Did you not come at me first? Sorry but I'm not like Willie. I actually have the free time to shut you up...
Gilman (Olympic Version) vs Lee (2021 NCAA Version)
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The Thomas Gilman I watched in these games is a whole level better than the Thomas Gilman I watched the previous few years. Gilman is now with coaches who have proven themselves at being excellent in terms of figuring out how to beat guys from Iowa in rematches. Spencer may be good enough to overcome the coaching disadvantage and win, but that doesn't mean it isn't a disadvantage. Plus we all know Brands makes people hate wrestling. I'm sure I read that somewhere.
Did you expect to learn that I’m dyslexic, and Thomas Gilman is Somath Magnil to me? Huh, Nostradamus?
You got me! I started typing "This thread as I expected, turned into a s***show" but changed my thoughts midwayDid you expect to learn that I’m dyslexic, and Thomas Gilman is Somath Magnil to me? Huh, Nostradamus?
Anyone ever notice that something starting with "No Offense..." is almost guaranteed to be offensive?
Thank you for your service.
Yeah, Gilman won silver at worlds a few years back, but the Gilman that took bronze last week is a much more complete wrestler, more comfortable in all positions.
Saying Gilman won world silver before and then Olympic bronze means NLWC did nothing for him is the laziest approach I've ever seen but that's to be expected.
When TG came to NLWC, he was not that guy. He also wrestled with Liscfranc. Despite that, Gilman looked better than he ever has. If you can't see how he was wrestling better now than in 2017 then I don't know what to say. Iowa fans were like LOL he's so bad now when he got pinned by Sanders (off his own move) and now they're like oh he was good anyways. I'm not even downplaying TnT's lightweight coaching, that speaks for itself and obviously Gilman spent more of his wrestling career there but to say there was no positive influence by NLWC is just lazy once again.
When TG came to NLWC, he was not that guy. He also wrestled with Liscfranc. Despite that, Gilman looked better than he ever has. If you can't see how he was wrestling better now than in 2017 then I don't know what to say. Iowa fans were like LOL he's so bad now when he got pinned by Sanders (off his own move) and now they're like oh he was good anyways. I'm not even downplaying TnT's lightweight coaching, that speaks for itself and obviously Gilman spent more of his wrestling career there but to say there was no positive influence by NLWC is just lazy once again.
Because he doesn't score in 1 point increments anymore???
I do. Sounds like good convo for your dinner tonight with PDIII, AD and Teasdale.
Exactly, my eyes don't deceive.
1) Gilman is definitely not the same wrestler and working out at the NLWC has enabled him to jump a level. He was basically a mental lapse (somewhat inexcusable considering) away from a pretty good path to Gold. He impressed the hell out of me with his skill level against the world's best.
2) Beside the prognostications, Spencer is the best 125 of his generation ACLs or not, he is a feirce competitor, and nowhere near burnout. That said, I absolutely believe that Nick Suriano could give him a run for his money this year, but in 2 years he and TG will be the ones battling it out for our world team.
I think we are seeing that Gilman's ceiling is much higher than we all thought when he was still training in Iowa. Despite my accolades for Spencer he simply will not walk in and take over at Free.
It would be a real shame for Spencer but I can see both scenarios, 2022 -24 TG as a world gold medalist, or Spencer the same. I am pretty certain it will be a real battle.
As for Gilman's mental lapse. I think we all saw some final second heroics for the ages this Olympic season. I am ok with how two of the other examples played out.
Turk should be honored, not everyone has their own joke on this forum.
Your service ... thank you for it.
Your service ... thank you for it.
