Grad transfer Carr

[heckmans]

You don’t understand, Art.

The only hot takes with any validity are those that are completely without any traces of logic, common sense, or substantiation.
Obviously.

After all, this is a social media sports board, for crying out loud.

...and Norm just designated himself as the most valid guy on the internet.

 

[Art]

Well,
Jerry rice went to Mississippi Valley State
Andre Reed went to Kutztown
Marques Colston went to Hofstra
Shannon Sharpe went to Savannah State
Donald Driver went to Alcorn State
Antonio Gates went to Kent State
Terrell Owens went to UT-Chattanooga


It's DII, but Carr is a DII All-American while facing double teams on most plays. He has good size (6'2"). His brother is Austin Carr, who played for Northwestern and currently plays on Sundays in NOLA. Will his DII success translate to the P5? Will he be a star? IDK, but this isn't exactly as big a stretch as you try to make it.

Of the schools you listed, only Kutztown is D2. Kent is FBS, the rest FCS (or so Hofstra was went it still had a football program).

 

[Madsol]

So if I have an opinion which isn't all sweetness and light, I'm a "giant prig?" At least when I express an opinion, I attempt to back it with something substantive, which in your mind is "a desperate attempt to show the breadth of his knowledge on every subject." There are a myriad of positive opinions people express on a range of subjects on which I don't comment, but somehow I won't allow them. Or do I have to sprinkle holy water them by indicating agreement to get with the program?

Tell you what, don't like me if it creates such emotional conflict for you.

There is not a single piece of substantive evidence that you can cite that supports your claim that THIS GUY will be a bust. Nor is there any substantive evidence that someone can cite that supports a claim that he will have a big impact. Nothing. It's pure speculation. You seem to be pretty heavily invested in this thread to be the one to throw shade on anyone's enthusiasm about this guy. IMHO it's because it makes you think that you're smarter than all of the peons who wear blue and white glasses and have faith in our coaches. Oh...and the fact that stormingnorm is supporting you only strengthens my belief.

 

[MJG-90]

Kind of puts the lie to the off heard "we are so loaded with talent -"

Does it? We'll see I guess. I took this as more of a depth move than any indication that our young talent isn't developing as expected.

 

[Thomas1945]

I just peeked in to read about the new kid Carr, and instead found a WWE smack down thread. Quick somebody post a pic of greased up girls in bikinis wrestling in a cage match to round things out.

 

[Art]

There is not a single piece of substantive evidence that you can cite that supports your claim that THIS GUY will be a bust. Nor is there any substantive evidence that someone can cite that supports a claim that he will have a big impact. Nothing. It's pure speculation. You seem to be pretty heavily invested in this thread to be the one to throw shade on anyone's enthusiasm about this guy. IMHO it's because it makes you think that you're smarter than all of the peons who wear blue and white glasses and have faith in our coaches. Oh...and the fact that stormingnorm is supporting you only strengthens my belief.

And you can't cite an instance where I said he would be a a bust. Go ahead, knock yourself out.

 

[marshall23]

Let's just agree that Franklin should run future grad transfer by us so we can be sure they are up to our standards.

 

[sluggo72]

There is not a single piece of substantive evidence that you can cite that supports your claim that THIS GUY will be a bust. Nor is there any substantive evidence that someone can cite that supports a claim that he will have a big impact. Nothing. It's pure speculation. You seem to be pretty heavily invested in this thread to be the one to throw shade on anyone's enthusiasm about this guy. IMHO it's because it makes you think that you're smarter than all of the peons who wear blue and white glasses and have faith in our coaches. Oh...and the fact that stormingnorm is supporting you only strengthens my belief.

this is where this all started, someone made this statement, "
Seems like franklin is committed to putting the best receivers he can get on the field and is giving no promises to seniority. One of these transfers is going to start.
I bet this guy starts, actually. Shorter will be the starter on one side with Campbell backing him up, Carr on the other side with Dotson backing him up, and Hamler in the slot."
Art said he wouldnt bet on that. I wouldnt either especially for the first 4 games or so. And if one of those guys started in the first 4 games, imo it will be due to others being injured.
As great a talent SB was, how much did he play in the first game? And after that, how long did it take him to become the starter?
I hope the guy can contribute and be a factor, all any of us want is to see PSU win, but saying he will be a day 1 starter, I believe is a stretch, because, based on what?
I think we shipped better talent out to Eugene then what we gained with this transfer.

 

[marshall23]

Why in the world would EVERYONE want to "agree" to something that - to the best of my knowledge - NO ONE has advocated for?

