Stayed clear of him in the draft as well. Very telling....and never picked him up in 3 subsequent opportunities.
9 inch hands....
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He looks like he needs another year in the strength and conditioning program. He has already shown he's tough to bring down and we all know about his arm. A little faster and stronger, maybe a little smarter about a few on those hits he absorbed and he's going to be really good.
Allen Robinson graduated and he couldn’t just chuck up 50/50 balls and expect the receiver to get them.
You aren’t the first person to say this but I vehemently disagree.
Our previous starting QB is in his 4th year in the NFL. The starter before him was on active NFL roster for 4 years. Daryll Clark is probably the most underrated QB we ever had and Michael Robinson, when finally given a chance to start at QB, ended up 5th in Heisman voting.
Daryll Clark 2008 & 2009:
5,505 passing yards
493 rushing yards
60 total TDs
143 Passer Rating
22-4 record
2-0 vs Michigan
1-1 vs Ohio State
#8 and #9 AP final poll
2008 Big Ten Championship (tied)
The question was, why was Hackenberg worse after his freshman year. The answer for Hackenburg is because he no longer had his go to receiver to bail him out on long passes which was his bread and butter and the bulk of his value. You asked what was the difference between 2013 Hack and 2014/15 and I told you.
Do other QBs benefit from having top WRs who can go up and get balls? Absolutely of course. And sure that happened with McGloin with Robinson and McSorely with Godwin. But they could both do other things as a QB effectively - Hack was pretty subpar at short and medium passes (I don't think I've seen a college QB so inept at screen passes) and not a great runner either. So, he had little to fall back onto when he didn't have receivers bailing him out. Obviously, it didn't help that the porous O-line gave him like half a second to throw but even when he would have time, he wasn't all that accurate.
Don't get me wrong, Hackenberg seems like a great guy and a loyal Penn Stater and I like him. But he was not a good QB despite some awesome measurables.
Franklion wanted him to do more RPO and he wasn’t that type of QB. O'Brien was doing a great job with him his freshman year.
Franklin's hands were kind of tied with Hack. His skillset didn't align with the offense Franklin wanted to run. The OL wasn't great. Hack got hit a lot and lost his confidence. Todd Bowles never wanted Hack and gave him zero chance to succeed.
Agreed. Hack was here when the sanctions hit the worst. He wasn’t as good as he was built up to be but he really helped sustain the program during the worst of it
No one should question the character or commitment of Christian. Taking issue with those who insist that somehow CJF ruined the "Hope Diamond" has nothing to do with #14's loyalty or his place in PSU history during that miserable time.
"When finally given a chance" I was begging Paterno in my mind of course to have Robinson play, he could have been a star.
Well, that's just peachy. Other teams have starters, we are happy with a kid that never sees the field in the regular season.
He should also benefit from a solid running game given who comes back on the OLine and in the backfield. There should not be too many games that he has to win with his arm.
Biggest ? Is at receiver.
You if can’t even recall that throw then maybe you shouldn’t be offering your opinion.
7:25 mark
Mild play action fake. Couple step drop and throw. Deep ball TD to KLS.
Perfect example of complimentary football. Running success sets up the play, play was executed very well.
If Allar can make this throw 40% of the time, that's going to be a lethal offense. Cliff made this throw about 17%. And that's when he actually threw it. He probably held the ball too long or scrambled away on 50% of similarly called plays.
Agreed. While I hate the 'wait for next year' mentality, 2023 is setting up nicely. It will also be interesting to track UM and tOSU players for portal and NFL defections.
Hackenberg 2.0 is not what we need to be successful in this division. That is exactly what scares me about Allar. I would rather have Veillaux for his smoothness, athleticism and ability to beat you with his legs. Much like JJ McCarthy does. I'm not rooting against Allar but I feel like I've seen this movie before and without a strong OL and clean pocket that rocket arm still means 8-4 type seasons.
I think with Michigan, the biggest potential portal/defection is Harbaugh.
