Iowa favorite for next year also?
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No way anyone, and I include the coaches, has any idea how next year plays out. Two things I know for sure, the wrestlers will have a say, and coach doesn't punt.
don't you dare put that evil on Nebraska. That's Jammen's Go(o)pher coming out.
Smalls, my apologies from the other side of the State. Teams unfortunately can't control who and who is not a fan. We, Penn State, has a fan named Mary, I'm sure many fans hope she goes into the portal. Nebraska and Minn are blessed to share a fan, thus at 50/50 neither has to claim him as a dependent.
I must say Nebraska was the team that surprised me the most at the Bigs. Solid lineup.
Stay safe in your area.
I must say Nebraska was the team that surprised me the most at the Bigs. Solid lineup.
Stay safe in your area.
If they are "new" like Aaron Brooks, I'll take the seven.
DItto that. Iowa will be really strong and senior dominated next season. We will also be really strong but frosh and soph dominated.
I'll take our seven new wrestlers over anyone.
It would seem Cael knows wrestling and most of our new guys have grey shorted and red shirted while rolling around with the best wrestlers on the planet. I'm thinking we make a ton of noise
Olympic redshirts and whether or not the NCAA grants some sort of last year waviers will probably play huge roles in determining next years results. However, as this year screamed at us "it's good health, dummy" that will most probably be the biggest determinant.
Assuming good health across the board Iowa definitely has a huge advantage at 125. However huge the advantage if PSU can put forth a healthy freshman at this weight the point difference could prove to be a nice swing in PSU's direction.
133, PSU has what I believe to be a nice advantage that will probably only increase next year.
141 PSU has the advantage.
149 through 165, unless the Lions have something better than Verkleeren, Gardner and Pipher to offer at 49 and 57 the Hawks have a huge advantage through these 3 weights.
At 174 the Hawks (assuming Kemerer) have a strong perceived advantage. By the time the PSU Iowa dual concludes that perception may change.
At 184 PSU has the advantage, and while I believe Assad will be quite good, Aaron will be the man.
197 and Hwt, the Hawk faithful will maintain a strong sense of superiority, and unlike past years that sense is not viewed through the HR April view. They justifiably believe their two guys will be superior to the two PSU guys. Cael history dictates bigger athletic guys develop at PSU better than at Iowa.
Assuming PSU has no upgrades at 149 and 157 the key in a dual will be the 174 outcome.
At Bigs and NCAAs it will be determined by who wrestles to seed. Generally I favor the Lions, but next year's NCAA could be as exciting, close and memorable as 2018.
Assuming good health across the board Iowa definitely has a huge advantage at 125. However huge the advantage if PSU can put forth a healthy freshman at this weight the point difference could prove to be a nice swing in PSU's direction.
133, PSU has what I believe to be a nice advantage that will probably only increase next year.
141 PSU has the advantage.
149 through 165, unless the Lions have something better than Verkleeren, Gardner and Pipher to offer at 49 and 57 the Hawks have a huge advantage through these 3 weights.
At 174 the Hawks (assuming Kemerer) have a strong perceived advantage. By the time the PSU Iowa dual concludes that perception may change.
At 184 PSU has the advantage, and while I believe Assad will be quite good, Aaron will be the man.
197 and Hwt, the Hawk faithful will maintain a strong sense of superiority, and unlike past years that sense is not viewed through the HR April view. They justifiably believe their two guys will be superior to the two PSU guys. Cael history dictates bigger athletic guys develop at PSU better than at Iowa.
Assuming PSU has no upgrades at 149 and 157 the key in a dual will be the 174 outcome.
At Bigs and NCAAs it will be determined by who wrestles to seed. Generally I favor the Lions, but next year's NCAA could be as exciting, close and memorable as 2018.
I think there's going to be enough point dilution from other teams that there's no way you can look at this strictly as a two team race. Some guys from both teams are going to lose early.
Caveat: Depends on how the redshirt situation pans out.
Iowa red-shirted no one that might have been a starter, no one took an Olympic red-shirt and no one missed significant time to injury. Insert Eierman for Lugo and they'll basically have the same line-up.
Several other team will be bringing wrestlers off RS and/or injury and will be fielding significantly stronger line-ups ... Michigan, Okie St and Cornell come to mind.