Thomas Gilman Wikipedia
Age–group levelEdit
In the age–group, Gilman was a three–time US World Team Member, once as a cadet and twice as a junior, and went on to claim a bronze medal from the Junior World Championships in 2014.[19][20]Senior levelEdit
2013Edit
Gilman made his senior level debut at the US University Nationals at age 18, where he placed third.[21]2017Edit
After his folkstyle career was over, Gilman competed at the US Last Chance World Team Trials Qualifier in May, and went on to place first to earn a spot at the US World Team Trials.[22] At the US World Team Trials Challenge Tournament of June, Gilman went on to defeat 2017 NCAA champion Darian Cruz, reigning Pan American champion Tyler Graff, two–time US University National champion Nico Megaludis and 2015 NCAA champion Nathan Tomasello, to make the best–of–three final.[23] In the best–of–three, Gilman went on to defeat fellow graduated Hawkeye Tony Ramos twice in a row to become the biggest underdog to make the 2017 US World Team.[24] Gilman then went on to claim the prestigious Grand Prix of Spain in July.[25]At the 2017 World Championships, Gilman opened up with big wins over 2016 European Continental runner–up and two–time Cadet World Champion from Ukraine Andriy Yatsenko and 2017 Asian Continental medalist from Iran Reza Atri, before defeating 2017 Dave Schultz Memorial runner–up Nodirjon Safarov and stunning 2014 Asian Games Gold medalist from North–Korea Jong Hak-jin to astonishingly making the finals of the tournament.[26] In the finale, Gilman's 15 match win–streak was broken by 2017 Asian Continental champion from Japan Yuki Takahashi, claiming the 2017 World Championship Silver medal.[27] To cap off the year, Gilman helped Titan Mercury Wrestling Club reach second–place at the Clubs World Championship.[28]
2018Edit
Gilman started off the year by helping Team USA reach the gold medal at the World Cup, going 2–2.[29] He then claimed a bronze medal from the Pan American Championships, after falling to 2017 U23 World Champion from Cuba Reineri Andreu in the semifinals and bouncing back in the third–place match.[30] In June, the defending US World Team Member was able to defeat Junior World Champion Daton Fix twice in a row at Final X Lincoln to make back–to–back teams.[31] In July, he claimed the prestigious Yasar Dogu International title, defeating Süleyman Atlı in the process.[32] At the 2018 World Championships, Gilman went on to defeat Italy's Givi Davidovi and Azerbaijan's three–time and reigning European Continental champion Giorgi Edisherashvili, before being defeated by 2018 Asian Continental champion (61kg) from Kazakhstan Nurislam Sanayev and Süleyman Atlı to place fifth.[33]2019–2020Edit
Gilman started off the year competing overseas, claiming an Ivan Yarygin Golden Grand Prix bronze medal and placing 15th at the Dan Kolov – Nikola Petrov Memorial.[34][35] After coming back to the United States, Gilman claimed runner–up honors from the US Open, losing to Daton Fix in the finals but not before beating Nathan Tomasello.[36][37] In May, he claimed the US World Team Trials Challenge by defeating Darian Cruz twice, becoming the Final X challenger.[38] At June's Final X, Gilman was defeated by Fix two to one, losing the chance of representing the United States at the World Championships.[39] Gilman then travelled to Russia to train in Vladikavkaz, and was named the USA Wrestling Athlete of the Week after claiming the Yusup Abdusalamov Memorial.[40][41] He also competed at the Intercontinental Cup and the Alans International, placing third at twelfth respectively before returning to the United States.[42][43]Gilman opened up 2020 with a prestigious Matteo Pellicone Ranking Series title, defeating Daton Fix in the semifinals and 2019 World Championship medalist (61 kg) Joe Colon in the semifinals and finals.[44] Gilman then continued his streak two months later, and qualified the weight for the United States to compete at the 2020 Summer Olympics after winning the gold medal from the Pan American Olympic Qualification Tournament, notably defeating two–time U23 World Champion from Cuba Reineri Andreu in the semifinals.[45] Gilman was then scheduled to compete at the 2020 US Olympic Team Trials in April, however, the event was postponed as well as the 2020 Summer Olympics due to the COVID-19 outbreak.[46] In April 10, Gilman announced his move from his long–time club, the Hawkeye Wrestling Club, to the Nittany Lion Wrestling Club in State College, Pennsylvania.[47]
After being unable to compete for months due to the pandemic, Gilman competed at his now local NLWC in their first event in September, where he tech'd NCAA champion Darian Cruz.[48] In their third event, in November, Gilman pinned 2017 Ukrainian International Open runner–up Frank Perrelli, notably calling out Spencer Lee afterwards.[49] In his last event of the year, Gilman was unable to keep his unbeaten streak and was defeated by 2019 Bill Farrell Memorial champion Seth Gross via criteria in December.[50]
2021Edit
To open up the year, Gilman competed at the Grand Prix de France Henri Deglane in January, where after downing three–time European Continental champion Giorgi Edisherashvili and 2020 US National champion Vito Arujau in his first two matches, he was controversially defeated by Islam Bazarganov on criteria, but was able to defeat Edisherashvili in the third–place match to claim bronze.[51] In February, he competed at the fifth NLWC event, and was upset by Zach Sanders, before defeating Sean Russell.[52] In April 2–3, Gilman, the top–seed, competed at the rescheduled 2020 US Olympic Team Trials in an attempt to represent the United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics.[53] To make it to the best–of–three, he ran through two–time All–American Zane Richards and World Championship medalist Joe Colon, ending both via technical fall.[54] Gilman then wrestled Vito Arujau (21–2 since the pandemic, took out Daton Fix in the semifinals), and went on to pin him in the first match and beat him via criteria in the second match. This result qualified Gilman to represent the United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics, and he is expected to do so in August 4–5.[55][56] He was also expected to compete at the Pan American Continental Championships,[57] but was forced out due to a foot injury and was replaced by Arujau.[58]On August 4, Gilman competed in the first date of the men's freestyle 57 kg of the 2020 Summer Olympics, where he went the distance in a razor-close loss to eventual winner of the Olympic Games and two-time and reigning World Champion Zaur Uguev from the Russian Olympic Committee.[59] As the Russian kept advancing on the bracket, Gilman was pulled into repechage to compete on August 5, dominating Gulomjon Abdullaev from Uzbekistan and '19 Asian champion Reza Atri from Iran in order to capture the bronze medal for the United States.[60]
Gilman has been pretty good at freestyle for awhile now. Getting to wrestle for the two best clubs the US has to offer can only be considered a good thing. I hope he keeps it rolling for Team USA.
