You're assuming that and it's a failed argument. One or two cases beaten in Court and the others have 2nd thoughts. The BoT blew this, to cover their behinds.
Good JZ interview - over an hour [link]
- Thread starter MtNittany
- Start date
You're assuming that and it's a failed argument. One or two cases beaten in Court and the others have 2nd thoughts. The BoT blew this, to cover their behinds.
funny how he parrots the line the executive committee on the BoT shoved down the throats of the alumni trustees to get them to go along with the payouts.
It's the PL and TOS trolls that parrot this could lose more at trial.
BS. The BoT didn't want trials because that leads to discovery, which leads to the BS they were involved in at TSM and within PSU.
it is a completely bogus argument designed to obfuscate the truth. they don't want to truth to come out an more than Ken Frazier.
then they sit there and lie, and moralize, and tell us we are rotten people.
Exactly it's about PSU and you phonies don't care about justice. You care about PSU only. The funny thing is watching people champion for justice of a known convicted pedophile. Why did you change your handle?
If I really have to explain this to you in detail, something so very simple, why should anyone listen to anything you say? It's a rhetorical question, we already know the answer.
You know Blackie, I can't get rid of the image in my mind of CR66 having his hand up your arse and squeezing that trigger thingy that makes your chin move up and down.
I wish some news outlets could read what you maniacs talk about. Or should i say some maniacs. This Black Elmo Dude is right about moving on from this, If there was ever a retrial for JS or if the 3 stooges get their day in court, all this anti PSU/Child Enabling Rapist content is back in the limelight and what you call "leaders" will cry "Our poor Football Team!"
I marvel at the intelligence of your arguments. Either you simply resort to Trump tactics (name calling) or hide behind emotional rhetoric.
Fact is nobody can guarantee what a jury would do, but in child abuse cases the Plaintiff has a head start. Anybody that knows even a modest bit about defending civil child abuse abuse lawsuits will tell you its a no-win situation, particularly with a highly visible defendant. The smart move is to settle as quickly and as low key as possible.
I know you don't want to hear it, but I challenge you to find an insurance defense attorney that says otherwise. (Please don't bring up the dispute between PSU and its insurer because that involves a coverage question (policy interpretation), not defense on the merits of the victims claims.
Fact is nobody can guarantee what a jury would do, but in child abuse cases the Plaintiff has a head start. Anybody that knows even a modest bit about defending civil child abuse abuse lawsuits will tell you its a no-win situation, particularly with a highly visible defendant. The smart move is to settle as quickly and as low key as possible.
I know you don't want to hear it, but I challenge you to find an insurance defense attorney that says otherwise. (Please don't bring up the dispute between PSU and its insurer because that involves a coverage question (policy interpretation), not defense on the merits of the victims claims.
An aside, JZ posted that he had lunch with a b.o.t. member who said the University will soon honor JVP.
Please, if anyone believes that JS is innocent, let me know now so that I can put you on ignore. Thank you.
Frazier is an a hole, but that has nothing to do with Jerry's guilt or trial. Frazier screwed Joe and the school. Jerry screwed little boys. Sorry if you feel rotten about any of this. Unless you are on the BoT or are Jerry himself you have no reason to feel horrible.
Who knew and should have done something about it then?
Was Jerry the Lex Luther of pedophilia?
The only reason PSU had so many claims against it is bc they came out and admitted guilt for CSS and said they would pay all civil suits even before JS was even convicted for crying out loud!!
And I challenge you to find one other example of a company/school paying out over $100MM all based on unproven allegations in a GJP.
To this day not one single allegation against CSS has been proven in a court of law whether civil or criminally. Truly mind blowing route for PSU to take unless of course certain BOT had something very bad to hide.
Who gives a damn what the freaking corrupt idiots in the press would say if PSU actually told the plaintiffs we'll see you in court so they could prove their case or not. If the OgBOT didn't commission and embrace the freeh report the plaintiffs would essentially have to argue that psu admins should have known better than what the child care experts at CCCYS/TSM were telling them re: JS in 98 and 2001. Both incidents were reported outside of PSU. The admins had no control over JS access to kids. MM's story has more holes than swiss cheese and he would be shredded on the stand by competent counsel if the plaintiffs tried to rely on him.
It's the job of trustees to not act on emotion and look out for the school. They failed miserably.
Last edited:
I doubt it was lunch. Maybe they met at the First Church of Tiger Woods fish fry.
Great post. You've nailed it. Since when does a party admit to guilt before a trial has begun? Sounds awfully fishy to me.
Leaking a child sex abuse investigation & manufacturing of evidence by witness manipulation are definitely possible & even likely to have occurred. If JVP isn't manipulated by the DAs to change his story from "horsing around" to "sexual nature" much of this PSU scandal may've been avoided. Couple that with GJ leaks & you end up with a feeding frenzy on PSU that might have been avoided. This kind of prosecutorial misconduct has repercussions. The rest of the world thinks this is a PSU culture problem & victims are worse off because of that myth. People still think this wouldn't happen in their neighborhood under their watch when chances are it already has.
You need not look any further than Syracuse to see how PSU should've handled the scandal.
