From my local paper- Rivers says he had no relationship with Franklin
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Well lets use common sense, i'm online on a Penn State board talking about Penn State... so can you figure it out?
True story - a friend of mine was a 4 year starter at PSU in the 80's and has nothing but wonderful things to say about JVP, the way he ran the program, how he treated the players, etc... He also says JVP never spoke one word to him for his first three years in the program. Not a word. In fall camp of his senior year Joe pulled him aside and told him he was doing a great job in the classroom, keep it up.
This kid was not bothered in the least. He didn't need to be coddled. With 100+ kids in the program, plus possibly 100 kids PSU is currently recruiting, it seems logical the head coach may not have a personal relationship with every one of them.
Why would he follow his godfather (gf) to Virginia Tech? Seems quite silly actually. ;-)
Well.......
There were 2 four-year starters in the 1980s:
Tony Sacca (who was 80-90s)
And
Shane Conlan
IIRC
Sacca - I'm sure Joe had LOTS of words with Sacca.
. Or Sacker, as JVP would sayConlan? I doubt if ANYONE wanted to talk to him much....and I doubt he would have cared
Well.......
There were 2 four-year starters in the 1980s:
Tony Sacca (who was 80-90s)
And
Shane Conlan
IIRC
Sacca - I'm sure Joe had LOTS of words with Sacca.
Conlan? I doubt if ANYONE wanted to talk to him much....and I doubt he would have cared
Was D.J. Dozier a 4 year starter? What about Steve Wiz? I know he started as a sophomore but can't remember if he started as a freshman.
Well, I guess when we live in a society where someone blames someone else for their actions, we can't expect anything else....
Wiz - No. Didn't start as a FR. I think Moules and Frerotte started ahead of him......but, whoever it was starting his FR year, it wasn't him
Dozier wasnt the starter as a FR (Jon Williams was)......but, Dozier was the leading yardage rusher (all four years he was here). I don't think that has happened before or since at PSU
But those were two that I woulda' thought would be good possibilities as well
Couple thoughts:
- I'm betting Fuentes asked to see pictures of Rivers GF not his snowboard
- if a man approaching 40 asks to see pictures of my snowboard while recruiting me, I think he is a phony. Dylan will too when he gets a little older
Best of luck to the kid. I will never fault a kid for deciding where he wants to attend college. He may love it. He may regret it. Both parties will move on
- I'm betting Fuentes asked to see pictures of Rivers GF not his snowboard
- if a man approaching 40 asks to see pictures of my snowboard while recruiting me, I think he is a phony. Dylan will too when he gets a little older
Best of luck to the kid. I will never fault a kid for deciding where he wants to attend college. He may love it. He may regret it. Both parties will move on
The kid looks bad, no doubt. If he never "connected" with Franklin then how could he have been 100% committed for...14 months? That doesn't really make any sense. He followed his GF to VT and apparently doesn't want to say that was the reason why he bailed on a team he was 100% committed to so late in the game.
Having said that...I do think it's time to
Having said that...I do think it's time to
Nope. Not in this case. Every indication would reveal that there is no reason to give the Rivers clan the benefit of the doubt. I'm glad he's gone.
That's what most fan bases say any time a kid flips yet when a kid flips to our school they're praised. It's hypocritical at best. An adult simply wishes the kid the best and accepts he's entitled to his opinion especially when we have no clue what transpired.
Considering the only kids that left early is Sickels and Godwin, and Sickels told Franklin he loves him after he suspended him for 1/2 game for OSU and Godwin was the man at PSU, I'd say I don't believe you. Now the older players sure--they went through 3 coaching staffs.
Sorry, should have been more specific. The player in question was '79-82.Well.......
There were 2 four-year starters in the 1980s:
Tony Sacca (who was 80-90s)
And
Shane Conlan
IIRC
Sacca - I'm sure Joe had LOTS of words with Sacca.
Conlan? I doubt if ANYONE wanted to talk to him much....and I doubt he would have cared
Every coach is going to have some players that dislike him. The guys that are gone clearly didn't like Franklin. Especially Donovan Smith. They have more insight than we do. To ignore their opinions is just keeping yourself in the dark. Franklin is winning games and recruiting well right now. His flaws are going to be overlooked or ignored
While it's clear that no fanbase has more experience with kids flipping to other programs than Pitt does, the day I start taking advice from a Pitt guy is the day that I start praying for impotence or incontinence.
Who's the Pitt guy you're referencing? Not now nor have I ever been a Pitt fan. I'm a college football fan that roots for Penn State above anyone else. I'm just able to discuss things rationally without attacking like a child
He brought this program to an astonishing finish this year. I'd say he's done what he needs to do and perhaps it is others who have issues to work on. That is all.
Weren't any 4 year starters over that span
Of course, your buddy wouldn't be the first guy to "overstate" his career
Not that it matters
Still a good story
As a fan you have a singular exisctatuon. However like any other organization the program and the people that are part of it could all use improvement
It's not a complicated concept
Apparently you were born yesterday. Kind of desperate move on your part because you don't have an argument
Nope, I was a student at the time and can vouch for his career. I know you will figure him out very soonWeren't any 4 year starters over that span
Of course, your buddy wouldn't be the first guy to "overstate" his career
Not that it matters
Still a good story
If you consider Tony Sacca a 4 yr starter, Dozier was a four year starter. Sacca started 5 games as a frosh with Lance Lonergan and Tom Bill starting 3 a piece. Lonergan actually started the final 3 games of the season as Sacca was struggling. He was sacked 8 times by Derrick Thomas in the Bama game. DJ started 9 games at TB as a frosh. Williams started 2 games at TB and 3 at FB because DJ won the starting job.
Weren't any 4 year starters over that span
Of course, your buddy wouldn't be the first guy to "overstate" his career
Not that it matters
Still a good story
RALPH GIACOMARRO was the punter from '79 to '82.
