Hope springs eternal - Jake Ryan and Nolf

[Chickenman Testa]

Thread on Ohio wrestling board re: next year had this post:

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Discussion Topic: 2017-18 Bucks
Liam Bateman added to this discussion on March 28, 2017


I could not disagree with you more, Michael. We contest well at every weight, other than 149 and 157, and will be favorites in 4. Micah will figure out how to get out, or at least not get turned; don't forget that he has taken Zain down multiple times. If Jake gets healthy and finds a gas tank he can keep it at a decision with Nolf; don't forget that Jake was competing well with the big dogs rather nicely last year. Campbell is a solid transfer and Romero's ceiling is sky high; Joseph can and does get beat and is not a bonus point machine in any fashion. I think we split matches with them easily and on a good day we take 6 of 10. The question is can we keep the bonus points out of the equation. Only time will tell....

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People have figured out Ryan's constant front headlock "attack".

 

[SWPA]

I enjoy some fictional reading every once in a while.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I think the solution is - more deadlifting!

 

[jrd23psu]

Thread on Ohio wrestling board re: next year had this post:

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Discussion Topic: 2017-18 Bucks
Liam Bateman added to this discussion on March 28, 2017


Joseph can and does get beat and is not a bonus point machine in any fashion.

Ryan isn't competing with the big dogs, that's ridiculous. However, this part about Joseph is wishful thinking and obviously whoever wrote it didn't pay attention to Joseph at all this past year.

VJ had four losses. He had an early loss to Subjeck in his second match of the year. That loss is the outlier of his four losses. His three other losses came to guys at the top of the weight class. One of them was to Ike, who is an NCAA runner-up himself and the other two losses were to IMar.

The idea that VJ can and does get beat is something a tOSU fan says to convince himself that PSU is beatable. You can beat VJ if you're a stud (NCAA runner-up or 2X champ) but otherwise you're going to have to get really lucky, and the chances of that happening next year is incredibly slim. VJ isn't a rookie wrestling his second match anymore.

VJ was only a RS freshman last year and you could see how much he developed from the beginning of the season to the end. VJ will also be a bonus point machine next season much to the dismay of tOSU fans.

 

[dunkej01]

The only way MJo is beating zain is if he can elist the help of the flu.

Even then its 50/50 at best.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Interesting that Ryan went for a 165 transfer instead of 157. Wonder if Burcher gets a chance to wrestle off at 157?

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I think the solution is - more deadlifting!

Sorry, but the solution is clearly more tanning sessions - it's so obvious you probably missed it.

 

[PSU Mike]

The only way MJo is beating zain is if he can elist the help of the flu.

Even then its 50/50 at best.

Jordan is clearly closing the gap: he held Zain to 16 points at B1Gs, down from 20 in the dual.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Ryan isn't competing with the big dogs, that's ridiculous. However, this part about Joseph is wishful thinking and obviously whoever wrote it didn't pay attention to Joseph at all this past year.

VJ had four losses. He had an early loss to Subjeck in his second match of the year. That loss is the outlier of his four losses. His three other losses came to guys at the top of the weight class. One of them was to Ike, who is an NCAA runner-up himself and the other two losses were to IMar.

The idea that VJ can and does get beat is something a tOSU fan says to convince himself that PSU is beatable. You can beat VJ if you're a stud (NCAA runner-up or 2X champ) but otherwise you're going to have to get really lucky, and the chances of that happening next year is incredibly slim. VJ isn't a rookie wrestling his second match anymore.

VJ was only a RS freshman last year and you could see how much he developed from the beginning of the season to the end. VJ will also be a bonus point machine next season much to the dismay of tOSU fans.

If I remember correctly, VinJo gave up 12 points in the 1st period of the Subjeck match due to over-aggression and lack of patience on mis-executed throws that took him to his own back. He ended up outscoring Subjeck pretty significantly in the 2nd and 3rd, but it was just not quite enough to overcome the two major first period mistakes. By the end of the year, VinJo was tossing everyone at the NCAAs with no mistakes or poor timing - in fact, the opposite was true, the "feet-to-back" moves were set up beautifully....and people say Cael & Co. can't coach, LOL....

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Jordan is clearly closing the gap: he held Zain to 16 points at B1Gs, down from 20 in the dual.

