IMO, it is never a waste of time to fight for due process. Your and my idea of what constitutes a fair trial are not the same. How much prosecutorial misconduct do you think is all right?
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IMO, it is never a waste of time to fight for due process. Your and my idea of what constitutes a fair trial are not the same. How much prosecutorial misconduct do you think is all right?
of course, the actual CSA experts say his attitude is NOT HELPFUL in identifying and prosecuting abusers, and in fact may cause more harm than good.
but someone on his high moral horse will never concede that
A lot of people just aren't strong enough to respectfully consider others opinions and research on matters as "sensitive" as these. I call them water cooler pussies because they care more about what someone else might think about them than they do the eventual truth.
I told JZ a long time ago that the truth only knows one path. If that path takes people where they don't want to go, that's on them. It doesn't make it any less the truth though.
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I think the trial was more than fairl Sandusky picked out his own crappy representation, Sandusky decided not to take the stand and in the end, justice was served. Pedo is off the street and the world is better.
You go ahead and keep fighting for the pedo. I'm sure you and JZ will crack the case one of these days.
I'm just looking for the truth. Let me know when you have something substantive to add to the attainment of that goal.
Your and my view of justice is not the same. Do you think that justice was served in the Salem witch trials?
The alternative was dealing with this headline:
PENN STATE DENIES COMPENSATION TO SANDUSKY VICTIMS
or
PENN STATE CALLS VICTIMS "LIARS"
Or
VICTIMS SUFFER MORE PAIN AT HANDS OF PENN STATE
or
VICTIMS STILL ABUSED AT PENN STATE
I know someone will post headlines that are more fair or objective, but that's not what the media would say. Fair headlines don't sell nespapers or boost ratings.
It's easy to say just ignore it but in the end long, protracted litigation with dozens of victims would have cost Penn State more in terms of money, lost goodwill, and a further tarnished brand.
The truth is that JS is a pedo and deserves to rot in jail. It's not complicated.
I think justice was served in the JS trial along with 99.99999999% of the public.
Some people don't understand the value of moving on from a damaging scandal.
Why not fight for it on legit cases where actual innocent people are in jail? Why is this one so important to you? Because the school buckled and paid kids? Be upset at the school, but let's stop pretending this is the case to show how flawed the court system is. Jerry was aone with all of these kids and couldn't even refute that. Plenty of people help children's charities and coach without having to be alone with other people's kids.
The vocal minority upset with the judicial system here are misplacing their anger or they just want the world to say they were wrong about Jerry with no proof of his innocence. They act like defense attorneys attacking the victims when that doesn't prove a thing. It would be one thing if there was a REAL smoking gun, but the best you have is AF is a bad person. Sorry, that doesn't make the trial unfair or Jerry innocent. I forget the last handle you used, but it will come back to me. Friends of an attention whore who is glad a few follow him have yet to bring anything credible to the table in 4 years? How come?
Really, if this was at tOSU instead of PSU, nobody here would be crying foul for one second. Oddly enough the leading national expert believes JS did it. He's captured over 1000, but he is causing more harm I guess.
I can separate the schools idiotic response from Jerry's guilt. I'm not praying for the Hail Mary that the man was framed by the state and victims just because they felt like it. For people talking about intolerance of opinions, you certainly can't stand hearing ones opposite of yours. Odd how that works? GD offseason is when you guys love to stoke the poor Jerry and his horrible trial. This national bombshell will come any day now and JZ will walk Jerry out of prison really soon says nobody outside those still following JZ.
I get those sill looking at the BoT as there was some bad crap there. That has nothing to do with Jerry at all. Oh well if they haven't caught on by now he really did this, they'll die thinking this way short of Jerry confessing.
I would hate to be them. It must be terrible thinking perpetually that 30+ victims lied and everyone just wanted to screw poor Jerry and PSU. A massive conspiracy orchestrated by people with no connection to each other.
No culpability was ever established with regard to Penn State. The BoT moved to cover their asses in their TSM shenanigans.
I am comfortable with the fact that, long before JZ spoke out, I followed the transcripts of the trial, read almost every bit of information available at the time, and came to my own independent conclusion that McQueary's testimony was physically impossible, the prosecution engaged in questionable conduct with several witnesses, the judge was biased beyond belief, and that I found several of witnesses manufactured their testimony out of whole cloth. (IIRC my initial feeling was both allegations of sexual abuse were phony, and the critical count of IDSI with victim 2 was not credible to the jury either. of the 8 witnesses at trial, I found 3 credible.)
all the had waving and moral outrage hasn't changed that. and it doesn't make me a horrible person, either.