Grad Transfers are the new normal. The NCAA didn't ask our opinions, unless I missed the ballot. Perhaps, I should rephrase and suggest that CJF run all recruits that will occupy a scholarship by this august body?

 

[Art]

Grad Transfers are the new normal. The NCAA didn't ask our opinions, unless I missed the ballot. Perhaps, I should rephrase and suggest the CJF run all recruits that will occupy a scholarship by this august body?

If you pay attention, the "new normal" may disappear, or at least dissipate, in the not too distant future. So you may wish to re-phrase your suggestion to have Franklin run all recruits by us that might occupy two scholarships.

 

[Thomas1945]

Grad Transfers are the new normal. The NCAA didn't ask our opinions, unless I missed the ballot. Perhaps, I should rephrase and suggest the CJF run all recruits that will occupy a scholarship by this august body?

You power hungry megalomaniac, it’s amazing how quickly you went from sticking your nose under the tent to wanting to control everything.

 

[marshall23]

If you pay attention, the "new normal" may disappear, or at least dissipate, in the not too distant future. So you may wish to re-phrase your suggestion to have Franklin run all recruits by us that might occupy two scholarships.

If I pay attention will I be as smart as you?

 

[djr4rebs]

we shipped better talent out to Eugene then what we gained with this transfer.

Are we still talking potential out of high school? Considering both entered the portal instead of opting for the draft, it's hard to discern much beyond that. I haven't seen Carr play, but anybody who thinks Johnson was anything but underwhelming in his time at PSU is severely overrating the Iowa touchdown catch.

 

[sluggo72]

Are we still talking potential out of high school? Considering both entered the portal instead of opting for the draft, it's hard to discern much beyond that. I haven't seen Carr play, but anybody who thinks Johnson was anything but underwhelming in his time at PSU is severely overrating the Iowa touchdown catch.

true especially when I saw him make this play, I knew he had no potential at all....

 

[Art]

If I pay attention will I be as smart as you?

No.

 

[marshall23]

No.

That's what I thought you would say. A bridge too far.

 

[djr4rebs]

true especially when I saw him make this play, I knew he had no potential at all....

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So, we are hanging his career on 2 plays?

If I had my choice, Johnson would still be here, but I'm not going to lament his greatness that never came to be. Irv Charles has one less play to hang his hat on.

 

[sluggo72]

So, we are hanging his career on 2 plays?

If I had my choice, Johnson would still be here, but I'm not going to lament his greatness that never came to be. Irv Charles has one less play to hang his hat on.

Bill Walsh told his coaches, if he sees a player do something good, it was their job, to make sure he did it every time. Kid has shown what he could do, know it was CJF's job to get him to do it all the time. Thats all.

 

[djr4rebs]

Bill Walsh told his coaches, if he sees a player do something good, it was their job, to make sure he did it every time. Kid has shown what he could do, know it was CJF's job to get him to do it all the time. Thats all.

Remind me again, did we have Montana and Young at QB? Guys like that made Walsh's life a lot easier.

At Eugene, Johnson will have the benefit of a projected first round QB throwing him the football. However, that isn't necessarily going to fix his hands issues. If anything, it makes the pressure to be great higher.

 

[sluggo72]

Remind me again, did we have Montana and Young at QB? Guys like that made Walsh's life a lot easier.

At Eugene, Johnson will have the benefit of a projected first round QB throwing him the football. However, that isn't necessarily going to fix his hands issues. If anything, it makes the pressure to be great higher.

what does Montana and Young have to do with this?

 

[djr4rebs]

what does Montana and Young have to do with this?

About as much as Walsh does.

 

[indynittany]

Nice post Marshall, but lets clarify a bit. "more losses in the transfer portal than any other program". right and it did cause the board some concern.
"now Franklin fills out the scholarship roster -" Well yea, and doesn't that suggest that there may be a bit of a "lack of talent" ?
"some people are never happy-" Not me I'm pleased with the situation, just realistic.
"I see experienced depth-etc_" Yea I do too and a few glaring holes as well

In the end, what matters most is the production we get from the kids we bring in relative to what we could have expected from the kids who transferred out.

I would have preferred JJ had stayed. Monroe too. But I doubt either would have started in the fall. Otherwise, I don't think we're losing much from either side of the ball. That's not a knock on kids like Dalton, just the recognition of how stacked we are in some spots.

OTOH, Brisker, Wingham (sp?), Carr and Campbell come in at positions now lacking experienced depth.

Ideally, I would have liked to see some of the kids stay, who declared for the draft. We suddenly became a very young team. The additions we're making from these transfers has me feeling better about our depth and leadership.

