What is this physical evidence that exists a decade later in child molestation cases? Surely JZ planted more seeds than no physical evidence or do you need him to think that out for you too?
Good JZ interview - over an hour [link]
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Discussion? You can't even answer a simple question on physical evidence you think would exist a decade later.
BTW, I was here long before you two trolls came to this site. MtNittany has been here that long. I don't agree with his opinions on Jerry, but he certainly isn't a troll. You can't handle people questioning the bad theories so you avoid the tougher questions. pnny is a known troll on FOS and to many here. You guys are looking for your own free Jerry board and are pissed more haven't joined the lunacy. I think I found the physical evidence you mentioned, I stand corrected. He's innocent and needs that new trial.
BTW, I was here long before you two trolls came to this site. MtNittany has been here that long. I don't agree with his opinions on Jerry, but he certainly isn't a troll. You can't handle people questioning the bad theories so you avoid the tougher questions. pnny is a known troll on FOS and to many here. You guys are looking for your own free Jerry board and are pissed more haven't joined the lunacy. I think I found the physical evidence you mentioned, I stand corrected. He's innocent and needs that new trial.
WRONG there ARE witnesses to corroborate their testimony. Multiple other kids from TSM corroborate JS's behavior. CMHS wrestling coach Miller corroborates AF's story. Licensed Psychologist Chambers corroborates V6's testimony. There are also phone records, hotel records, and other evidence to corroborate the testimony. Apparently YOU aren't familiar with the actual evidence in the case.
P.S. If you think Kato Kaelin or Alan Park are any more credible than the JS victims you may want to go back and review the changes in their stories as well. Since Ziggy uses them specifically...and both changed their stories in the different versions they told.
Wait I thought Shubin was a dirty money grubbing gold digger?
Just your average hammerhead over here who has looked at ALL the evidence.
I can go on and on...
"I'm gonna mock people by calling them the 'Jerry Innocence Project'!! and to mock them further, I'm going to show them that their hero Ziegler is a hypocrite! and I'm going to show how much of a hypocrite he is by proving that OJ is innocent!"
seriously, the dumb on this thread is very powerful indeed . . .
seriously, the dumb on this thread is very powerful indeed . . .
I believe you are referring to Sara Ganim's October 2012 article where Schultz's lawyer, Tom Farrell, attacks the credibility of v2.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/10/jerry_sandusky_victim_2.html
This is not surprising as Farrell was defending Schultz against perjury and failure to report charges for the v2 incident and if v2 were to testify at trial he would need to impeach him. What would you expect Farrell to say after v2 had made contradictory statements, first defending JS before Joe was fired and then making accusations to win a settlement from Penn State?
I am quite certain that Schultz thinks that this person is v2. It will be interesting to see what Spanier, Curley, and Schultz have to say after they are exonerated.
Can you simply provide a number representing the kids that actually testified in a court of law that Jerry "raped" them?
Sure. I think it was 7 or so that stated he either blew them, touched them, or had them touch him. Can you tell me which of these have actually been proven false by an actual credible person or which ones Jerry has denied having access to or being alone with? Maybe one of the other 26 that got paid? Has anyone actually been able to really prove they didn't even know Jerry? Surely one of these criminals is lying as I'm to believe they are all lying if I am to believe JZ. Every last one is a bad person that had it out for JZ or Shubin put a spell on. They all just happen to have been alone with Jerry and they all just wanted that pay day at the expense of a man who was there to help them.
Maybe you can answer the physical evidence question since simon is too chickenSh!t to? What physical evidence would anyone find a decade later when most of these kids weren't even teen agers and testified as adults. What was the evidence that would be found on them? DNA in the hair, mouth? A shirt that they outgrew a decade ago? Underwear too?
Maybe you can answer the physical evidence question since simon is too chickenSh!t to? What physical evidence would anyone find a decade later when most of these kids weren't even teen agers and testified as adults. What was the evidence that would be found on them? DNA in the hair, mouth? A shirt that they outgrew a decade ago? Underwear too?
Another well researched rebuttal. It's almost like I included no other facts of Zigs lies, or you ignore them cause it makes you feel better since you didn't get any money from PSU.
Victim 4 - oral and anal sex
Victim 1 - oral sex
Victim 9 - oral and anal sex
Victim 10 - oral sex
Rape defined in Pennsylvania: 3121. Rape
(c) Rape of a child.--A person commits the offense of rape of a child, a felony of the first degree, when the person engages in sexual intercourse with a complainant who is less than 13 years of age.
