Huh??

[PSUer1989]

This is my first post, but I have been reading many wrestling boards for a couple of years. This was over on HR and I have no idea what it is talking about! Any clarification, or is it more "slush fund" and jealousy talking...
"Now, there are some real questions and loop holes with financial assistance being offered to wrestlers competing during a grey shirt or a red shirt year from an organization that supports "the sport," but only seems to support wrestlers that are competing for a certain school...cough cough...Penn State...cough cough. We will see the NCAA making some official policy regarding that situation quite soon. Penn State will not get in any trouble or be punished, but you can tell by Cael's comments that he is uncomfortable discussing the topic and even nervous. According to the current administrators what is going on is not against the rules. However, most people recognize that this is a loophole and the NCAA will be closing this loophole soon. I am surprised Iowa, Ohio State, and Oklahoma State's boosters aren't taking advantage while it is still open. Although, I understand why they delayed, as it could have easily be interpreted as a serious violation resulting in serious sanctions and devastate a program's future."

 

[PSUcup1]

This same poster in another thread defending Gilman made the statement that "Quentin Wright was no choir boy". Nothing more needs to be said as Wright, was for all intent and purposes,in fact a choir boy

 

[PSUer1989]

This same poster in another thread defending Gilman made the statement that "Quentin Wright was no choir boy". Nothing more needs to be said as Wright, was for all intent and purposes,in fact a choir boy

Makes sense...thanks!

 

[Pennstate1985]

Why would Cael be nervous if it's within the rules? I love the internet.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Saw that and commented on it.

So, let me get this straight, there's some unnamed legal loophole that may be closed that only Penn State is taking advantage of. Three other power schools have taken the nobler road. These include:

1. Oklahoma State - the only power program ever seriously slapped by the NCAA

2. tOSU - not taking advantage of a loophole. I'll just leave that alone

3. Iowa - whose Patron saint partially built his dynasty on a loophole involving in-state, out of state scholarship allocations (which loophole the NCAA closed)

We are getting recruits now because of Cael combined with being in the middle of ground zero of wrestling talent. It's no surprise that tOSU looks to be our main competitor going forward as they are in the middle of this rich vein of talent. Expecting those 2 schools to suck forever in wrestling (while other teams import the best of said talent) is like expecting all football schools in Ca, Tx and Fl to suck.

Every objective wrestling observer comes away from watching our team impressed with the technique and style shown. Recruits notice - especially in contrast to watching some other programs

 

[Chickenman Testa]

This same poster in another thread defending Gilman made the statement that "Quentin Wright was no choir boy". Nothing more needs to be said as Wright, was for all intent and purposes,in fact a choir boy

Hahaha! Exactly. The only trouble Q probably got into was cheating at board games or taking too many Christmas cookies from the pantry.

But that guy is "clued in"

 

[El-Jefe]

Hahaha! Exactly. The only trouble Q probably got into was cheating at board games or taking too many Christmas cookies from the pantry.

But that guy is "clued in"

The worst thing Q ever did in his life was sneeze without saying "Excuse me," because another sneeze was coming.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

The worst thing Q ever did in his life was sneeze without saying "Excuse me," because another sneeze was coming.

I'm doing the Lord's work over there but time to go to work - nightmare day today. Have fun on the boards boys

 

[jrd23psu]

The posters on HR are looking for any reason as to why Iowa is not the best program. They can't fathom that Iowa isn't winning every national title so they concoct these theories that PSU has to be cheating in some way, because after all, that's the only logical reason for PSU being head and shoulders above Iowa.

They can't admit the real reasons why PSU is better. Cael is a better recruiter than Tom and Terry, and Cael is a better coach than Tom and Terry.

 

[Cali_Nittany]

I'm doing the Lord's work over there but time to go to work - nightmare day today. Have fun on the boards boys

Sounds like more cruiseliner talk. Let the haters hate.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

The posters on HR are looking for any reason as to why Iowa is not the best program. They can't fathom that Iowa isn't winning every national title so they concoct these theories that PSU has to be cheating in some way, because after all, that's the only logical reason for PSU being head and shoulders above Iowa.

They can't admit the real reasons why PSU is better. Cael is a better recruiter than Tom and Terry, and Cael is a better coach than Tom and Terry.

Ironically, some of the same people who made fun of Cael for showing up at the Suriano's house at 12:01 am on the first day visits are allowed - that is was desperate.

 

[dunkej01]

If he said any number of other wrestlers I would give him some credence, but to say QW wasnt a choir boy is just flat out wrong. if that person wants to come out from anonymity and say something well then I might think twice but he wont so I think we should dismiss this just like the other ridiculous allegations leveled on that site.

As for the underlying loop hole discussion, just back away from the keyboard.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

The Iowa way- cry and scream " he cheated" when you lose. It is right up there with stalling. Iowa really did build the power house by cheating under Gable, so there is always the underlying thoughts that those titles are not legitimate. I'm sure it is an attempt to taint the PSU titles in the same way. Small people have small ways.