 

[heckmans]

Of the schools you listed, only Kutztown is D2. Kent is FBS, the rest FCS (or so Hofstra was went it still had a football program).

Art, I know you like to pick part the most minute details of the least controversial posts and tell people they are wrong, (I don't know what in your background created the insecurity that drives your need to feel superior in this manner) but I never stated the schools were D2. The point of my post is that there are players who were not P5 or FBS ready at 18yo, but developed late. The number isn't huge, but it's a number. Carr has the potential to be a contributor at PSU at a young and thin WR position for 2019.

 

[Art]

Art, I know you like to pick part the most minute details of the least controversial posts and tell people they are wrong, (I don't know what in your background created the insecurity that drives your need to feel superior in this manner) but I never stated the schools were D2. The point of my post is that there are players who were not P5 or FBS ready at 18yo, but developed late. The number isn't huge, but it's a number. Carr has the potential to be a contributor at PSU at a young and thin WR position for 2019.

There is nothing more than a dislike of poorly constructed arguments. Someone wants to say "I think Joe starts," that's fine, just leave it at that. But then when it has to be justified with genetic predispositions, and John went to the same school, and Bob and Tom and Mike played in the same league and made the NFL, then it's time to unscrew heads and watch the sand flow out.

 

[GregInPitt]

In the end, what matters most is the production we get from the kids we bring in relative to what we could have expected from the kids who transferred out.

I would have preferred JJ had stayed. Monroe too. But I doubt either would have started in the fall. Otherwise, I don't think we're losing much from either side of the ball. That's not a knock on kids like Dalton, just the recognition of how stacked we are in some spots.

OTOH, Brisker, Wingham (sp?), Carr and Campbell come in at positions now lacking experienced depth.

Ideally, I would have liked to see some of the kids stay, who declared for the draft. We suddenly became a very young team. The additions we're making from these transfers has me feeling better about our depth and leadership.

I don't really believe any grad transfer player that shows up in June is going to add to the team's leadership. Leaders really need to be in the program more than a couple of months before the season starts to have an impact (as a leader). The seasoned WR's coming in may make an impact playing,and set an example for consistency as the season goes along by making some tough catches, especially if a couple of the young WR's are not really ready for prime time, but I like our young WR's with the 6 that have been on the team for over a year (Hamler, Dotson, Shorter, CSB, Hippenhammer, George). Does anyone really believe that one of the GT WR's will come in to Fall practice and be a starter? I just don't see it.

A bigger question for me is if the the grad transfers CJF brings in add to special teams. Monroe was a good ST player. Hopefully the young talent such as Smith and Dixon will be terrors on ST's.... It would be great to add a GT olinemen to come in as a backup and then be a solid special teams player as well. But there again, I just don't see a GT olinemen coming in and breaking into a starting spot given the talent already in the program and the short time the GT's will have to learn the play book and try and make a move up the depth chart.

 

[Option Bob]

Good points, Greg. I doubt either Campbell or Carr starts over Shorter, Hamler, and Dotson.

However, in listening to James' comments, I get the feeling that he just wants some older guys in the WR room to perhaps guide the 4 sophomores (Hamler, Dotson, Hippenhammer, Sullivan-Brown) and 4 freshmen (George, Shorter, Dunmore, Jones).

Without the additions of Campbell and Carr, the only upperclassmen are former walk-on Lutz and walk-on Chisena.

Just my opinion.

 

[indynittany]

I don't really believe any grad transfer player that shows up in June is going to add to the team's leadership. Leaders really need to be in the program more than a couple of months before the season starts to have an impact (as a leader). The seasoned WR's coming in may make an impact playing,and set an example for consistency as the season goes along by making some tough catches, especially if a couple of the young WR's are not really ready for prime time, but I like our young WR's with the 6 that have been on the team for over a year (Hamler, Dotson, Shorter, CSB, Hippenhammer, George). Does anyone really believe that one of the GT WR's will come in to Fall practice and be a starter? I just don't see it.

A bigger question for me is if the the grad transfers CJF brings in add to special teams. Monroe was a good ST player. Hopefully the young talent such as Smith and Dixon will be terrors on ST's.... It would be great to add a GT olinemen to come in as a backup and then be a solid special teams player as well. But there again, I just don't see a GT olinemen coming in and breaking into a starting spot given the talent already in the program and the short time the GT's will have to learn the play book and try and make a move up the depth chart.

I was thinking more of leading by example, not so much in the vocal sense. Maturity. Knowledge of the game. Work ethic.

I'm thinking of Carr, more than anyone, simply because of how solid his brother was at NW.