You'd think St Paris Graham coaches would start taking the criticism from one of their most famous alums (DT) seriously about failing to emphasize mat wrestling. If Jordan hadn't learned to get out from bottom now, a short offseason isn't going to help much.

 

[nitlion6]

Jordan has taken Zain down multiple times (twice) Zain has put Jordan on his back and damn near broke him in two at Bigs and some overly optimistic NatureNut thinks there is a chance?

The love of a father is powerful. Tom Ryan who understands the brutality of the sport and watched helplessly as his son took a beating so severe he staggered around BJC like a drunken college student refused to allow his son to face Jason Nolf when the next competitive opportunity presented itself. That father's love will probably protect his son from that onslaught and yet some NatureNut (ball in this case) thinks Jake Ryan can keep it to a decision.

Cenzo is getable? After Cenzo lost to IMar in the Big10 semi-finals has anybody in Ohio paid attention to his next 7 matches?

Yes it appears BoJo should be right there with Hall, but come on. Next year Mark is in his second year in a college wrestling room and he is a few pounds bigger and stronger. BoJo's opportunity was this year.

Bo is simply better than Martin. Martin has shown an ability to measure a slightly off Bo - but day in day out Bo is at a level Martin isn't.

To win against Penn State, Tomasello needs to be at a weight other than Suriano's.

141 and 197 are unknowns, but a healthy Casser has in the past been equal to Moore and if Nick Lee gets the nod.

NatureNuts might be looking for fantasy finishes, but that's OK. Offseasons are the time to make believe. Reality will slap the goofy nuts soon enough.

 

[nitlion6]

The only way MJo is beating zain is if he can elist the help of the flu.

Even then its 50/50 at best.

Then it's only 50/50 if Zain is receiving IV fluids and he is made to wrestle while holding an IV pump in one hand.

 

[BigFreddy]

Micah will figure out how to get out, or at least not get turned; don't forget that he has taken Zain down multiple times.

Let's also not forget that in two matches vs. Zain, Micah has given up a total of 12 NF points, which is more than (edit: actually, the same amount as) Zain, Nolf, Nickal, and Suriano have given up in their 241 career matches combined.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Jordan has taken Zain down multiple times (twice) Zain has put Jordan on his back and damn near broke him in two at Bigs and some overly optimistic NatureNut thinks there is a chance?

The love of a father is powerful. Tom Ryan who understands the brutality of the sport and watched helplessly as his son took a beating so severe he staggered around BJC like a drunken college student refused to allow his son to face Jason Nolf when the next competitive opportunity presented itself. That father's love will probably protect his son from that onslaught and yet some NatureNut (ball in this case) thinks Jake Ryan can keep it to a decision.

Cenzo is getable? After Cenzo lost to IMar in the Big10 semi-finals has anybody in Ohio paid attention to his next 7 matches?

Yes it appears BoJo should be right there with Hall, but come on. Next year Mark is in his second year in a college wrestling room and he is a few pounds bigger and stronger. BoJo's opportunity was this year.

Bo is simply better than Martin. Martin has shown an ability to measure a slightly off Bo - but day in day out Bo is at a level Martin isn't.

To win against Penn State, Tomasello needs to be at a weight other than Suriano's.

141 and 197 are unknowns, but a healthy Casser has in the past been equal to Moore and if Nick Lee gets the nod.

NatureNuts might be looking for fantasy finishes, but that's OK. Offseasons are the time to make believe. Reality will slap the goofy nuts soon enough.

You would think that reality would have slapped the goofy out of the Sucknuts this year, but alas most Sucknuts have shown a "core strength" in goofiness.

 

[nitlion6]

You would think that reality would have slapped the goofy out of the Sucknuts this year, but alas most Sucknuts have shown a "core strength" in goofiness.

Its the deadlifts.

 

[El-Jefe]

The only way MJo is beating zain is if he can elist the help of the flu.

Even then its 50/50 at best.

He's gonna need the long bus ride and average officials as well, just to get to 50/50.