Favorites on paper ... sure ... but having missed the opportunity to win the NC this year the pressure to win, their last best chance, next year will be tremendous. We'll see if the brothers are up to keeping the team loose ... we know TnT will be wound tight.
Should be fun theater.
Several other team will be bringing wrestlers off RS and/or injury and will be fielding significantly stronger line-ups ... Michigan, Okie St and Cornell come to mind.
Favorites on paper ... sure ... but having missed the opportunity to win the NC this year the pressure to win, their last best chance, next year will be tremendous. We'll see if the brothers are up to keeping the team loose ... we know TnT will be wound tight.
Should be fun theater.
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I think for those that are predicting anything need to take a step back and relax. We know nothing until the NCAA rules on the eligibility of winter athletes. We are entering unprecedented/in chartered territory. If they do indeed grant eligibility, one would assume that Oly RS are still there, does a guy like Eierman or Yianni Oly RS again. Does micic?
i think there are many factors that depend on the NCAA eligibility ruling as well as the handling of Oly RS. I couldnt theoretically see some guys taking 2 years off in a row.
I’m just excited to see some wrestling next year with teams like PSU, Cornell, Michigan, Ok State, Iowa, OSU, VaTech... will be exciting come next March
i think there are many factors that depend on the NCAA eligibility ruling as well as the handling of Oly RS. I couldnt theoretically see some guys taking 2 years off in a row.
I’m just excited to see some wrestling next year with teams like PSU, Cornell, Michigan, Ok State, Iowa, OSU, VaTech... will be exciting come next March
[QUOTE="PSU_Pride_93, post: 4752676, member: 90370"]I think for those that are predicting anything need to take a step back and relax. We know nothing until the NCAA rules on the eligibility of winter athletes. We are entering unprecedented/in chartered territory. If they do indeed grant eligibility, one would assume that Oly RS are still there, does a guy like Eierman or Yianni Oly RS again. Does micic?
i think there are many factors that depend on the NCAA eligibility ruling as well as the handling of Oly RS. I couldnt theoretically see some guys taking 2 years off in a row.
I’m just excited to see some wrestling next year with teams like PSU, Cornell, Michigan, Ok State, Iowa, OSU, VaTech... will be exciting come next March[/QUOTE]
So speculations, based on any set of assumptions, are now deemed meaningless and should come to a halt until all eligibility factors are known.
Gotcha.
Covid-19? Politics? Olympics? Football? Basketball? Baseball? Hmmm, so many other topics, but I'm having a hard time finding one with full set of known factors.
i think there are many factors that depend on the NCAA eligibility ruling as well as the handling of Oly RS. I couldnt theoretically see some guys taking 2 years off in a row.
I’m just excited to see some wrestling next year with teams like PSU, Cornell, Michigan, Ok State, Iowa, OSU, VaTech... will be exciting come next March[/QUOTE]
So speculations, based on any set of assumptions, are now deemed meaningless and should come to a halt until all eligibility factors are known.
Gotcha.
Covid-19? Politics? Olympics? Football? Basketball? Baseball? Hmmm, so many other topics, but I'm having a hard time finding one with full set of known factors.
I predict Starocci is going to wrestle Kem very close in the dual and tell him he's going to pin him in March
So speculations, based on any set of assumptions, are now deemed meaningless and should come to a halt until all eligibility factors are known.
Gotcha.
Covid-19? Politics? Olympics? Football? Basketball? Baseball? Hmmm, so many other topics, but I'm having a hard time finding one with full set of known factors.[/QUOTE]
Yeah assumptions would be deemed meaningless without all the facts. What if Lugo gets another year? What if eierman bumps up and so does Lugo? And i could speculate that desanto and Teasdale would be 133/141. Seems ****ing pointless to try and predict a teams lineup. Who cares it’s March. Teams could have transfers, etc
[QUOTE: PSU_pride_93] Yeah assumptions would be deemed meaningless without all the facts. What if Lugo gets another year? What if eierman bumps up and so does Lugo? And i could speculate that desanto and Teasdale would be 133/141. Seems ****ing pointless to try and predict a teams lineup. Who cares it’s March. Teams could have transfers, etc[/QUOTE]
Congrats. you've just delivered 2 of the more condescending posts I can remember. Do you actually think we all don't know the uncertainties that lie ahead?
Have fun reading the wrestling board over the next several months. Under your guidelines we'll be left with little to discuss.
