This game was the last shot for a really meaningful season and we got a clear answer. From here out, Allar needs to get more playing time, as a starter or coming in for meaningful reps. Yes, 10-2 is a nice season, but it just puts us in with the best of the second tier. Think that getting much more play time for Allar is more important than 10-2 and if he comes on as we expect or hope, 10-2 with more playing time for Allar can happen.
Hope the Clifford lovers are happy
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You keep pretending Allar is the answer to all of our problems. He's not.
Steelers fans thought when Pickett started it would solve all of our problems. It didn't. The offense is worse now. Clifford isn't going to lead us to the playoffs but he's not the main problem either.
Puts everyone performance in context so you are not fooled by raw one sides stats.
You do the same thing you accuse OP of. I know this - Clifford made mistakes that put us in a hole. He helped us dig out of it, then made a couple more big mistakes. This is not 1988 - you aren't talking about throwing a raw freshman 3rd or 4th-stringer who just arrived into the game due to injuries. You're talking about a guy who's had elite QB coaching prior to getting to PSU, has done the major QB camps, graduated early to spend the spring here, and won the backup job as a true freshman.
Then he should have started week 1. You don't go to him in this game. We can pretend whatever we want but he had the lead at 16-14 before the defense flopped and then our RT decided he had enough for the day
The 2nd one--receiver didn't come back for the ball. Watch Clifford immediately yell at him after the pick.
The fumble was on the RT
We can blame 1 and 4 on him but also watch the RT get embarrassed yet again on the final turnover.
Very rarely is a pick just on the QB. Sometimes, sure, but receivers often play a role.
I don't understand why you think I love Clifford
I wanted Clifford to start week 1. I'm just a realist. You believe Allar is the next Peyton Manning or something insane where despite almost no action he'd have came in today and moved the ball. Again--see the Steelers fans that thought Trubisky was the issue--he wasn't. We have bigger issues.
Why do people keep saying 4 interceptions?
I'm all for starting Allar next week--that was my plan before we even played Michigan
He's not a D2 QB...do you even know what D2 is?
If you want to say he shouldn't be at a high level P5 school or even half of FBS that's great but you're ruling him out of all of G5 and FCS. Stop. You're exaggerating.
And you're an A**hole who also shouldn't be anywhere near the internet. Your Shtick has gotten OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you said we couldn't beat Minnesota with Clifford. You're wrong a lot.
The reality is once he didn't start against Purdue he was never going to start until after Ohio State. I've been telling you that "for a while" and did the BWI people.
And, sadly, because of a NY6 bowl Allar might not start next week.
Allar is the future--you don't destroy the future for now when the team isn't very good
No--you said we couldn't beat Minnesota as well
I said we weren't beating them with either which was true
Sigh--you have to own what you say
And the second you say D2 it looks like you don't know anything about football
So, you didn't say all week last week that you want Allar to start against Minnesota? And to beat Minnesota we needed to play Allar? You wanted Clifford to play?
Out of those 3 needs I believe the easiest to find would be a better MLB/Mike, if PSU's NIL would come through for a player from a 2nd tier P5 program.
Space eating DT's that can consistently disrupt the running game are in demand hard to find. When we consider that PSU has a good many high 3 and 4 star DT's on the roster but still can't develop them from a strength and size perspective it might take Franklin and Scott getting lucky and some how attracting a top 50 DT in the 2024 class before we see improved DT play.
Hard to field great OT's when it seems that Franklin and his staff miss yearly on their top OT targets and year after year don't bring in multiple OT's either. And if there ends up being a very good OT available in the portal he's more likely to end up on a team with a more legit chance at the payoff or a team with more NIL $.
To compete with the big boys Franklin needs a couple legit deep threat WR's. It seemed that Tinsley would have a great chance to provide that deep ball production but he wasn't much of a factor today with his 5 catches for 24 yards (4.8 yds/catch) on 7 targets. Other than Washington, the only deep threat I see on the roster is KLS. Some how the staff needs to get him more into the game plan on a consistent basis with part of the issue being some injuries he has had.
Sean is what he is. A decent player. Some weeks he shines. This week he made some good plays. But unfortunately, he also made some mistakes...and against the Ohio States of the world, you can't do that. Coming in, I said we needed another Minnesota-type performance from Sean, and above all, we needed him NOT to make mistakes, especially turnovers. He failed in that department, and it hurt us bad.