 

[El-Jefe]

Thread on Ohio wrestling board re: next year had this post:

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Discussion Topic: 2017-18 Bucks
Liam Bateman added to this discussion on March 28, 2017


I could not disagree with you more, Michael. We contest well at every weight, other than 149 and 157, and will be favorites in 4. Micah will figure out how to get out, or at least not get turned; don't forget that he has taken Zain down multiple times. If Jake gets healthy and finds a gas tank he can keep it at a decision with Nolf; don't forget that Jake was competing well with the big dogs rather nicely last year. Campbell is a solid transfer and Romero's ceiling is sky high; Joseph can and does get beat and is not a bonus point machine in any fashion. I think we split matches with them easily and on a good day we take 6 of 10. The question is can we keep the bonus points out of the equation. Only time will tell....

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People have figured out Ryan's constant front headlock "attack".

The funny thing about the Ryan comments is that's exactly wrong -- healthy with gas tank is the worst case scenario.

Demonatrated fact: the only way he can hold Jason to anything less than TF is via repeated injury and "injury" stoppages.

 

[NittanyLion84]

6 out of 10 is laughable, being generous, they only have a prayer of getting 4.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I could picture the dual being close when looked at match by match, but it never seems to work out that way. tOSU will sit somebody, or PSU will have a guy wrestling much better than anyone would have guessed early in the year.
125- Nick MD 4-0
133-Nato MD 4-4
141- Hayes dec. 4-7
149- Zain tech. 9-7
157-Nolf tech. 14-7
165- Cenzo MD 18-7
174- Hall dec. 21-7
184- Bo dec. 24-7
197- Moore dec. 24-10
285- Snyder MD 24-14

Sorry tanners but the match just won't work out. I could see PSU winning 141 to boot. A guy has to believe in something, but he may be a religion of one. Any time you are facing PSU and your chances hinge on keeping Zain or Nolf from scoring bonus you might as well punt because that dog won't hunt.

 

[RoarLions1]

Not sure it's fair to cherry-pick one post from a 6-page thread, and pass it on as the mainstream thinking of tOSU fans. The thread referenced has some great posts, so to be fair-and-balanced, I recommend reading them all.

 

[PSUoh90]

A lot of their fans, much like Iowa fans, are beginning to complain about how our dominance is bad for the sport and how they want to see more parity. However, when has their ever really been parity in the sport?

In very general terms, we started with OK State (or whatever they were called in the early years) dominance for a long time, to Iowa State dominance, to Iowa dominance (again, for a long time), back to OK state, another mini Iowa run, now to current Penn State dynasty.

Sure, mixed in there somewhere you have a little Minnesota, Ohio State, and even Arizona State success, but for the most part, the history of the sport has been dominated in streaks by the same few programs.

I don't know why now the lack of parity is suddenly ruining the sport. I too like see parity in sports, but, I only want to see PSU become more and more dominant.

 

[PSUisawesome]

Jordan is clearly closing the gap: he held Zain to 16 points at B1Gs, down from 20 in the dual.

Closing the gap is an understatement. Micah's performance was riveting... or was he riveted?

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Closing the gap is an understatement. Micah's performance was riveting... or was he riveted?

The current gap:

 

[El-Jefe]

A lot of their fans, much like Iowa fans, are beginning to complain about how our dominance is bad for the sport and how they want to see more parity. However, when has their ever really been parity in the sport?

In very general terms, we started with OK State (or whatever they were called in the early years) dominance for a long time, to Iowa State dominance, to Iowa dominance (again, for a long time), back to OK state, another mini Iowa run, now to current Penn State dynasty.

Sure, mixed in there somewhere you have a little Minnesota, Ohio State, and even Arizona State success, but for the most part, the history of the sport has been dominated in streaks by the same few programs.

I don't know why now the lack of parity is suddenly ruining the sport. I too like see parity in sports, but, I only want to see PSU become more and more dominant.

Because the newest dominant team reaches bigger markets. We wouldn't want that. Smh.

 

[El-Jefe]

The current gap:

The current gap:

 

[El-Jefe]

A lot of their fans, much like Iowa fans, are beginning to complain about how our dominance is bad for the sport and how they want to see more parity. However, when has their ever really been parity in the sport?

In very general terms, we started with OK State (or whatever they were called in the early years) dominance for a long time, to Iowa State dominance, to Iowa dominance (again, for a long time), back to OK state, another mini Iowa run, now to current Penn State dynasty.

Sure, mixed in there somewhere you have a little Minnesota, Ohio State, and even Arizona State success, but for the most part, the history of the sport has been dominated in streaks by the same few programs.

