The fact you still think I'm a troll is laughable
Didn't you swear I was going to be gone after the Michigan game?
Hope the Clifford lovers are happy
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Didn't you swear I was going to be gone after the Michigan game?
I was critical of Franklin not going for a FG at that juncture too. However, after seeing Pinegar miss twice from a similar distance but fortunately get bailed out on each occasion by penalties, who knows. The critics conveniently overlook the fact that Franklin went for it on 4th down after the second "missed" FG and converted for a first down and then went for it on 4th and 1 and scored to take the lead 21 to 16. Unfortunately, the defense then gave up a TD in 3 plays and immediately thereafter Clifford had a strip sack and OSU scored on the very next play. IMO Franklin not trying a 35 yard FG to try to go up 17-16 falls pretty far down the list of why the team lost on Saturday. Actually, the list is pretty short: PSU 4 turnovers; OSU no turnovers.
Though if we were to lose to Indiana this week.. which would take us out of a Top Tier Bowl game.. then one would assume we def see more of Allar for remaining three games.
Clifford appears to be more mobile than Allar..
I would have hate to see Allar run for his life most of the season while the OL tried to improve.
Many D1 QB’s will be great… if they have solid receivers and a top OL..
Ohio State QB is just average.. if he did not have the receiving unit and OL that he has…
So with all this said… I would rather have Clifford starting this year vs the freshman Allar,,
but Allar could def be getting MORE playing time no doubt this year tomorrow dim for 2023…
Clifford appears to be more mobile than Allar..
I would have hate to see Allar run for his life most of the season while the OL tried to improve.
Many D1 QB’s will be great… if they have solid receivers and a top OL..
Ohio State QB is just average.. if he did not have the receiving unit and OL that he has…
So with all this said… I would rather have Clifford starting this year vs the freshman Allar,,
but Allar could def be getting MORE playing time no doubt this year tomorrow dim for 2023…
LOL. Very unlikely.
Clifford played a great game. Thinking otherwise demonstrates your own ignorance of the game.
I'm not sure at what point exactly Sean came over to your house and pissed in your Cheerios, but give it a break dude. Barring 3 (possibly 4) fluky turnovers, he outplayed the Heisman candidate on the other sideline.
He isn't a Heisman QB, but is a VERY good QB.
Allar will be great. Next year and beyond. But this team is Sean's. Give it a rest.
I think all the ints were his fault, but you can argue otherwise. The pick 6 for sure - JTT knew exactly what he was doing before he did it. The pick to JTT vs. Allen where Clifford looked at Allen and yelled at him could be on Allen, but I still say is Clifford's fault - he's got to see defender lurking there. The first intercepted pass was flat and he either didn't see the lineman there or thought he could get one past him. DL are typically taught to put their hands up, so you have to recognize where he's at and either not throw it or throw it over the lineman.
I understand your perspective, but I think QBs often "thread the needle" around DL with their hands up. Stroud had a pass that went through TWO sets of hands of PSU D-linemen. Tipped balls (and DL INTs for that matter) are probably (in aggregate) more than 75% luck. OSU D-lineman made some great plays. It's OK to admit that rather than pin all of the blame on Clifford.
The pass to Allen may have been a bad read. A WR (Tinsley?) was open 7 yards farther downfield to the same side. And Allen may have been in the wrong spot. But Allen also got 2 hands on the ball and didn't do anything to shield the ball with his body.
So it's not that any of the turnovers were "good plays" but people killing Clifford are just looking at the stat line and not actually considering the nature of the turnovers (e.g. the Purdue pick six was a really bad throw; I'm not sure any of the three INTs on Saturday were really bad throws).
Fair, I just think you can't absolve him of everything. Yes, their DL played great. But you start a 6th-year guy over a more physically-talented younger player to avoid the things that happened. Maybe it would have happened to just about any QB, but we've seen Clifford make these types of mistakes in big games. Stroud, not so much, and he'd be benched if he did. Franklin seemed to think they were bad plays. Clifford made some great plays on Saturday, but the bad ones kind of outweighed them.
I don't, but I know that Saban didn't hesitate to pull his starter when he wasn't playing well, and I feel like Day is from that cloth. Both Bryce Young and CJ Stroud remind me of each other in that they can get knocked around most of the game, but they rarely turn the ball over and they make plays when they have to.
I don't think Stroud would have been benched had the scenario played out the way in did on Saturday given his track record. Day does seem like he'd be quicker to make a change if it was necessary. Franklin is very loyal.
You're making me agree with PSU2UNC--we don't like to agree
Pretending Clifford was fully to blame for the turnovers is simply denying reality
Allen may not have “shielded the ball with his body” but I don’t think he got 2 hands on the ball. I just watched in ultra slow motion and it doesn’t look like the ball ever got to him with 44 getting his hand in there before it ever gets to Allen.
I didn't say it got to him first. They both had hands on it. You can tell from the motion of the DL's hands that he is essentially ripping it away from Allen. Either way, probably wrong read by Clifford, but Allen could have helped him out by being in the right spot and being aware of coverage.
