Yes they made a bad choice to fire Joe and I would have been somewhat forgiving if they came back soon after and said they made a mistake. However, they made another mistake by paying millions to Freeh to prove Joe deserved to be fired. They also made a mistake by paying a PR agency millions to change this to the move on scandal. They then made a mistake by telling the NCAA that they will abide by the Freeh Report and admit to all crimes and penalties (tens of millions). Furthermore, they made mistake by paying all those kids millions. It seems they paid kids that Jerry waved to. However they paid as much as $3 mil to kids and all they had was the kid's word. Subway paid what $100k? to kids molested by a pedophile who admitted it and they had concrete evidence that he was guilty. Are you kidding me? They made a series of bad bad mistakes in order to seemingly cover up their crimes of political and monetary graft, not to mention their vengeance against Joe and others.
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Yes they made a bad choice to fire Joe and I would have been somewhat forgiving if they came back soon after and said they made a mistake. However, they made another mistake by paying millions to Freeh to prove Joe deserved to be fired. They also made a mistake by paying a PR agency millions to change this to the move on scandal. They then made a mistake by telling the NCAA that they will abide by the Freeh Report and admit to all crimes and penalties (tens of millions). Furthermore, they made mistake by paying all those kids millions. It seems they paid kids that Jerry waved to. However they paid as much as $3 mil to kids and all they had was the kid's word. Subway paid what $100k? to kids molested by a pedophile who admitted it and they had concrete evidence that he was guilty. Are you kidding me? They made a series of bad bad mistakes in order to seemingly cover up their crimes of political and monetary graft, not to mention their vengeance against Joe and others.
Are you saying that everyone at PSU knew Jerry had a problem for years? If so, then I can see why PSU wants to move on without exposing the truth. I would also say that PSUNormal does know what he is talking about and I can see why PSU does not want a second trial for Jerry,
Ok guys. Just want to explain how I think the "like" happened. I have lurked on this board for many, many years, long before the scandal. I have always loved PSU, been interested in recruiting, have been attending games for over 40 years, am an alumna, and been a fan of Joe's forever. I thought I had already joined years ago, but since I never post, only read and learn, I just recently realized that I hadn't joined, so I just did. I use an iPad when I scroll, and, inadvertently pushed the "like " button just as I was reading normals post. I didn't even know I had done it until I saw my name in a post above! Let me say, I definitely DO NOT agree with him, and I abhor his POV. I have been a member of every facebook page devoted to righting all the wrongs the OGBOT have inflicted on our university since day 1. I have been heartbroken over what their lies and their self indulgent greed has done to the school I love, like most of you. And now I promise to be much more careful in the future when I scroll, but, please, please, please, never lump me in a group that thinks like Normal does. And, for the record, I absolutely love the passion, dedication, and energy I find on this board and enjoy reading your posts. I, like most of you, will continue to fight for my university and Joe as long as there is breath in my body!
Really? Wow!! There were almost 15K votes in the bot election, I am startled that state college hs has that many students!
If they would simply own up to what they did publicly, saying they made mistakes and that the Freeh report was a joke, etc. etc. then most people would forgive them. However, you seem to be granting them a reprieve and yet there has not been a word from any of them.
They have now had 4 years of hindsight. When will they act differently?
With due respect, perhaps it's time for them to initiate that conversation.
How much did your friends spend in their failed attempt to get alumni to support their "move on" platform (UpwardState)? How many votes did they actually get?
You are flat out delusional when you claim that the "majority" of alumni agree with your POV.
Every poll has shown that the alumni overwhelmingly agree that the university should recognize Paterno's contributions to Penn State. And yet the trustees refuse. They are totally disconnected from the Penn State community.
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... I know that more than a few of these men, also would also have acted differently. Hell was unleashed on them and Penn State by the outside world 4 years ago. They made a bad choice. That is all. With the benefit of hindsight, they would have acted differently.
They've had 4 years now to act differently, but they are still fighting to keep the Freeh material under wraps. They've done nothing differently in 4 years. You must not have been paying attention since 2011.
... I know that more than a few of these men, also would also have acted differently. Hell was unleashed on them and Penn State by the outside world 4 years ago. They made a bad choice. That is all. With the benefit of hindsight, they would have acted differently.
They've had 4 years now to act differently, but they are still fighting to keep the Freeh material under wraps. They've done nothing differently in 4 years. You must not have been paying attention since 2011.
Talk about delusional. 14,000 out of 500,000 alumni voted. About 6,000 voted for people you hate. That leaves 8,000 out of 500,000 living alumni that have the fervor you hold. Spread that around PA,MD,NJ,NY and DC and you have a VERY small minority that thinks like you.
You're venturing into total stupidity now.
Claiming that elections that were lost by the Old Guard BOT were actually proof that the great majority of PSU alums were okay with their leadership and actions?
All of these folks that just want to move on-----apparently that doesn't include you?
You didn't take a lot of stat classes did you? Assuming the numbers in your above post are correct, the 14,000 is a sample size of the total population of 500,000. Not every alum voted so you can't just assume the non voters don't have an opinion.