WR, IMO, is a position where a transfer could come in and start. Less likely at OL.

 

[heckmans]

There is nothing more than a dislike of poorly constructed arguments. Someone wants to say "I think Joe starts," that's fine, just leave it at that. But then when it has to be justified with genetic predispositions, and John went to the same school, and Bob and Tom and Mike played in the same league and made the NFL, then it's time to unscrew heads and watch the sand flow out.

Let me simplify it so that even you can understand. He was a DII AA and he is 6'2". Smarter FB people than you, think he might be able to contribute.
Now go back to examining the deficiencies in you life that cause you to be a know it all that has to have the last word. It's truly sad and I hope one day you figure it out. Maybe seek some professional help. I'm really not kidding about that. You'll probably be much happier once you sort things out.

 

[Art]

Let me simplify it so that even you can understand. He was a DII AA and he is 6'2". Smarter FB people than you, think he might be able to contribute.
Now go back to examining the deficiencies in you life that cause you to be a know it all that has to have the last word. It's truly sad and I hope one day you figure it out. Maybe seek some professional help. I'm really not kidding about that. You'll probably be much happier once you sort things out.

And where have I said that he can't "contribute," shithead? You wanna play, let's fvcking play!

 

[heckmans]

And where have I said that he can't "contribute," shithead? You wanna play, let's fvcking play!

Thank you for taking this further down the rabbit hole and proving my point Art. Get some help my friend.

 

[Delco Lion]

Just let it die.....

 

[Judge Smails]

A healthy Juwan Johnson watched true frosh Justin Shorter get two times the snaps in the bowl game. That is probably the real reason that he transferred. He saw the writing on the wall. Shorter took a long time to recover from the dislocated kneecap in the summer. But he would have been a bigger factor in 2019 than Johnson even if Johnson hadn't transferred.

 

[marshall23]

A healthy Juwan Johnson watched true frosh Justin Shorter get two times the snaps in the bowl game. That is probably the real reason that he transferred. He saw the writing on the wall. Shorter took a long time to recover from the dislocated kneecap in the summer. But he would have been a bigger factor in 2019 than Johnson even if Johnson hadn't transferred.

It seems that CJF talked people off the ledge if he thought their options were better staying (transfer thoughts or entered the portal) as in Wade and Toney......if he didn't talk JJ into staying, he probably felt it best (for him) to move on.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

It seems that CJF talked people off the ledge if he thought their options were better staying (transfer thoughts or entered the portal) as in Wade and Toney......if he didn't talk JJ into staying, he probably felt it best (for him) to move on.

OR

Maybe JJ resents CJF for how he was used the end of the year. All we have is pure speculation.

 

[Judge Smails]

OR

Maybe JJ resents CJF for how he was used the end of the year. All we have is pure speculation.

What isn't speculation is the number of snaps Johnson and Shorter received in the bowl game.

 

[MacNit07]

I like Art but sometimes he can be a gigantic prig. And this thread is exhibit 1. In a desperate attempt to show the breadth of his knowledge on every subject, he simply won't allow people to express positive thoughts on a new player without trying to drag this new kid down. Who cares if some people might be overly optimistic about this new WR? It's all speculation. Some are speculating from an optimistic perspective and Art is speculating from a pessimistic perspective. It's just opinion. We'll find out soon enough who was right.

What do you like so much about Art?

 

[Woodpecker]

What do you like so much about Art?

 

[Art]

Thank you for taking this further down the rabbit hole and proving my point Art. Get some help my friend.

The only point you have is the one you love to sit on.

Stay tuned, folks, this is gonna be fun.

 

[Pocono Lion]

OR

Maybe JJ resents CJF for how he was used the end of the year. All we have is pure speculation.

With all due respect to JJ, the way he was used at the end of the year was a direct reflection on how he performed earlier in the year.

 

[tboyer]

OMG this is a no brainer. Anybody remember Carr's brother at Northwestern? He drove defenses crazy. The guy just got open and made plays. This Carr is made of the same stuff.

Of course PSU is loaded at receiver but most of it is potential at this point. This guy has made catches in actual live college football games for three years now. PSU has nobody like that.

I think it's a great fit and I don't think he's coming here to just be another body in the receiver room. Really Carr shows a lot of courage coming to PSU knowing the talent that is already here. He is expecting to play.

Hamler is a fantastic player but defenses are going to be totally focused on him this fall. In third down situations PSU needs 3 wides and a TE who will catch anything. I wouldn't mind at all if the three wideouts are Hamler, Dotson and Carr. Shorter could be the greatest talent of them all but last season showed that we need to be patient and give him time to develop.