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That's a load of crap. They were well aware of the investigation and the impending indictments. They chose their course of action. They own the consequences, intended or not. "Hell was unleashed on them"? Not even slightly. "They made a bad choice"? No shit
They paid the 'victims' millions and they didn't deserve a cent. Lies and exagerations that have now been uncovered prove there were no real victims. Meanwhile the true victims were the Paterno's, the players, the students, the local economy and the fans.
My conclusion is that Jerry's dad was touchy feely with underprivileged kids. Jerry saw this and tried to outdo his Dad and crossed borders with touchy feely and set up a massive program helping underprivileged kids. One kid told the Principal at his school and the Principal did not believe him, because he was a notorious story teller even swearing that he was abducted by aliens. His poor excuse for a mother saw this as a way to make money and redeem herself. Soon the lawyers caught on and lined up kids; got their stories and then massaged them to fit a story line about a sick person. Detectives bought in and were convinced Jerry was a monster and they persuaded Mike that he had to stop Jerry. Scott then believed Mike. Scott or Mike refreshed Joe's memory and Joe's testimony had tremendous holes in it. The story of the GJ was then leaked. Nothing happened and IMO one of the BOT seeking vengeance on Joe, knew Joe's testimony, and suggested to Ganim that Joe knew. Kaos ensued. At the trial, the jury believed Jerry was already guilty and believed the kids.
You are right Joedidn'tknow that since then, much evidence has been revealed. Most people still think Jerry is guilty, but even the most adamant have to admit Jerry did not get a fair trial. If it was their friend or relative they would insist on a new trial. However, most want to take the easy way out and move on.
My suggestion from about a year ago is that a new trial will uncover the truth. IMO it would crush Towny's assertion that Joe knew and it would annihilate PSUNormal's belief that the BOT weren't fiscally responsible. A new trial would cost peanuts to what has been spent previously and people can understand that PSU is not filled with pedophile enablers who looked the other way as not to hurt the football program. I think I have made a rational stand, but PSUNormal is 100% correct. There are not enough PSU alumni with the backbone to stand up and fight for the right thing. If just half of the alumni would demand a new trial, Jerry would get it. Maybe an objective jury will still find Jerry guilty, but the stigma that PSU knew would be gone. My prediction is the jury will fins Jerry did not have sex with anyone, but he did cross boundaries and he should be sentenced to six month, so he will be freed with time served.
The question is how many have the backbone to fight for the right thing?
And just what have I ever asserted Joe knew or didn't with anything specific to Jerry - Please show me these comments. The only time I have barely ever mentioned Joe is when it is in reply to baseless comments like yours. If you would like to know what I think about Joe just ask........
Go ahead and start all the nonsense debate you want about MM being persuaded to embellish about the 2001 incident - that just didn't happen.... you are creating your own easiest path by trying to create scenario that just isn't true. There are plenty people in the AD and FB office that know that is false and who have stated such on the record........ I am 100% confident that the criminal and any civil trial will at minimum show that.
It would be more alarming/more unbelievable had his story stayed the same throughout.
Hey Towny, are you ever going to answer my question:
Did Mike tell you in 2001 that he thought that Sandusky was sodomizing a kid?
Sort of. But it just isn't credible that he conveyed to anyone in 2001 that he thought that he had seen Sandusky having sex with a child.
That's a pretty big element of the story to change.
Perfect. Don't let not knowing the word (or how to spell it) stop you from yet another idiotic post. To the ignore list with you!
Had the BOT exercised even rudimentary diligence, such as asking Joe Paterno for his side of the story, or even asking McQueary what he really saw, we would probably not have had a problem. The Board instead demonstrated what an army would call cowardice in the presence of the enemy.
at 56:23 or so
and a few minutes later (59:40) the future Duke of Wellington tells Surma, I mean Simmerson, what he thinks.
I will type real slow for you since you can't seem to ever understand no matter how many times I answer your question ..................
I have said dozens of times the the words sodomize or rape were never used in discussions with me regarding what Jerry was doing in the shower that night. Molesting the boy in the shower is the language used.
