Hawks 34 Boiler makers 3

[nitlion6]

No big surprise the Hawks completely overwhelmed the Boilermakers.

What was surprising is the Hawks scored exactly zero backpoints. Maybe they should learn that Zain stall ride.

Boilermakers, I hate auto correct

 

[LemonPie]

Purdue is all kinds of awful. The only matches to take anything out of in this dual are 141, 157, and 197. I have no clue what happened to Ayersman here. Maybe it's time to give Topher Carton a little credit, but still.... we're talking 141. Not surprised Kem didn't get the major. As much as I like him, Griffin can usually keep it close. Wilcke is pretty much what we'd have out of Stout if he were starting.

Iowa is probably who everyone thinks they are. That's a good thing.

 

[nitlion6]

Iowa probably is exactly who most knowledgeable people know them to be. Tough, well conditioned athletes who if they have an exceptional tournament could make a serious run at 4th place.

 

[Azchief32]

Iowa probably is exactly who most knowledgeable people know them to be. Tough, well conditioned athletes who if they have an exceptional tournament could make a serious run at 4th place.

Haha...you're a funny guy.

 

[tomsc]

Haha...you're a funny guy.

Any word when Stoll will be back? January?

 

[Azchief32]

Any word when Stoll will be back? January?

Best guess is after Midlands.

 

[Pennstate1985]

I would be concerned that nothing close to back points occurred against a team like Purdue. TD's will be at a premium against better teams, and practicing turning combos can be the difference in March. I'd be more upset than happy with today's match if I were a fan.

 

[Law-Deezie]

No backs...very surprising!

 

[WildTurk]

No big surprise the Hawks completely overwhelmed the Boilermakers.

What was surprising is the Hawks scored exactly zero backpoints. Maybe they should learn that Zain stall ride.

Boilermakers, I hate auto correct

You only posted this because of the backpoint stat. It was a beat down on Turkey weekend. Meyer scored 25 points. I'll take it

 

[nitlion6]

Haha...you're a funny guy.

First, with Penn State, Okie State and Ohio State loaded for bear what makes you think I was being funny?
Second, others liked it.

 

[nitlion6]

You only posted this because of the backpoint stat. It was a beat down on Turkey weekend. Meyer scored 25 points. I'll take it

The Hawks kicking the snot out of Purdue is not exactly news worthy. From a team with championship aspirations nothing resembling a pinning combination other than Clark's single swipe against a team that was absolutely overwhelmed is a bit news worthy. So yeah, the reason I posted it was the lack of back points statistic. So?

 

[WildTurk]

The Hawks kicking the snot out of Purdue is not exactly news worthy. From a team with championship aspirations nothing resembling a pinning combination other than Clark's single swipe against a team that was absolutely overwhelmed is a bit news worthy. So yeah, the reason I posted it was the lack of back points statistic. So?

Well, i guess a non-newsworthy dual between Iowa and Purdue was reason enough for you yack about it on a PSU message board?

 

[WildTurk]

I mean you did create the thread about a non-newsworthy dual in which Iowa rolled correct?

 

[RoarLions1]

Even on a Penn State board, I wouldn't sleep on the Hawks. 7 bonus points, and they didn't have their best guys at 165 and 285. Turning guys may be their Achilles heel, though it's way early in the season and they might not have been all that up for the Purdue Dual.

 

[nitlion6]

Well, i guess a non-newsworthy dual between Iowa and Purdue was reason enough for you yack about it on a PSU message board?

As I posted immediately above this post of your's is, yes I do believe a team with championship aspirations wrestling against a team that the Hawks had an overwhelming edge on in talent, conditioning and training capabilities - to show no interest in turning their opponents did strike me as news worthy.

Were you expecting or maybe hoping the effort, or lack thereof, to go unnoticed?

 

[WildTurk]

As I posted immediately above this post of your's is, yes I do believe a team with championship aspirations wrestling against a team that the Hawks had an overwhelming edge on in talent, conditioning and training capabilities - to show no interest in turning their opponents did strike me as news worthy.