I have that dingbat on ignore, but based on your reply I suppose now is a good time bring up (ONCE AGAIN) that none of the PSU admins are being charged with a crime for what they did in 2001, and that even the OAG acknowledges they did nothing illegal in 2001.
They were not required to call the police. I don't understand how they can be culpable for what happened.
yes because 30+ people testified that they witnessed witchcraft, therefore it is true.
I notice the fake victim's advocate hasn't rebutted my post that she took Ziegler's words from the Slaten interview out of context and completely misrepresented his point
I guess it makes some people feel they are doing justice in the world as long as they believe the ends justifies the means
I guess it makes some people feel they are doing justice in the world as long as they believe the ends justifies the means
You yourself think that three victims were credible... so isn't Jerry where he belongs?
It must be marvelous to live in your black and white world. Go watch "Making of a Murderer" and tell me what you think. In my world, there are shades of grey, and even though our justice system gets thing right 99% of the time, they don't 100% of the time. Can't you put yourself in someone else's shoes? What happens to 1% of the people can also happen to YOU. Stretch your mind. We know your only using 10% of it right now.
I respectfully disagree. I believe that if Penn State would have waited until culpability had been established, it would have cost them nothing as opposed to the $200 plus million and tarnished reputation that it has already cost them. You have bought into the false narrative put out by the false Grand Jury Presentment and the Freeh Report that Penn State covered up and enabled the acts of a pedophile.
Irregardless of whether or not Sandusky can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be a pedophile; Spanier, Curley, and Schultz will eventually be exonerated and the Freeh Report will be debunked.
That may the truth to a simpleton like you. The truth is that JS did not receive a fair trial and deserves a new one.
Most of the people at the time of Salem witch trials thought that justice was served. That doesn't make it right.
Penn State paid out money to "victims" and the NCAA in the hopes no one would further probe into the dirty deeds of some BoT members.
One has to wonder why, if Sandusky was so guilty, the OAG had to resort to so many shady tactics to secure convictions
So you are one of the move on crowd. Do you support the old guard BOT members?
people really should read "The Witches" by Stacy Schiff. Incredible details about the trial. Nauseating travesty of justice that some posters here would celebrate.
This is a legitimate case. There are a lot of legitimate questions of what exactly happened. I don't know whether or not Sandusky is guilty, but I do know that a minimum that the OAG and the old guard BOT members played fast and loose with the way they have handled this case. I would like to see the responsible parties in the OAG, the old guard BOT members as well as the NCAA and Louis Freeh answer for their malfeasance. This is important to me because I believe that Penn State and a number of people has been wronged and have not received the justice that they deserve.
I'm certain that I will never have double digit people accusing me of molesting them.
Do you think he molested kids, yes or no? If it is no, do you feel that all of the victims are liars?
We are not talking about magical BS. We are talking about pedophilia which is very real.
I couldnt give two craps about the BOT, old or new. I personally believe that PSU saved its reputation in the academic community by doing what they did.
Well then consider yourself lucky. But someday, one person might accuse you of something that you didn't do. When that happens, I will support you if you are innocent. The problem the way I see it, nowadays, there isn't any more innocent until proven guilty. It's evolved into innocent until accused.
Sure they did. All they did was cost the school needless money and made asses out of themselves in the bargain.
Sandusky cost the school money.
The alternative to settling with victims was to litigate 20 to 30 claims. That's 20 to 30 individual trials. That's 20 to 30 victims testifying as to all the gory, sick, perverted acts that JS committed. The media would love it. The cases would drag on for years and so would the bad publicity. Wouldn't THAT be attractive to potential recruits and other students? Not to mention the costs. The lawyers would get even richer. And in the end it's possible PSU would lose many of those cases and have to pay whatever amount a sympathetic jury decided to award. You want to assume PSU would have won, but sexual abuse of children can inflame a jury like little else. It's an unwise gamble to take under these circumstances.
The alternative to settling with victims was to litigate 20 to 30 claims. That's 20 to 30 individual trials. That's 20 to 30 victims testifying as to all the gory, sick, perverted acts that JS committed. The media would love it. The cases would drag on for years and so would the bad publicity. Wouldn't THAT be attractive to potential recruits and other students? Not to mention the costs. The lawyers would get even richer. And in the end it's possible PSU would lose many of those cases and have to pay whatever amount a sympathetic jury decided to award. You want to assume PSU would have won, but sexual abuse of children can inflame a jury like little else. It's an unwise gamble to take under these circumstances.
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