I was told that Jerry was molesting the boy in the shower. I was originally told by Mr. McQ the morning after the incident. I am not sure how soon after I had any conversation directly with MM about that incident. Back then I didn't see him around that often. Football schedule even as a GA was very time consuming. I do know that anytime the subject came up since 2001 and the incident was discussed it was Jerry molested the boy in the shower. That has never changed and was never debated "if" or "maybe not"
Eventually you won't have to just take my word for it.... As I stated earlier there are plenty of people within the AD office and FB office that have stated similar on the record under oath so just stop trying to create and perpetuate some falsehood in an effort to try and change history.
I will ask you again - Please show me where I have stated what Joe did or didn't know about Jerry.....
You must feel pretty awful that you knew for a decade that Jerry was sexually abusing at least one child and you didn't do a damn thing to stop it
Must be pretty hard to live with yourself.
No wonder you keep trying to put the blame on other people.
Then why did MM say in his 2010 written statement that he was certain sodomy was occurring??
I'm surprised MM's lawyer hasn't told you to stop posting about this stuff on public message boards.
According to what you wrote above, MM's 2010 written statement to the OAG/PSP was false/inaccurate. In that statement he made it very clear that he was CERTAIN sodomy was occurring and reported it as such. He didn't say he saw molestation or that he thought molestation might have been occurring....he said that he was certain a kid was getting sodomized based on the slapping sounds and the positioning he saw through the mirror.
That's a pretty big difference in stories wouldn't you say??
But but it's all the evil admins fault, not Towny's. The evil admins told MM they looked into it and there was nothing they could do.
Yet somehow, bizarrely MM/JM/Towny/Dr. D all just shrugged their shoulders and never even so much as thought about having MM at least make a formal written statement to UPPD, so they could, you know, start a criminal investigation?
Or maybe have MM place an anonymous call to ChildLine, just to see if maybe they could do something about it?
Or how about MM telling Curley, when he followed up with MM a few weeks later about PSU's action plan, that you aren't satisfied or insist MORE needed to be done.
Nope...none of that ever happened.
That tells me MM wasn't sure about anything in 2001 except the shower was inappropriate/over the line/made him feel uncomfortable and it was handled as such (HR route vs. UPPD/LE route)
So there are maybe 2 of you on this board to 30 of us. That sounds like 15 to 1 don't want to move on.
This is your post from Monday at 937P. You did not name Joe, but you said: TSM and everyone that had dealt with Jerry's problem over the years knew the gig was up for Jerry any time and it was going to eventually be a big problem.
Unfortunately, I think this is what most people in the US believe. More unfortunate is that the posters here did not react to this. If true, then PSU is guilty, the BOT is somewhat right and PSU deserves the title of pedophile enablers. It also appears that this is the main reason PSU does not want a retrial. Maybe they fear this is true and it will come out. If Joe knew this and did not act on this, then Joe was wrong.
I have put way too many man hours trying to save Joe'r reputation and if this is true, then I feel like a chump.
Unfortunately, I think this is what most people in the US believe. More unfortunate is that the posters here did not react to this. If true, then PSU is guilty, the BOT is somewhat right and PSU deserves the title of pedophile enablers. It also appears that this is the main reason PSU does not want a retrial. Maybe they fear this is true and it will come out. If Joe knew this and did not act on this, then Joe was wrong.
I have put way too many man hours trying to save Joe'r reputation and if this is true, then I feel like a chump.
I think we can connect the BOT and TSM Board for a cover up. And it certainly had nothing to do with Joepa and football.
Okay "Towny" - I'll play.
So there was never any "rape" "anal intercourse" "sodomy" or "penetration". Thank you for determining that.
We know now this particular anchoring image as set in the national psyche November 2011 courtesy of Linda Kelly's OAG is a LIE. A lie that persists today across web forums, in sports columns and in the media.
To this day, 10's of thousands of us "out here" are called child rape enablers on social media and in social settings due to this lie. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent battling this particular lie. The NCAA inserted themselves and attempted to rain down destruction on the football program around this lie. Our Penn State sons and daughters have lived their college experience under the cloud of a lie. Livelihoods have been affected by this lie. A regional economy has been harmed over a lie. Families have been thrown in upheaval and torn apart over a lie. Personal friendships and professional relationships have soured and fallen away over a lie.