Were you expecting or maybe hoping the effort, or lack thereof, to go unnoticed?

Can you an FineMaterial please get the next PSU dual scores up on Hawkeye Report asap. Its newsworthy back home if you say so

 

[nitlion6]

Can you an FineMaterial please get the next PSU dual scores up on Hawkeye Report asap. Its newsworthy back home if you say so

Don't understand why you want me to post the Penn State Lehigh score on HR. It will be broadcast on BTN, and by the time I get home from the BJC you guys will already have a 2 or 3 page thread going.

 

[Azchief32]

First, with Penn State, Okie State and Ohio State loaded for bear what makes you think I was being funny?
Second, others liked it.

Tough, well conditioned athletes who if they have an exceptional tournament could make a serious run at 4th place.

Because you contradict yourself. You have three teams ahead of us (that's fair)...so who do we have to have an "exceptional tournament (against) to make a serious run at 4th?" By definition, if we perform to (your) standard, wouldn't an "exceptional" tournament give us a serious run at a title? BTW, I have already said that we would likely be at 4th on HR...but that's if we are at ho hum level. If we blow it, less...if we come to wrestle, more.

 

[matter7172]

I think the bottom line is Iowa couldn't get a single backpoint in a match against a weak team. That, in and of itself, is weak.

 

[El-Jefe]

No big surprise the Hawks completely overwhelmed the Boilermakers.

What was surprising is the Hawks scored exactly zero backpoints. Maybe they should learn that Zain stall ride.

Boilermakers, I hate auto correct

Iowa probably is exactly who most knowledgeable people know them to be. Tough, well conditioned athletes who if they have an exceptional tournament could make a serious run at 4th place.

Apparently more swipes in this thread than in the dual.

 

[seeyajohn]

This is a thread that went nowhere.

 

[nitlion6]

Because you contradict yourself. You have three teams ahead of us (that's fair)...so who do we have to have an "exceptional tournament (against) to make a serious run at 4th?" By definition, if we perform to (your) standard, wouldn't an "exceptional" tournament give us a serious run at a title? BTW, I have already said that we would likely be at 4th on HR...but that's if we are at ho hum level. If we blow it, less...if we come to wrestle, more.

Since Virginia Tech finished ahead of the Hawks last year and Missouri looks legitimately tough as nails this year it is my opinion the Hawks will have to wrestle a good tournament to get on stage for the team presentation.
Of course you will probably have 3 finalists so you have the foundation in place for a good tournament.

 

[amalone]

Iowa probably is exactly who most knowledgeable people know them to be. Tough, well conditioned athletes who if they have an exceptional tournament could make a serious run at 4th place.

These words have a certain ring to them that I recognize. Did I birth you?

 

[Azchief32]

I think the bottom line is Iowa couldn't get a single backpoint in a match against a weak team. That, in and of itself, is weak.

Can't argue with that...lack of back points and pins will be our undoing unless it changes.

 

[amalone]

Can't argue with that...lack of back points and pins will be our undoing unless it changes.

In today's wrestling world as Chief is well aware... that extra AA through bonus points can separate winning the title or having to accept a smaller sized NCAA Trophy that you might want to "Ramos" the thing.

 

[Azchief32]

Since Virginia Tech finished ahead of the Hawks last year and Missouri looks legitimately tough as nails this year it is my opinion the Hawks will have to wrestle a good tournament to get on stage for the team presentation.
Of course you will probably have 3 finalists so you have the foundation in place for a good tournament.

Now had you said that initially, I would have agreed in some fashion. I still think 4th holds true if we wrestle as expected. We did not last year...Not winning a title, two of our guys falling to 8th, and not having a HWY hurt us. This year, we will have a better 57,65 (if Marinelli) and HWY while only losing Burak. Also think our 41 situation is going to be better.

