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When it comes to protecting children, every forum is appropriate. And last I checked, Tom McAndrew's name in on this board. If he wants me to leave, I'm sure he'll show me the door.
You are welcome to put me on ignore if you don't like my message. However, be aware that today, a child is being abused and may need your help. A child may need you to speak up on their behalf.
The numbers aren't necessarily accurate . Fact is no on really knows for sure what they are but they are significant .
It's not like if it was 1/20 like that would be a good thing. Roxine is using inaccurate numbers but her take on how victims respond is accurate .
But I only question the numbers because how they came about is in question . I do not question that many are abused or sexually assaulted and they don't report it. I say it's a significant amount and I would believe 1/100 or more would be a serious problem number wise to call it widespread , common, or whatever descriptor you chose to say a lot.
It's not like if it was 1/20 like that would be a good thing. Roxine is using inaccurate numbers but her take on how victims respond is accurate .
But I only question the numbers because how they came about is in question . I do not question that many are abused or sexually assaulted and they don't report it. I say it's a significant amount and I would believe 1/100 or more would be a serious problem number wise to call it widespread , common, or whatever descriptor you chose to say a lot.
Point of fact:
1. Roxine said "victims hardly ever tell about their abuse", not most never tell. Words matter.
2. The statistics are based on further scientific study. In some cases an abuser admits to the abuse or is caught in the act and the child still denies it. In other situations the abuse is judged to have occurred based on corroborating evidence (both physical and circumstantial) but may not match 100% the victims story. The statistics are our best estimate based on all evidence.
So your logic is entirely faulty. Scientific studies give us avenues to investigate further than just asking the child. Thanks for playing.
Yes. He has demonstrably, objectively lied multiple times in his accounts about several things and is unlikely to be the boy in the 2001 incident.
Elvis, I understand your hesitancy - but I have done extensive research on this subject. Below are a few links with more information supporting the data I've provided. I know it's an alarming thing to embrace - but this is WHY child sexual abuse continues to happen. No one wants to face it for what it truly is.
Research in support of the numbers: (I certainly didn't make these numbers up)
Research conducted by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimates that approximately 1 in 6 boys and 1 in 4 girls are sexually abused before the age of 18. “Child Sexual Abuse: What Parents Should Know,” American Psychological Association. (http://www.apa.org/pi/families/resources/child-sexual-abuse.aspx) (February 19, 2014) https://www.nsopw.gov/(X(1)S(ddpap1...stics?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1#reference
Advocacy Center.org - 1:3 girls/1:5 boys sexually abused by age 18 http://theadvocacycenter.org/adv_abuse.html
Child Lures Prevention - http://www.childluresprevention.com/research/report.asp
Incidence of Sexual Abuse
1 in 4 girls is sexually abused before the age of 14.
1 in 6 boys is sexually abused before the age of 16.
Source: Hopper, J. (1998). Child Sexual Abuse: Statistics, Research, Resources. Boston, MA Boston University School of Medicine.
Cleveland Rape Crisis Center - http://www.clevelandrapecrisis.org/resources/statistics/about-child-sexual-abuse
1:4 girls/1:6 boys sexually abused by age 18
Most children don't tell even if they have been asked.
- Over 30 percent of victims never disclose the experience to ANYONE.
- Young victims may not recognize that they have experienced sexual abuse.
- Almost 80 percent initially deny abuse or are tentative in disclosing. Of those who do disclose, approximately 75 percent disclose accidentally. Of those who do disclose, more than 20 percent eventually recant even though the abuse occurred.
- Fabricated sexual abuse reports constitute only 1 to 4 percent of all reported cases.
National Child Traumatic Stress Network.org - http://nctsn.org/nctsn_assets/pdfs/caring/ChildSexualAbuseFactSheet.pdf
Myth: Child sexual abuse is a rare experience.
Fact: Child sexual abuse is not rare. Retrospective research indicates that as many as 1 out of 4 girls and 1 out of 6 boys will experience some form of sexual abuse before the age of 18.1 However, because child sexual abuse is by its very nature secretive, many of these cases are never reported.
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ignore her, she's a fake "advocate" who set up her "non profit" in her home, where she runs her own "business"
Roxine said:
Just think, while you are here wasting your time, in the last place on earth that needs to hear your message, you could be helping those children.