 

[KidNittany]

LMAO

Either Iowa is complicit in this nefariousness or innocent and too stupid to take advantage of the rules

Typical "we're the good guys" rationalization. Don't bother

 

[Flying_Tiger]

What's odd about those discussions is how they fail to acknowledge that they have finished behind a team other then Penn State every season for the past 6 years. Instead, they act as if they have finished 2nd every year to Penn State and the only reason for that is because Cael has been utilizing underhanded recruiting methods. Really a study in psychology and the use of defense mechanisms such as denial and rationalization to cope with an unpleasant reality.

 

[katsujinken]

Can't wait for the HR meltdown next year when they get shut out at the Hall...

125 - Suriano
133- Cortez
141- Lee
149 - Zain
157 - Nolf
165 - Joseph
174 - Hall
184 - Bo
197 - McC
HWT - NN

Which of these weights will they hold an advantage? I'd say none....

 

[Roar More]

I won't go over to HR, but I assume this loophole is not defined and Q's transgressions are not delineated.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

LMAO

Either Iowa is complicit in this nefariousness or innocent and too stupid to take advantage of the rules

Typical "we're the good guys" rationalization. Don't bother

Are we not the good guys?

 

[PrairieHawk1]

What's odd about those discussions is how they fail to acknowledge that they have finished behind a team other then Penn State every season for the past 6 years. Instead, they act as if they have finished 2nd every year to Penn State and the only reason for that is because Cael has been utilizing underhanded recruiting methods. Really a study in psychology and the use of defense mechanisms such as denial to cope with an unpleasant reality.

It's true that Iowa has finished behind other teams each of the past 6 years, but they were (mostly) at least in the discussion with those other teams. My guess is that most Hawkeye fans (myself included) are hoping that at some point PSU comes back to the pack a little.

Count me as one fan that doesn't buy the conspiracy theories. PSU is putting a fun brand of wrestling on the mat and athletes recognize that. I think fans recognize that as well. Iowa fans can get a little bit jealous of this since they spent decades experiencing exactly what you guys are now, and would love to experience it again.

Despite what you guys like to say over here, Iowa wrestling used to be fun to watch. It still is for the die hards, but even they will admit that we want to see more offense.

 

[RoarLions1]

Let 'em talk, I say. A defensive posture just escalates the hate, and has no end.

 

[jrd23psu]

Iowa fans can get a little bit jealous of this since they spent decades experiencing exactly what you guys are now, and would love to experience it again.

And that is the underlying reason why posters on HR accuse PSU of having a slush fund, or that a guy like QW was "no choir boy" etc. It comes down to jealousy. Nobody is even fooled at the reasoning behind it.

Iowa fans want badly to go back to the days of Dan Gable where Iowa was winning like PSU is winning. Now they know how everybody else felt during those years. It's time they deal with it like adults instead of whiney babies.

 

[goethe14]

There are plenty of knowledgable fans on the HR and a few oddballs. Cael is living rent free as they say in the heads of the few wackos over there. The conspiracy stories are fun to read.

 

[WildTurk]

Haters gonna hate!

 

[greenmanRD]

Can't wait for the HR meltdown next year when they get shut out at the Hall...

125 - Suriano
133- Cortez
141- Lee
149 - Zain
157 - Nolf
165 - Joseph
174 - Hall
184 - Bo
197 - McC
HWT - NN

Which of these weights will they hold an advantage? I'd say none....

They'll have chances to win at 125 (S Lee), 165 (Marinelli), 197 (Wilcke), HWT (Stoll). I doubt we shut them out.

 

[Brian LB-U]

Hahaha! Exactly. The only trouble Q probably got into was cheating at board games or taking too many Christmas cookies from the pantry.

But that guy is "clued in"

I see Gobbs also weighed in. Probably using same "source" who gave him the 70/30 Iowa crystal ball for Berge. Lol!

 

[T J]

The Iowa way- cry and scream " he cheated" when you lose. It is right up there with stalling. Iowa really did build the power house by cheating under Gable, so there is always the underlying thoughts that those titles are not legitimate. I'm sure it is an attempt to taint the PSU titles in the same way. Small people have small ways.

Appreciate your inputs James P. Whitters III.

For historical purposes, would you please review the issues that were concerns with the Iowa program, back in the day? Thanks

 

[dicemen99]

They'll have chances to win at 125 (S Lee), 165 (Marinelli), 197 (Wilcke), HWT (Stoll). I doubt we shut them out.

Lee is redshirting, Wilcke is 184 next year.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

It's true that Iowa has finished behind other teams each of the past 6 years, but they were (mostly) at least in the discussion with those other teams. My guess is that most Hawkeye fans (myself included) are hoping that at some point PSU comes back to the pack a little.

Count me as one fan that doesn't buy the conspiracy theories. PSU is putting a fun brand of wrestling on the mat and athletes recognize that. I think fans recognize that as well. Iowa fans can get a little bit jealous of this since they spent decades experiencing exactly what you guys are now, and would love to experience it again.