Sexual Intercourse defined in Pennsylvania: “Sexual intercourse.”In addition to its ordinary meaning, includes intercourse per os or per anus, with some penetration however slight; emission is not required
"per os" defined per medical dictionary: by mouth
And for anyone who may not recall - there was a portion of the Bob Costas interview that was unaired. This was played in court - but they played the version that was shown on TV, not the unedited version they were supposed to. I remember sitting in court thinking why would they play this interview - but it made sense once I read the part that was cut. This is why the judge instructed the jury to use the transcript provided - the unaired portion of the transcript follows:
Jerry Sandusky: "I'm a very passionate person in terms of trying to make a difference in the lives of some young people," Sandusky said in the interview. "I worked very hard to try to connect with them. To make them feel good about themselves. To be something significant in their lives. Maybe this gets misinterpreted, has gotten depending on. … I know a lot of young people where it hasn't. I have worked with many, many young people where there has been no misinterpretation of my actions and I have made a very significant difference in their lives."
Costas then challenged Sandusky: "But isn't what you're just describing the classic MO of many pedophiles?" he asked. "And that is that they gain the trust of young people, they don't necessarily abuse every young person. There were hundreds, if not thousands of young boys you came into contact with, but there are allegations that at least eight of them were victimized. Many people believe there are more to come. So it's entirely possible that you could've helped young boy A in some way that was not objectionable while horribly taking advantage of young boy B, C, D and E. Isn't that possible?"
Sandusky replied: "Well -- you might think that. I don't know. In terms of -- my relationship with so many, many young people. I would -- I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward. Many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and -- and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life. And I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have -- I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."
Read that again -
He didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that he's helped.
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Stop trying to create an imaginary strawman version of me you can dismiss because you're having trouble comprehending the point I'm making.
The leaks about the investigation being under way lead to both Houser & the janitors coming forward.
Joe's original version was "horsing around" & not "sexual nature" as cited in Baldwin's interview with Joe 9 days before testifying. There are also several other sources quoting Joe using "horsing around" & not "sexual nature". Both Fina & Eshbach sat in on Joe's pre-testimony interview. They were the one's who questioned McQueary at his GJ testimony weeks before. Joe's lawyer has given a signed statement to C/S/S lawyers that the term "sexual nature" was being fed to Joe at that pre-testimony interview by one of the DAs. Joe in later interviews would reaffirm it was "horsing around".
Houser & the Janitors both mentioned learning of the investigation when they came forward.
Joe volunteered the sexual nature characterization. It's wasn't like he was asked a leading question. And he never recanted the comment or said his testimony was less than accurate.
I don't know which interviews you're referencing, or the context of the comments you say he made, but I don't believe he ever told anyone his testimony under oath was not honest and correct.
I don't know which interviews you're referencing, or the context of the comments you say he made, but I don't believe he ever told anyone his testimony under oath was not honest and correct.
Of course, otherwise they would have had no one to come forward to. It had nothing to do with any leak.
LOL, you can try and play both sides of the fence, but it's so GD transparent. Normal people do not fight for "justice" of people they are positive molested multiple children. I was laughing out loud last night when I saw you are one of the f-ing idiots that tweets Ray and others about this crap. Again I ask, what evidence does anyone have that exonerates Jerry Sandusky in any way. So far in 4 years we have AF is an a-hole and the other victims got paid. That about sums it all up in 4 years and that somehow is the shining light proving Jerry was framed by everyone. His victims were of an age that they can remember him and they testified it was him as adults. He managed to get all of these children alone and did so with countless others, but we want to pretend it was just "Jerry being Jerry". The reason his defense was so crappy is he can't even refute being alone with these children. It sucks Joe and PSU took a hit. It sucks the BoT buckled and screwed this thing up, but it is AWESOME Jerry will die in jail The only thing better is if someone got to him in prison as to stop wasting money on that man.
Oh so child sex abuse is all about the numbers for you. Well here's a number: Only 6 young men accused Sandusky before the PSU BoT threw Joe under the bus & made it clear huge lawsuits were inevitable. Of those 6 only half accused JS of an overt sex act. Does that meet your Victim count threshold?
Exactly. Those saying Jerry is actually a pedophile are mean and won't let me hold on to this idea this was all a bad dream and the world will owe us all an apology once we prove Jerry was framed by everyone. You want to talk about delusional. In 4 years they have AF is a-hole and the other victims all lied to take money with no real proof. Jerry couldn't even say that he was never alone with even one of the victims. They also think that physical evidence should have existed from when these now adults were 10 years of age or so. When asked what physical evidence they think would exist, they can't even come up with an answer. They just heard JZ say it 200 times so it's a real thing in their head.