My take is the Room and Coach who produces an Olympic medalist at 57 kg is the best lightweight coach and room in the country.
Iowa = lightweight U
NLWC = Olympic medal wrestling club
NLWC = Olympic medal wrestling club
I heard he was getting little sleep. He was having hypnotherapy sessions for 4 hours a day to keep him from going postal on Austin DeSanto.
When did Gilman ever wrestle for the Spartan RTC?
BTW....who is the best wrestler in the HWC? Jeremiah Moody?
Turk is really trying hard to be a martyr......he wants to live on tHR saying how he got the ax for going at willie.
Dont give him any quarter. Hold the line. Own the turk.
PS- wasnt he taking months off because BWI posters got to him?
Dont give him any quarter. Hold the line. Own the turk.
PS- wasnt he taking months off because BWI posters got to him?
Post collegiately, I think they have Lugo, Clark, Brooks. Clark has been MIA since getting hurt at Senior Nationals I think but recently tweeted like he plans to be wrestling again soon. Lugo gave it a go at Last Chance and didn't qualify for Trials. He was actually doing pretty well and just got pinned and headpinched by Henderson and McKee. Sammy Brooks was at Trials and lost to Pfarr and then AB. Counting all their college wrestlers, obviously Spencer. Best active wrestler (AKA will attempt to make a team this year or next) in college, Jaydin Eierman?
I don't think most of their current wrestlers will spend much time in the free circuit outside of Spencer. Maybe they'll sign with HWC for a bit but the fact Kemerer almost walked away period makes me think he's ready to be done with wrestling after next year (and I don't think that's a reach) Eierman has already hinted at a transition to MMA long term and ADS was shown wearing a BJJ Gi recently so I think MMA might be the move for him also. Marinelli strikes me as a coach.
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SteeltownJohn -- does that mean @johnstownsteel knows Turk's lot lizards?
Say what? I got what ax for going at Willie?
I said I would take a short off-season break until the Olympics. A short hiatus just like I did last year.
One of his user names that got banned. I've never met a lot lizard but I know they exist just like you do. Hell I bet they even have them in PA!
on willie...you only deserve what you earn.
on your return....you never really left, so the hiatus is BS...so how about leaving again until worlds?
Pretty much agree with all of this.
I can see Eierman training through the '24 cycle.
Clark was recently announced as coach for Izzystyle, but not sure if that means that he is done competing.
Someone on HR posted that Brooks is done competing.
Lugo was looking really good up until getting pinned by Henderson. I am interested to see if he is going to keep training for the '24 cycle.
A few years out yet, but I could see Cassioppi and possibly Warner spending a few years on the freestyle scene.
So I didn't know this but Big Tony was a really good boxer in HS also. I think MMA might be his move as well. That explains why he's so smooth on his feet! Agreed on Warner, he was a pretty accomplished free wrestler. Definitely think he'll throw his name in the ring for 92KG for a few years.
Was never a username of mine. Must have been some other troll that owned you..
Why do you concern yourself with me so much over the years? I'm a Hawkeye fan. So what? If you could get over that you would feel a lot more at ease.
I don't disrespect your wrestlers or coaches. I like many of them in fact. I was a fan of Cael before you were born! Lol.. The Olympics just got over and this is a thread about two Hawkeye wrestlers. You get that right?
Yeah...forget the details but remember he was getting run out of a thread for being an idiot. I almost felt bad for him then quickly remembered it was Turk so immediately my urge to slap him in the mouth kicked in...lol
Lugo improved a lot over the past couple years. I hope he keeps it going. Eierman hasn't trained freestyle all that much yet. He was the US open champ this year however with solid wins over Luke Pletcher and Dom Demas.
Big Cass could make some noise if Gwiz retires and Gable goes WWE
I'm torn because I want Cass to wrestle freestyle right now to help his folkstyle game, but I'd also love to see him give greco a shot. He gave Schultz all sorts of problems a couple years ago in the junior trials despite being way less savvy with greco positioning. I think he could be really solid.
Cassini definitely has a future in freestyle.
However, he's been passed by Parris since both arrived on campus. He needs to figure that out if he's going to make noise on the senior level.