Joe asked to find the truth.
It's time to put an end to the biggest lie on the internet. How do we do this, I ask you?
Just curious, what regional economy has been harmed? And if so, to what extent?
Absolutely. Did football games get cancelled? Are people still attending? Are the hotels still gouging on game weekends? No lines in the bars & eateries after games?
Where has the harm occurred and to what degree? Why would that be an unreasonable question?
Convenient of you to leave the part out that I said starting in 2009 when Jerry was indicated a child sex abuser.
TSM, some BOT, people in the AD office, people in the FB office, local media all new that Jerry was under investigation for CSA, It was known that Jerry was going to be arrested sooner or later. In June 2009 someone from FightOnState called to say Jerry was going to be arrested in the next few weeks be ready for shit to hit fan...... Those few weeks turned into a couple of years because of Corbett but the initial heads up was accurate. One might ask how would someone from fightonstate know to even call..... One might ask who else did they call...... One might ask who did they get their information from. Lots of people aren't willing to answer those questions but its hilarious that people want to scorn me for telling my small part in this and I am just a troll because while being true it offends their delicate sensibilities
I would say the fact that you even think Joe needs defending or that he would even want you to and especially in the manor you do so does make you a chump
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over the top melodrama and creating new lies to try and piece together an entirely separate false narrative doesn't seem to be working........
BTW "molesting" to harm (someone) through sexual contact : to touch (someone) in a sexual and improper way. : to bother or annoy (someone or something).
Spin that however you want......
Towny,the only thing that puzzles me is that you tend to paint trustees, TSM leaders and others as though they were certain Jerry was a pedophile and condoned his abuse of children. Yet, the one who you tell us, clearly witnessed Jerry molesting a child, went along with the conspiracy of silence, if indeed one existed. MM never disagreed with the actions or lack of actions taken as a result of his report. In fact quite the opposite, he chose to work with and for the very people you have such disdain for.
You must admit, something doesn't add up. Many people may have known Jerry was under investigation in 09, what does that mean?
You must admit, something doesn't add up. Many people may have known Jerry was under investigation in 09, what does that mean?
it has cost me at least 30-40k in income and I am impacted very little compared to some - multiply that out by thousands of people and businesses and there is no doubt the economy took a hit for a couple of years.
What about the businesses that plan trips to bowl games or those that sell bowl game tees and other items? The impact has a ripple effect of part time jobs lost, tax revenues that need to be generated in other ways. I think the estimate was that PSU football alone brought 90 million to Centre County.
A lot of State College businesses were harmed by the steep drop in attendance and drop in people buying Penn State merchandise.
It's ridiculous to suggest that there was no economic hard.
FFS, look at the drop in Penn State licensing income.
PSUNormal, those people were entrusted with a position of leadership. Leadership USED to mean that you treated people right, even when it was personally dangerous to do so.
But the BOT did what was easy and safe. Today, leadership seems to mean "I'm the boss, I'm protecting myself, hope it works out for everyone else. Now follow me." Is it a surprise to see that today we have virtually no leaders? Who is this generation's JoePa, this generation's Woody Hayes? Absolutely nowhere to be seen.
A person in a position of authority and/or high standing should be held to a higher level. Presumably they were better than everyone else who sought the job.
I have all the sympathy for the average guy who finds himself over his head. I have zero sympathy for guys who should be leaders, but want to be kings.
But the BOT did what was easy and safe. Today, leadership seems to mean "I'm the boss, I'm protecting myself, hope it works out for everyone else. Now follow me." Is it a surprise to see that today we have virtually no leaders? Who is this generation's JoePa, this generation's Woody Hayes? Absolutely nowhere to be seen.
A person in a position of authority and/or high standing should be held to a higher level. Presumably they were better than everyone else who sought the job.
I have all the sympathy for the average guy who finds himself over his head. I have zero sympathy for guys who should be leaders, but want to be kings.
Bravo!!! Ur sooo fanastical!!! Even bettor then myronpsufootball. Dont ever MOVE ON!!!!!
I didn't say that there was no harm, I simply asked where and to what degree. Towny was polite enough to provide how it personally affected him, which is very unfortunate.