That said, we outplayed Ohio State for 50 minutes of this game. But it's the same old story: you have to finish, and we didn't. We took a 21-16 lead, appeared to have momentum, appeared to have a real shot at the big-time upset...and then the D folded. The Bucks proceeded to roll down the field on, three plays to take the lead back. Failure to make plays in crunch time kills us in these big games. You can't put that on Clifford alone, though as the QB, obviously a lot rides on his shoulders.
The rest of the way, yes, I'd like to see Allar get some serious playing time. I'm not saying bench Sean, but work Allar into the mix for meaningful minutes. At the end of the day, it's the same old song, different year, and that's frustrating for sure.
That said, we outplayed Ohio State for 50 minutes of this game. But it's the same old story: you have to finish, and we didn't. We took a 21-16 lead, appeared to have momentum, appeared to have a real shot at the big-time upset...and then the D folded. The Bucks proceeded to roll down the field on, three plays to take the lead back. Failure to make plays in crunch time kills us in these big games. You can't put that on Clifford alone, though as the QB, obviously a lot rides on his shoulders.
The rest of the way, yes, I'd like to see Allar get some serious playing time. I'm not saying bench Sean, but work Allar into the mix for meaningful minutes. At the end of the day, it's the same old song, different year, and that's frustrating for sure.
I'm sick of all this talk about his leadership and that he's the heart and soul of the team, when you look at how sloppy he is after all his experience here?
My gosh, everyone is worried that Allar isnt ready, but look at Clifford and tell me that he was ready today. I'm not for throwing Allar to the wolves, but its time to rip the bandaid off and give him the time he needs.
My gosh, everyone is worried that Allar isnt ready, but look at Clifford and tell me that he was ready today. I'm not for throwing Allar to the wolves, but its time to rip the bandaid off and give him the time he needs.
A disturbing common theme in these big games is the D giving up big plays in crunch time. Started in the Rose Bowl vs U$C and has continued for 5+ years. Just utter meltdowns when we absolutely cannot afford them. We have become quite good at it vs O$U. Different D coordinator, same result.
Clifford is who he is. No one expected 4 turnovers but when pressed against elite competition he does not hold up well. We still lose that game minus the turnovers. It is bigger than that. We don't have a winning mentality in these big games as defined as vs scUM and O$U.
The reality is Allar will not start. Of course Franklin recognizes Allar is the future and knows how valuable it is to give him meaningful playing time. The rub is he knows how important 10-2 is for optics and his own personal brand. If he can go 10-2 or even 9-3 he can distract from the scUM and O$U losses. My question is if we should be concerned that Allar has not elevated his game to seriously challenge Clifford?
Clifford is not that great but Allar must not be performing at his level in practice. Yeah, there could be other political factors in play but it does make you wonder upon seeing Clifford perform and then knowing the hype around Allar why can't Allar challenge for more PT?
It’s all about mental and physical toughness.
We need someone who can instill it. Pronto.
We had it for a good part of the game but when it really counts it all falls apart. It's like we woke up and said wait, a 5pt lead, 9 minutes to go okay collapse time. O$U is good but not that good to just steamroll us the last 9 minutes. No excuses.
Ok troll. What's the main problem? And answer the question or ONCE AGAIN u have been exposed.
All good points, and you're right, the pattern started in that great Rose Bowl game.
Yesterday we outplayed a better team and took a 4th quarter lead with 9 minutes to play. Your D has contained Ohiio State's explosive offense all afternoon. You need a stop, or at worst make them eat up clock and hold them to a FG. So what happens? Three friggin' plays to move the length of the field and take the lead back. Three plays. Nothing to it.
OK, this looks bad, but we're still in it. Behind by 2 midway through the 4th quarter. A FG puts us back in the lead. We need some first downs and a score of some kind. So what happens? An immediate turnover which the Bucks immediately capitalize on to take a 9-point lead.
At that point, we all knew the ending to the movie as we'd seen it a number of times before. A 4th-quarter meltdown against a strong opponent. I hate to say it, but it's become the trademark of the Franklin era.
Oh well, call me a fool, but I'm not giving up on the season. 10-2 followed by a nice bowl win is stll pretty good and something to shoot for. It's better than most anyone expected back in August. But I would like to see Allar get meaningful playing time.