You cannot separate the link of prosecutor's actions & those of the BoT. Without DAs manipulating Joe's GJ testimony, without leaks that lead to finding McQueary & the janitors, without Noonan going maverick on Joe's character, without allowance of clear Atty client privilege violations by Baldwin & without Corbett's influence at the BoT meeting among other shady acts by prosecutors it becomes far more unlikely what we now know as the PSU scandal turns out significantly different. And honestly does a corrupt judicial system convicting a guilty man make it ok to ignore the corruption?
That's an absurd argument. Everyone who championed for Hurricane Carter, championed for a known convicted murderer. Every wrongfully convicted person was a known convicted something at some point. If someone thinks an injustice was done to PSU then they care about justice. Your argument immediately insists that the person you're arguing with assume you're conclusions are right. That is circular reasoning.
The professionals at DPW, CYS, and The second mile. All knew in 1998 and were trained to observe and stop that sort of activity.
Mike McQueary, his dad, possibly his GF, and Dr Dranov. All knew immediately after the shower horseplay incident in 2001. The one where the victim, Allen Myers, is on the record saying nothing happened.
Right as Carter was a PSU coach? The victims in this case knew who raped them and testified as adults under oath against Jerry. Jerry made it a point to be alone with them and you want to compare it to a race related arrested in 1966. Sorry that is a joke of a comparison.
When actual evidence shows all of these victims conspired just to bury Jerry, let me know. That certainly hasn't even come close to happening yet. So far we have they got paid and AF grew up an a-hole after being molested as s child. Well that doesn't do it for me. Sorry, but one text or email stating he didn't do it from a victim? Anything? Victims struggling to come forward is nothing new but here people act as if it is the rare exception. 26 victims got paid, but they all lied. I got it now. Short of a video with Jerry molesting a kid, his trial was a lie no matter what. Maybe if gets an appeal, all 26 can testify against him now and some defense attorney will shatter them all. Odds are pretty stacked against that, but I'm just some mean guy for not challenging this naive fantasy.
These holy rollers aren't fighting for justice anywhere else but dear old state because they think/hope somehow this was all one big lie. Some white horse is going to ride in and prove that Jerry was just goofy. It's not going to happen and the man is exactly where he should be. When some actual valid evidence other than attacking the victims surfaces, let me know. People are upset the the image took a hit which is natural. I hate this occurred and the school can't be responsible for one mans sickness. I get that, but Jerry did this to kids. Your mind sometimes doesn't like the real version of what occurred. It happens all the time. You guys want to live in denial about his crimes, feel free. I can speak up on it and those that don't like it can ignore me.
Last edited:
No, you called people phonies because they're championing a known convicted pedophile when it is clear in their minds like those who fought for Carter they see him as wrongfully convicted. It's irrelevant whether Carter had a better case. For you to assume to know the minds of these "phonies" based solely on your circular arguments is truly arrogant. Sandusky was convicted entirely on testimonies yet your argument is that calling those testimonies & witnesses into question is not enough. You're inventing an impossible burden of proof. I'd say because he was convicted entirely on testimonies that his level of guilt will probably forever be unknowable in the truest sense but I can certainly see how both views come from a valid belief. I don't call you a phony simply because you can't offer some level of evidence I've decided to set forth. Simply put, instead of arguing your point you're using ad hominem to dismiss those opposing you.
The only phonies are those who support the BoT, Corbett, Surma and that ilk and who oppose due process.
These are PSU fans/alums and if Jerry was OSU's DC for 30 years you wouldn't be playing mock lawyers screaming for justice. If you honestly think this same group would be this focused on justice had this happened in Columbus, you are out of your mind. The level of evidence is the actual victims testimony. Jerry couldn't even deny being alone with them. Nobody is against justice and justice is being served. Again this is about PSU's image to these guys and that image is spinning Jerry into a victim in their heads. Run with it. Thankfully it's the same ones for years now.
Plenty of people don't support the BoT. They made this about PSU instead of Jerry. There should be anger there, but that doesn't mean Jerry is innocent. Far from it.
Well, there's that. And there's the seven figure pay day they all knew they were about to get.
Penn State sealed Sandusky's fate when they fired Joe. The BOT also did exactly what you're doing. They made a business decision to get out in front of it and threw innocent people under the bus. They bet that it would be less expensive to assume guilt than fighting for true justice in the event the accusations were true. It was a cowardly act.
It's irrelevant what their motive is. An argument can be valid regardless of motive. I'm sure people dismissed the Carter supporters by saying they wouldn't be fighting for Carter if he weren't black. Would that mean the fight wasn't worth it if that were the case? You need to understand that motive does not automatically dismiss argument. Do you actually think these folks fighting for Jerry secretly believe he's a pedo but don't care because it helps PSU? That's a level of cynicism I hope I never reach.
Again. Where Jerry worked is irrelevant to me. He raped kids and his actual victims testified in detail about what he did. Sorry that you choose not to believe them because the school paid them. Carter had a legit beef. Jerry has countless victims but you want to continue carrying on like some magical event will occur any day now. It's not happening because nothing new has come up. Comparing him to Carter is a another disgusting move because your school is more important to you than the actual truth. Live in denial. Jerry raped kids and will die in jail. Sorry some cannot stand to hear that.
I know it's probably a mistake to bring this up but just what leak lead to McQueary and the janitors?
How was Joe's testimony "manipulated"? I don't recall Joe ever suggesting his testimony was anything less than accurate or truthful.
You Effin dope. Joe's testimony was ten years after the fact. He was 80 something years old. Examine yourself, your life, your testimony to facts, then stfu.
Similar threads
