what kind of parents he has. I've got a friend who had a son who was a pretty good S in HS and was getting recruited in TX. Guy is a very smart and sophisticated guy but he was very confused. He was getting hit up by "handlers" who would make video highlights and said they had connections with coaches. They wanted to charge, like, $20,000 to make the video and send it out. There were several of them. Then, he had coaches saying all kinds of stuff. He had preferred walk-on offers from most of the big programs and opted to play for a lower division school with full 'ship. He dropped football after his freshmen year because there was nothing to be gained and decided to focus on school work.

Point is, it isn't easy any longer. Coaches will tell you anything and you've got a lot of "advisors". HS coach probably figured he had a better chance of moving into college coaching if his star went to VT than PSU. Its just the game that's played. And parents have no help or experience. The kid is a kid and does dumb things (not understanding life). It is what it is.
 
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If his parents really are blind to the realities of big-time recruiting, it's possible that they had no idea what was going on, but that seems very unlikely to me. On the surface it looks to me like the entire family willingly played us. There was no good reason to string this out as long as they did, that I can see.

VT's recruitment of him was very easy. I'm sure he was on campus getting laid by the girlfriend as much as he could. That gave them very easy, frequent access. And now, the girlfriend is probably a folk hero on campus as well.
 
If his parents really are blind to the realities of big-time recruiting, it's possible that they had no idea what was going on, but that seems very unlikely to me. On the surface it looks to me like the entire family willingly played us. There was no good reason to string this out as long as they did, that I can see.

VT's recruitment of him was very easy. I'm sure he was on campus getting laid by the girlfriend as much as he could. That gave them very easy, frequent access. And now, the girlfriend is probably a folk hero on campus as well.
yep...but its all part of the gig. Can you imagine being a HC making $6m a year and going into the homes of some of these kids and begging them to go to your school. I'll bet many of these coaches go take long, hot showers the day after LOI day.
 
yep...but its all part of the gig. Can you imagine being a HC making $6m a year and going into the homes of some of these kids and begging them to go to your school. I'll bet many of these coaches go take long, hot showers the day after LOI day.

Eh, I'd never do it. O'Brien clearly hated it, as well. I'd never be able to stomach it.
 
VA Tech coach was asking Rivers to "send him pictures of him on a snowboard." That's a little creepy.
 
Well said. I also care that he bad-mouthed Franklin. Assuming that he did not have a good relationship with Franklin compared to fuentes, there was no reason for him to say what he said. It was said above that he may have felt a need to publicly state that he chose virginia tech for more than his girlfriend. Fine. All he had to say was that he developed a good relationship with fuentes and the other coaches and felt that virginia tech was a better fit ( :eek: ). He didn't need to criticize Franklin in the process.

Some people are willing to excuse these kids because they are kids, but it is common sense even for an 18-year-old that you don't attack another coach in the media.

He knows he looks like an ass and is screwing up, so he is just trying to deflect the blame. That's it.
 
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