 

[amalone]

Now had you said that initially, I would have agreed in some fashion. I still think 4th holds true if we wrestle as expected. We did not last year...Not winning a title, two of our guys falling to 8th, and not having a HWY hurt us. This year, we will have a better 57,65 (if Marinelli) and HWY while only losing Burak. Also think our 41 situation is going to be better.

But Chief... in all fairness 57 and 65 are raw for Iowa and both weight classes aren't slouch weight classes and who do you think is going to be better at 41? And after not putting up any swipes in a match against Purdue.... I mean Penn State bonused the hell out of #12 Stanford and had 4 pins.

 

[Pennstate1985]

Now had you said that initially, I would have agreed in some fashion. I still think 4th holds true if we wrestle as expected. We did not last year...Not winning a title, two of our guys falling to 8th, and not having a HWY hurt us. This year, we will have a better 57,65 (if Marinelli) and HWY while only losing Burak. Also think our 41 situation is going to be better.

Bet you wish you still had Burak. still don't understand that decision.

 

[Azchief32]

Bet you wish you still had Burak. still don't understand that decision.

Nope. It is what it is. I'm guessing Burak had a lot to do with the choice not to shirt. But than I am not one to look back on those things.

 

[nitlion6]

Now had you said that initially, I would have agreed in some fashion. I still think 4th holds true if we wrestle as expected. We did not last year...Not winning a title, two of our guys falling to 8th, and not having a HWY hurt us. This year, we will have a better 57,65 (if Marinelli) and HWY while only losing Burak. Also think our 41 situation is going to be better.

Saying it the way I did initially put more joy in my heart.

 

[WildTurk]

I for one am not worried. It is what it is. Backs and pins will come along the way. It was a beat down anyway you look at it. Purdue has a good coach and is headed in the right direction. Im just glad im not a Minnesota fan.. How many backs, pins and points did they score?

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Eric Montoya is not impressed

 

[diggerpup]

I dont see the big deal.

Sure, it is odd the Hawks didn't earn any back points, but the Hawkeyes had the following wins:

Gilman 25-10
Carton 19-8
Sorensen 17-6
Kemerer 10-3
Meyer 25-10
Brooks 20-9

That's a lot of takedowns.

And it's not even December.

 

[liex26]

Yeah, I really don't see the issue here. Hawks dominated, as expected. I didn't see the dual so can't comment on any individual match, but sometimes teams just belly out. All this kind of talk will do is fuel those hawks in March, I like them where they've been lately and would like them to stay there.

 

[moug]

Yeah, I really don't see the issue here. Hawks dominated, as expected. I didn't see the dual so can't comment on any individual match, but sometimes teams just belly out. All this kind of talk will do is fuel those hawks in March, I like them where they've been lately and would like them to stay there.

Nobody outside the arena saw the dual, but that's another thread

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Nobody outside the arena saw the dual, but that's another thread

Eric Montoya is not impressed!!

 

[moug]

Eric Montoya is not impressed!!

I rather enjoyed AZChiefs response though.

 

[nitlion6]

Yeah, I really don't see the issue here. Hawks dominated, as expected. I didn't see the dual so can't comment on any individual match, but sometimes teams just belly out. All this kind of talk will do is fuel those hawks in March, I like them where they've been lately and would like them to stay there.

If fan banter on a wrestling forum is what it takes to fire them up in March - they will at best be staying where they have been.

 

[minnhawkeye]

Bet you wish you still had Burak. still don't understand that decision.

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Was Burak's choice he had spent a year the OTC and 4 years at Iowa just wanted to get on with his life. He did not want to start his Social Security while still in school like some do..

 

[slushhead]

I seriously doubt wrestlers at this level can be "extra" motivated by message board talk. HS yes, but college D-1? Maybe a guy here or there in a small program. But in the B1G -- and at Iowa, no less? No way.

A poster (not this forum) once accused me of costing Matt Brown a B1G championship (2014) because my ragging on Mike Evans somehow gave him extra motivation to beat Brown in the semis. C'mon man.