More than 50% of the 14,000 voted against the OG BOT. If you extrapolate that % to the total population you get more than 250,000 alums who don't agree with the OG BOT.
Chew on that for a while.....
It takes a delusional BOT bootlicker to decide that losing an election means that you have the support of the majority.
Yikes you guys are something. Don't you think if it was THAT important they would click their email? They didn't click because they don't care as much as you. It's not the issue to many, many alums as it is to you very few.
It's this sort of thing that had me tuned out from this board for quite some time.
Does nobody see the inconsistency of defending Tim, Gary, Graham and Joe for making difficult decisions under trying circumstances with limited information (and I do strongly support them all), while personally (and often maliciously) attacking BOT members who also made difficult decisions under trying circumstances with limited information? In retrospect, can the BOT's decisions be questioned? Absolutely. Does this mean they are evil and/or made decisions based upon considerations of animus or personal gain?
I know - to hell with logic - GET THE TORCHES AND PITCH FORKS!!!! (sort of what ESPN did 4 years ago, right?)
Wow. Effin incredible. 500,000 alumni. 8,000 vote your way of thinking. 492,000 either don't agree or don't care. Granted some are too dumb or stupid to figure out how to vote. But come on. MOST everyone of us don't hold your view. So many of you think that because 30 of you guys on this board go back and forth with this view, you think everyone believes the same. Just not the case.
How can you possibly say this except as the ultimate tongue-in-cheek? Unlike Joe, they have actually had four years to "act differently". Instead, they have circled the wagons and refused to acknowledge that they did anything wrong. They have been deliberately stubborn in their refusal. They have also been deliberately dismissing of Penn State alumni who want to know the truth behind their rush to fire Paterno, the cowardly way they did so, their motivation to hire a known incompetent sycophant to write their narrative for them, and their dire need to be any kind of "transparent", as they said they would be.
I really try to avoid making direct and specific pejorative remarks about people on this board, but these posts of yours try the few remaining positive fibers of my being. You speak of "the ignorant"; I will leave you to your obvious area of expertise.
Like I said, its pretty hard to make the bot look worse, but you are doing an outstanding job. You're making michy look like a Mensa candidate.
Yes, we are something......we are folks who have taken stat classes and know how to extrapolate a percentage of a sample size to the overall population. Apparently you are not one of these folks.
What a weak response. I counter with math and you counter with "Yikes you guys are something".
As for your contention that people didn't care enough to click their email, I beg to differ. After 11/11 people did start clicking those emails (even digging around spam folders to find them).
If you look at the total voter turnouts from pre 11/11 to post 11/11 you'll see an increase in turnout (more people voted in the year(s) just after 11/11 then before). If anything this means MORE people started to care who was on the PSU BOT and the majority of these folks weren't happy with the OG BOT. In fact enough people cared so much that folks who had never voted before (or even knew how/when the elections took place) started voting post 11/11 (I was one of these people).
So are you saying that since less that 2% (8000/500000) of your alumni voted for reform candidates that it can be extrapolated that most of your alumni are in agreement?
According to you, any election that does not include a majority of those eligible to vote is not a legitimate indication of the electorate. That is a false conclusion.
The alumni association pays a professional polling company to survey the alumni every year.
Statement:
"Penn State should publicly recognize Joe Paterno for his service to Penn State"
On a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the highest level of agreement, 81% of alumni strongly agree (8-10) with that statement.
Another 10% agree (5-7)
So 91% of Penn State alums think the university should recognize Paterno but the BOT will not allow it.
The trustees are completely disconnected from the Penn State community.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
Oohhs and ahhs!!! U r sooo articulit!!! And im sooo ready 4 thsoe nut jobs u promised me now!!!!!
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Have the Trustees ever submitted to criminal back round checks as recommended by Louis the Liar? I know they subjected employees to checks and some lost their jobs. Who knows, perhaps some trustees have been in jail and others may be on their way?
Sigh.....no....you're not comparing apples to apples. I'm saying that since more than 50% of the 14,000 people that voted voted against the OG BOT, then if you extrapolate that % to the total population it would be > 250,000.
You need to take the % based on the sample size (8,000/14,000) not based on the overall population (8,000/500,000). That's the whole point of statistics. You use a sample to estimate how it would translate to the total population within a certain confidence level, confidence interval, and a certain degree of error. There are actual formulas you can use that can get you a much more accurate estimate but in our case we are using general estimates.
We are doing a general proportion:
8,000/14,000 = 57%
Our population size is 500,000. Using this link we can calculate our confidence interval based on a 99% confidence level, which comes out to +/- 1.06%.
IOW we can say with 99% confidence that the true percentage of the population is between 55.94% (57 - 1.06%) and 58.06% (57 + 1.06%). If you convert the percentages into numbers:
We can say with 99% confidence that between 279,700 and 290,300 alumni voted for reform candidates.
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They paid the 'victims' millions and they didn't deserve a cent. Lies and exagerations that have now been uncovered prove there were no real victims. Meanwhile the true victims were the Paterno's, the players, the students, the local economy and the fans.