Words do matter, which is why Roxine had to go back and edit her original post when I called her out this. Please see the quoted text in my post -- it preserves her original text before she whitewashed it. She definitely wrote "most never tell".
Thanks for being both wrong and condescending (drops mike).
Nah, the children all lie. I mean spending time fighting for Jerry's justice is a really great cause. Holy sh!t I'm laughing out loud just typing this.
I did cite the scientific studies. See above
So because I set up my non-profit in my home, that makes me a fake advocate? And because I ran (past tense) a business out of my home also - then I am ... what? Lying?
My name is Roxine Behrens, President of Tree-Climbers.org - a charity for victims and survivors of childhood sexual abuse. While we are a public charity in good standing, we are not currently soliciting donations. I do advocacy on behalf of victims. I work with some of the survivors of Jerry Sandusky and their families. At one time, when my husband was laid off, I ran a side business out of my house (while working full time and going to school for my MBA). I currently work for the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) and hold a Top Secret Security Clearance. Trust me, I've faced more scrutiny from the IRS and OPM than you can ever try to do, Simons.
You can find Tree Climbers status via the IRS Select Check: https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/pub78S...patchMethod=searchCharities&submitName=Search
EIN - Legal Name - City - State - Country - Legal Status
45-4729500 Tree Climbers Inc. Clarksburg MD United States PC
I am 100% transparent. I am also a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. And I won't be silent any longer.
"of a sexual nature"
"after discussing with Joe"
Or maybe words only matter sometimes?
by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimates that approximately 1 in 6 boys and 1 in 4 girls are sexually abused before the age of 18.“Child Sexual Abuse: What
Notice the word , estimates . That's why I say they're not extremely accurate . I'm not arguing it's not a serious problem and if it was slightly less like 1/11 or 1/15, I'd say it deserves more attention than it gets .
You don't need to convince me that it's serious .
Notice the word , estimates . That's why I say they're not extremely accurate . I'm not arguing it's not a serious problem and if it was slightly less like 1/11 or 1/15, I'd say it deserves more attention than it gets .
You don't need to convince me that it's serious .
Those are not scientific studies, but carry on.
There is nothing wrong with being an advocate, but you should be focusing your attention on the PA child protective agencies, not on PSU.
Words do matter in those instances too, which is why it is so egregious that you are taking them out of context.
Just curious what did "Black Elmo One" do to get banned?
Who's to stay she doesn't advocate to them? It doesn't have to be either or, and it looks like some folk here need to have some attention focused on this by how the act.
They attack victims , claim jerry was innocent ? I've met some similar folk in real life. So advocacy is necessary IMO .
They attack victims , claim jerry was innocent ? I've met some similar folk in real life. So advocacy is necessary IMO .
I amend my initial statement. MANY never tell.
It doesn't change the fact that Adlee was arguing that there were ONLY 6 victims accusing Jerry Sandusky before Joe Paterno was fired - and ONLY 3 of them that claimed rape.
You choose, instead, to play semantics with most/many rather than to address the real issue - that there were only 6 victims...
(As an aside - Research indicates that the 1 in 6 and 1 in 4 numbers may be LOW, because there are so many cases that are NEVER reported. And this is a US Statistic. When you look to India, for example, the number goes up to 1 in 3 children who are raped before age 18) https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/india0113ForUpload.pdf
Irony: Zig is self-employed, lives off of rental income and a trust fund, "syndicates" his radio show by purchasing air time on stations through Salem Media Group, and has NEVER released his financials. They love that "real" advocate for child molesters though.
How is that different than what you did? You assumed that Roxine took her statistics straight from only what a victim says as opposed to viewing totality off evidence.
This thread is not about PSU - it's about John Ziegler - a pedophile protector who continually harasses, stalks, and names victims of childhood sexual abuse and their families.
And from some of the comments here, it is apparent that education is desperately needed here. Forget Jerry Sandusky's victims - there are people in your life today who are survivors of childhood sexual abuse. There are kids you may know who are being abused today. And if I say one thing that triggers that for you - that makes you pause and say - wait, something's just not right - then perhaps a child will not have to know what far too many of us know.
And how are the CDC, the American Psychological Association, and Dr. Hopper not scientific studies?
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Please explain to me what I took out of context?
I quoted Roxine who then had to go back change her original post, she knows she is wrong (and has since admitted it). YOU tried to call me out, when I was the one who was correct.