Despite what you guys like to say over here, Iowa wrestling used to be fun to watch. It still is for the die hards, but even they will admit that we want to see more offense.

Well stated PrairieHawk. I stated many times in the past that everyone roots against the dominant force in almost any sport. During the Hawkeye dynasty, anytime an Iowa wrestler lost it was a big deal. Now it's the same for us. The question is, which way would you rather have it? We went decades being relatively obscure and loved. Now we are winning and hated. I say bring on the hate for as long as it lasts!!

 

[greenmanRD]

Lee is redshirting, Wilcke is 184 next year.

who else is Iowa putting out there?

 

[WildTurk]

You guys do realize that not everyone that posts on HR is a Hawkeye fan right?

 

[SpikingWhamos]

who else is Iowa putting out there?

Holloway

 

[Gebmo]

It's true that Iowa has finished behind other teams each of the past 6 years, but they were (mostly) at least in the discussion with those other teams. My guess is that most Hawkeye fans (myself included) are hoping that at some point PSU comes back to the pack a little.

Count me as one fan that doesn't buy the conspiracy theories. PSU is putting a fun brand of wrestling on the mat and athletes recognize that. I think fans recognize that as well. Iowa fans can get a little bit jealous of this since they spent decades experiencing exactly what you guys are now, and would love to experience it again.

Despite what you guys like to say over here, Iowa wrestling used to be fun to watch. It still is for the die hards, but even they will admit that we want to see more offense.

I would have to agree with that. My memory from 35 years ago is not the greatest, but I still remember how awesome it was watching Barry Davis, Zalesky, and the Banach brothers live. They tore through everyone. Lou Banach especially always seemed like a kid among men by size....and then would destroy people, even a 450 lb Tab Thacker, (an eventual National champion), but couldn't even come close to Banach who was half his weight (if that).

 

[greenmanRD]

Holloway

I meant instead of Lee.

 

[Wrestler2u]

This is my first post, but I have been reading many wrestling boards for a couple of years. This was over on HR and I have no idea what it is talking about! Any clarification, or is it more "slush fund" and jealousy talking...
"Now, there are some real questions and loop holes with financial assistance being offered to wrestlers competing during a grey shirt or a red shirt year from an organization that supports "the sport," but only seems to support wrestlers that are competing for a certain school...cough cough...Penn State...cough cough. We will see the NCAA making some official policy regarding that situation quite soon. Penn State will not get in any trouble or be punished, but you can tell by Cael's comments that he is uncomfortable discussing the topic and even nervous. According to the current administrators what is going on is not against the rules. However, most people recognize that this is a loophole and the NCAA will be closing this loophole soon. I am surprised Iowa, Ohio State, and Oklahoma State's boosters aren't taking advantage while it is still open. Although, I understand why they delayed, as it could have easily be interpreted as a serious violation resulting in serious sanctions and devastate a program's future."

How can you tell when Cael is nervous?

 

[LaxHawk174]

I meant instead of Lee.

Could be Laux next year at 125, if he can still make the weight. He still has one year of eligibility.

 

[Azchief32]

You guys do realize that not everyone that posts on HR is a Hawkeye fan right?

I don't think Just133 is a Hawk fan...he is an Ohio guy.

 

[greenmanRD]

Could be Laux next year at 125, if he can still make the weight. He still has one year of eligibility.

Lol, I hope they do that!

 

[Chickenman Testa]

You guys do realize that not everyone that posts on HR is a Hawkeye fan right?

Wait, even Jammen????

 

[jrd23psu]

Can't wait for the HR meltdown next year when they get shut out at the Hall...

125 - Suriano
133- Cortez
141- Lee
149 - Zain
157 - Nolf
165 - Joseph
174 - Hall
184 - Bo
197 - McC
HWT - NN

Which of these weights will they hold an advantage? I'd say none....

125 - I thought the plan was to RS Lee? I think Tom and Terry have been pretty clear on redshirting all freshman. I guess if there was a guy who would be ready as a TRFR it would be Lee, though. I think Suriano could be favored here simply because he's been at the NCAA level for a year, but I think this match would be a toss up if Lee wrestled.

133 - If Cortez is a full go, Cortez is favored.

141 - Carter Happel vs Nick Lee? Did Lee beat Happel in FS last year? This could be close to a toss-up

149 - Zain

157 - Nolf

165 - Marinelli vs Joseph. I'm going with Joseph until I see Marinelli at this level. Joseph has shown he can hang with the top guys at 165lbs right now.

174 - Mark Hall

184 - Bo

197 - Depends on who goes for PSU. If it's Mouse then it's a toss-up.

HWT - Nevills

PSU could win them all, but there are matches that Iowa can win here, too.

 

[katsujinken]

Sorry, I was also assuming that we don't lose half our team to Rutgers via transfer...