I don't know why now the lack of parity is suddenly ruining the sport. I too like see parity in sports, but, I only want to see PSU become more and more dominant.

They're frauds. If you want parity in the sport, start rooting for Edinboro.

 

[RoarLions1]

Some of that stuff is hooey (There I said it!!). Not sure I understand some of our fan responses to this stuff. Take it as a badge of honor...no response is needed...focus on the good stuff happening inside OUR ROOM.


Read below for someone that, imo, gets it.

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/01/iowa_wrestling_coach_tom_brand.html

 

[Clarion167]

I root for all PA teams except the one that rhymes with s$&t

 

[mcruny42]

Cenzo's freshman year bonus rate was actually higher than Zain's (although Zain was a true Frosh). Either way I would expect Cenzo's bonus rate to increase a bit next year.

 

[yekrut321]

But but but but the buckeyes have such big muscles!!!!

 

[PSUoh90]

Cenzo's freshman year bonus rate was actually higher than Zain's (although Zain was a true Frosh). Either way I would expect Cenzo's bonus rate to increase a bit next year.

Not sure I've seen a PSU wrestler under Cael improvement so much over the course of one season. Maybe Nico freshman year?

 

[Lyons212]

A lot of their fans, much like Iowa fans, are beginning to complain about how our dominance is bad for the sport and how they want to see more parity. However, when has their ever really been parity in the sport?

In very general terms, we started with OK State (or whatever they were called in the early years) dominance for a long time, to Iowa State dominance, to Iowa dominance (again, for a long time), back to OK state, another mini Iowa run, now to current Penn State dynasty.

Sure, mixed in there somewhere you have a little Minnesota, Ohio State, and even Arizona State success, but for the most part, the history of the sport has been dominated in streaks by the same few programs.

I don't know why now the lack of parity is suddenly ruining the sport. I too like see parity in sports, but, I only want to see PSU become more and more dominant.

Ask an Ohio State if they think them beating Michigan in football every year for 10 years is bad for the sport and conference. Somehow I think the answer would be along the lines of "that's different". Its always bad for the sport if your team is not the one dominating.

 

[El-Jefe]

Not sure I've seen a PSU wrestler under Cael improvement so much over the course of one season. Maybe Nico freshman year?

Quentin Wright sophomore year?

 

[Pennstate1985]

Not sure I've seen a PSU wrestler under Cael improvement so much over the course of one season. Maybe Nico freshman year?

The tank from 08-09 to 09-10 in Cael's first year. 23-19 and 8th to 33-7 and 5th, but the improvement in form was astounding. Think what could have been if Cael was a better coach.

 

[RoarLions1]

I'd suggest we look at the wrestler too, among other things. Cael sets the culture, the message, the tone and mood in the room...which is awesome, and conducive to learning and improving...but the wrestler has to have the desire, buy in, potential, etc., even saying he (the wrestler) has to minimize all the other distractions in their life (by keeping up with studies, managing nutrition and sleep and weight control, watching their socials lives, and more). (Man, that was a long sentence!)

Laying it all on Cael as some zen master where everyone automatically gets better isn't looking at it "big picture".

 

[boroscott]

They're frauds. If you want parity in the sport, start rooting for Edinboro.

Come on over! We need all the fans we can get. I think we do well within the limits in place. I kinda cheer for you when it isn't us, so you may as well do the same!

 

[diggerpup]

"Jake Ryan v Jason Nolf"

That sounds like an R-rated movie.
- excessive violence
- high body count

Definitely not safe viewing for kids.

Parental discretion advised.

 

[El-Jefe]

"Jake Ryan v Jason Nolf"

That sounds like an R rated movie.
- excessive violence
- high body count

Definitely not safe viewing for kids.

Snuff film.

 

[csiebott]

Let's also not forget that in two matches vs. Zain, Micah has given up a total of 12 NF points, which is more than Zain, Nolf, Nickal, and Suriano have given up in their 241 career matches combined.

Thats amazing. I can think of 8 Nickel gave up off the top of my head. Have the three other than Bo ever given up any?

 

[PSUcup1]

Thats amazing. I can think of 8 Nickel gave up off the top of my head. Have the three other than Bo ever given up any?

Jason got thrown at the Keystone Classic this year, but i cant recall if he gave up NF points after the TD. i think he did (a 2 Point NF) but am not 100% sure