The Buckeyes, they have to replace Stroud. They've been 3/3 since JT Barrett. No reason to assume they won't make it 4. They probably do something wacky. 2 straight to Michigan is probably going to drive them nuts. Problem is, they have more 5*s than the rest of the conference combined.
Kid is probably still 19 years old and will enter his second off season conditioning with the program. Will he be the next Lamar Jackson, no......but he isn't Tom Brady......the kid has mobility.
I still believe KLS has untapped potential. Hopefully he really breaks out next year. He had a good game vs MSU. Hopefully Allar can throw receivers open, something Cliff struggled to do.
Hack lost his starting job in the now defunct Alliance of American football league and fell to 3rd string. Maybe Bowles was onto something
Should have a pretty strong and decent depth OL coming back next year. At least 3 starters returning, with at least two true Freshman who played a lot of snaps and played well.
There is a really good chance tOSU replaces their DC. Day is now under some heat and will need to scapegoat somebody.
Replace the DC after 1 year?
If anything I think he will hand play calling duties to Kevin Wilson.
I'm not sure if they cut ties with Knowles just yet unless they go after Jim Leonhard and decide to change the defense to a 3-4.
Johnson honestly might be the one who gets cut. Basically the only holdover from last years defensive staff. Multiple high end DL recruits and outside of one game where Clifford made one guy look like Reggie White and TJ Watt combined, the group didn't make much noise.
They have 2 DB coaches as well. Both in year 1. After the big passes to Michigan, one of them might eat some blame. Gave up similar to us, we just didn't win the game.
No the clowns say …. it’s Clifford AND Franklin’s fault!
The only thing I can say for sure about Allar is that he has a very strong arm. Unfortunately, arm strength is about the 10th most important thing you need to be a great QB.
He might end up being a great QB. I hope he does. But the hype you hear from the announcers on TV is way overblown. High recruiting ranking and rocket arm give them massive boners. But will he have the pocket presence, accuracy, decision making ability, and the ability to quickly find the open man? Remains to be seen.
He might end up being a great QB. I hope he does. But the hype you hear from the announcers on TV is way overblown. High recruiting ranking and rocket arm give them massive boners. But will he have the pocket presence, accuracy, decision making ability, and the ability to quickly find the open man? Remains to be seen.
I think he's shown a lot more than that. He steps up, and has shown, good pocket presence. He's shown that he can run well enough to compliment the position. He's shown he can command the team in a challenging environment (Purdue when SC got hurt). he's shown he can deliver the ball on the run. He's shown he is willing to finesse a throw (put air under it).
His decision making is still to be tested. Can he process receivers in real time? Can he read defenses? What is his accuracy for short, medium and long throws? Those, and more, we don't know yet. But a lot of that is coaching. And what he does have cannot be coached. No coach is going to give him that strong arm, make them 6-5, and more.
Lastly, that strong arm is more than just fun. it allows him to deliver the ball, on a rope, running to his left or right. It also allows him to throw a deep-out pattern without fear of it being picked off. These skills require the D to cover more of the field for longer. It is why, if you want to be a starter in the NFL, you have to show a strong arm at the combine. Trace and McGloin would be very good NFL QBs, if they had strong arms. Colt McCoy as well. They just don't have the arm strength to make all the throws and put pressure on the D to cover all layers of the field.
I never said that. There literally hundreds of ways to judge a QB. Tebow had a TON of talent around him and is a physical specimen. He just didn't have the arm.
I'll agree with the potential...and he definitely stepped up Saturday which is a good a good sign.
I also clearly remember him dropping a pass over the middle in the first series vs. Michigan that clearly was designed for him. He then dropped another early and found the bench.
Vs. Rutgers this year he created little separation...my seats in the upper deck at the 40 afforded a great view. He was an afterthought.
He started maybe too early, appears to have lost confidence and that of his qb/ coach. I hope he maximizes his opportunity!
Like bazooka armed Drew Brees, who has thrown for more yards than anyone in league history?
Having a strong arm is nice, but again it is an often overrated trait when looking for a quarterback.
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