I don't see any links to those organizations (nor do I have any clue who Dr Hopper is).
You posted links to three advocacy websites.
You can invent all the statistics you like, but your conclusions do not pass even basic common sense. There is ZERO chance that 25% of children are sexually abused. Just not possible.
It's always great when Black Elm disease adds his 2 cents. Agenda driven and contextually dishonest!!!
Gorey 1997 - 22.5% of Females, 8.5% of males (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213496001809)
Putnam 2003: F-16.8%, M - 7.9% (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0890856709605591)
WRT your ignorance of taking Roxine's post out of context it was the "um all I did was add 4 and 3 and it doesn't fit with the word "most" so you have to be wrong" (paraphrasing there). You never considered the CONTEXT of other factors in the estimations of child abuse prevalence.
Putnam 2003: F-16.8%, M - 7.9% (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0890856709605591)
WRT your ignorance of taking Roxine's post out of context it was the "um all I did was add 4 and 3 and it doesn't fit with the word "most" so you have to be wrong" (paraphrasing there). You never considered the CONTEXT of other factors in the estimations of child abuse prevalence.
LOL
UNCbumpkin: You're wrong about the stats! Post scientific studies to back yourself up!
Advocate: Here are multiple studies performed by scientists
UNCBumpkin: Those are made up!
Must be nice living in a self-perpetuating circle jerk where you can make up your own realities.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6421a1.htm?s_cid=mm6421a1_w#Fig
Sexual violence against children erodes the strong foundation that children require for leading healthy and productive lives. Globally, studies show that exposure to violence during childhood can increase vulnerability to a broad range of mental and physical health problems, ranging from depression and unwanted pregnancy to cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and sexually transmitted diseases, including human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) (1,2). Despite this, in many countries, the extent of sexual violence against children is unknown; estimates are needed to stimulate prevention and response efforts and to monitor progress. Consequently, CDC, as a member of the global public-private partnership known as Together for Girls,* collaborated with Cambodia, Haiti, Kenya, Malawi, Swaziland, Tanzania, and Zimbabwe to conduct national household surveys of children and youth aged 13–24 years to measure the extent of violence against children. The lifetime prevalence of experiencing any form of sexual violence in childhood ranged from 4.4% among females in Cambodia to 37.6% among females in Swaziland, with prevalence in most countries greater than 25.0%.
...Swaziland had high reported prevalence of sexual violence among females (37.6%). Reported sexual violence among females in Zimbabwe also was high (32.5%), yet Zimbabwe had a considerably lower reported prevalence of sexual violence against males (8.9%). Haiti had high prevalence rates for both males (21.2%) and females (25.7%). Cambodia reported the lowest rates for both females (4.4%) and males (5.6%).
Please try to bully me with very clever put down like "Bumpkin." I'll put my PhD and knowledge of statistics ahead of yours any day of the week.
I do not have access to those journal via ScienceDirect (my scientific field is un-related to that field), therefore I cannot assess their viability, but even looking at the abstract shows that this does not support Roxine's assertion:
Quoting from Gorey and Leslie 1997 "adjusted for operational definitions (excluding the broadest, noncontact category) they were 14.5% and 7.2%".
What this means is that when you normalize the data you end up with 15% and 7%, which is very different from 25% and 16% (which is what she asserted).
So you feel free to keep citing papers that don't support your position. Nice work.
You are going against some seriously sick puppies here. I'm glad it's you instead of me because I can only take them in small doses. You do seem to have some smart
allies.
Hey folks, no reason to ratchet things within your responses. Take a deep breath, and relax.
Sandusky's Second Amended Petition for Post Conviction Relief is now available from the Centre County website:
http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/media/upload/SANDUSKY SECOND AMENDED PCRA PETITION.pdf
The petition is 158 pages plus appendices. There are now 34 issues identified in the seconded amended PCRA.
Sandusky also has a new attorney on his team, J. Andrew Salemme.
http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/media/upload/SANDUSKY SECOND AMENDED PCRA PETITION.pdf
The petition is 158 pages plus appendices. There are now 34 issues identified in the seconded amended PCRA.
Sandusky also has a new attorney on his team, J. Andrew Salemme.
As a PhD, I'm sure you know one article does not a statistic make.
I did your research for you on one recent CDC report. I can certainly pull up more as I do have access to my University's online database. You will have to let me get home as my carpool will be leaving shortly.
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