So would you call Alan Myers aka Victim 2 a liar?
LOL Ray blocked me years ago for calling him out on suggesting Alan Myers aka Victim 2 was a fraud. So once again you've totally misjudged in your attempt to dismiss my points via ad hominem. One of my points being that prosecutorial misconduct likely played a big role in PSU's fate. Plus there's the whole precedent set by allowing prosecutor misconduct. But keep attributing false motives and ad hominem to those who disagree with you. You're more like the guy you believe Ziegler is than you're willing to admit.
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Go crawl back in your hole.
What an insightful response filled with well constructed arguments based on facts. I bet your parents are proud.
The fact Ray blocked you speaks volumes. Good call on the whole Poor Jerry thing!!! Do call me out when he walks due to his horrible and unfair trial. Keep hiding behind that, it's cute. You thought PSU was on trial which explains your delusional thought process. You even talk about PSU's fate when Jerry was on trial. You're not guilty of anything. Jerry did this and no matter how badly you want it to be a dream, it's not. Jerry molested kids and he is in jail for life. He ruined people's lives as well as good people at PSU. Yet with no real proof I should think he was the one screwed?
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Wrong. You are inferring facts not in evidence.
Housers email simply says "would be pertinent to the investigation" (to SPM, not the OAG). He never mentions the OAG and it is not unreasonable to assume he thought that it was being investigated locally (hence contacting SPM). Houser has never gone on record saying he knew of the specific OAG investigation and the leak didn't go public until the following year. If he had known specifically about the OAG investigation why wouldn't he email the OAG?
Of course I am not one to believe that Houser just happened to come along this info by chance so....
Adam claims to be a victims advocate yet recklessly posts victims names in public regularly. He should know better. He's a zig-loving brown noser is all....
I never said the leak got to Houser via the OAG although if Scott Paterno's theory is right it very likely could've been how that knowledge trickled into the message boards which is where I believe he got it directly but I have found a strong corralation between Ganim's 2009 tip & the Centre County DA's office.
I think we both can agree there's strong evidence to suggest the investigation was leaked by authorities & probably early in the investigation. That would be a violation of due process under PA law.
You've regressed to using nothing but logical fallacies as your arguments. You literally have nothing useful to offer on this topic. Have a nice day.
And your useful info is what? AF is s dirt bag. The other victims got paid. No physical evidence a decade later. Jerry had an "unfair" trial. Not one of yhise things even hints at him being innocent. Same JZ talking points for 2 years now for over a year. Again, let me know when something new pops or you're ready to attack the next victim.
don't dare question the JZ "theories". You hate PSU to this .0000001%. GD victims ruined their perfect image. They are the real criminals leading Jerry on like that....being young and boys. They knew what they were doing back then too!!!! Shubin hit up AF as a kid and that bombshell is about to drop!!!!!!
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Sometimes I wonder if people actually listen to what they're saying...or read what they wrote.
"Only 6?"
"Only half accused JS of an overt sex act [that's 3 by the way]?"
Is that really your argument? Only 6 accused? How many young men (or women) have accused YOU of child sexual abuse? I can answer that for myself. NONE.
As a victim's advocate, you certainly know that victims hardly ever tell about their abuse. The publicity of this case allowed others to come forward and tell their truth. Not just against Sandusky, but about the abuse they suffered in their own lives. I, personally, have had hundreds of people reach out to me, some telling for the first time, of being raped as children. 1:4 girls and 1:6 boys are sexually abused by the age of 18; 90% by someone they know; 68% by a family member. Most never tell. [edit note - Often times I go back and edit for spelling errors, etc. I deleted "most never tell" because it was redundant - I had already said previously that victims hardly ever tell about their abuse. But since PSUUNC is now saying I was trying to hide something, I am putting it back in. It's still a true statement. See stats below (I will come back and edit again to include a link to those)]
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BULLSHIT, make up your mind. You clearly said the LEAK led to Houser coming forward. Yet there is no evidence ANYWHERE suggesting Houser knew anything about the leak. Houser never said he knew of the OAG investigation. If he HAD he would have reported to the OAG, not SPM. He reported that he spoke with
If most never tell, then this cannot be an accurate statistic.
Either most never tell, therefore it is way more than 1 in 4/1 in 6 (which seems VERY unlikely because then basically everyone is a victim of abuse)
OR
Some "advocate" like yourself has abused (pun intended) statistics in a gross/negligent way and extrapolated actual reported abuse into "assumed" abuse.
As other have pointed out before, this forum is not the appropriate venue for your crusade. Please go elsewhere.
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