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Congrats. you've just delivered 2 of the more condescending posts I can remember. Do you actually think we all don't know the uncertainties that lie ahead?
Have fun reading the wrestling board over the next several months. Under your guidelines we'll be left with little to discuss.
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I see Iowa's strong sense of superiority melt away long before the dual. Other than one match, Beard was running rough shod over all comers and I think he will be superior to Warner out if the gate. Likewise Kirk short of an Oly RS next year will make quick work of Cassi.
Iowa is very strong at both weights with high end AA guys, but I think we are better at both weights for without a doubt.
PS: Spyker claimed Beard was beating Shak in the room, handily. I actually believe him this time.
Let's just say all winter sports getting another year will be a supreme shit show lol. The world of wrestling will turn upside down.
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Goggles,
Keep in mind the quality of competition that Beard has faced thus far. He rolled through the guys that he should roll through. He has wrestled 5 guys in the top 20. He had two wins(Geer and Weiler) and 3 losses(Bulsak, Laird, and Traxler). That should be cause for some doubt as to whether he is going to be better than Warner right out of the gate.
Goggles,
Keep in mind the quality of competition that Beard has faced thus far. He rolled through the guys that he should roll through. He has wrestled 5 guys in the top 20. He had two wins(Geer and Weiler) and 3 losses(Bulsak, Laird, and Traxler). That should be cause for some doubt as to whether he is going to be better than Warner right out of the gate.
He is 1-1 against Bulsak having beaten him the year prior. Beard’s main issue has been gas tank in the 3rd period.
All of the facts would include the end results. The only thing to do then is offer an opinion on the colors of the singlets, but wait. Opinions are not facts. We shall stand together and applaud. No talking except a recitation of the factual results.
There you go.
Not sure why someone would waste their time in March of 2020 posting on a wrestling message board on the subject of 2021 results when he has stipulated there is nothing to discuss about 2021 until the final results of 2021 are known.
There you go.
Not sure why someone would waste their time in March of 2020 posting on a wrestling message board on the subject of 2021 results when he has stipulated there is nothing to discuss about 2021 until the final results of 2021 are known.
I'm obviously biased but how Beard/Joe Lee wrestled at the Scuffle leaves me very optimistic about how they looked redshirting freshman. They check all the boxes of PSU hammers, they possess the scoring mentality our past hammers have, their issues are very fixable and typical of freshman.Expecting freshman to be perfect is just completely unrealistic. I know outsiders probably just look at the results and say "Their freshman can't even beat nonAAs" but consider this.
DT lost to Cyler 11-4 his RS freshman year in the Intersquad Dual, I know he took another loss at ESU open. Ruth took a few losses his redshirting year. Hell, Q was in his third year in the program and was struggling during dual season before turning it on when it mattered the most. Bo lost to Andy McCulley at the Scuffle. Cenzo lost to Keaton Subjeck his freshman year. Mark lost to Brucki and Meyer. Hell, Cassar lost to Garrett Hoffman and Jacob Holschlag his junior year before beating Moore then becoming a Heavy Champ a year later. Here's why I'm optimistic:
1. Both Joe and Michael showed skillsets to be scoring machines. Their top and neutral games are fantastic.
Joe: Ragdolled and pinned Connor Flynn (who Cenzo only decisioned and he's beaten Mekhi Lewis before), nearly majored the ACC champion and techfalled the Air Force kid (who almost never gets bonused)
Michael: Shutout and majored Pagano, beat Geer 10-5 with his neutral game. He almost almost bonused everyone (including Chris Weiler) he redshirted his greyshirting year except Bulsak (who he built a 13-2 lead on before gassing out in the third)
2. Their issues all struck me as very typical freshman issues: bottom game, gas tank and carelessness. I'd rather this be their issue than them not shooting.
Joe: In both his losses, Joe got 2 takedowns on Bullard and Wittlake. All 3 of Bullard's takedowns were counter crotch lifts Joe didn't need to give him. Joe was up 4-1 on Wittlake after 1 before gassing out and getting hammered by Wittlake on top
Michael: Took bottom and got careless and gave up a tilt that he spent an entire period fighting off his back against Traxler and was spent. He also seemed borderline motionless against Laird by the third.
3. They were coachless at the Scuffle, believe it or not, Cael and Casey is on the sidelines for a reason! I also suspect that in typical Cael fashion, they were instructed to work on their weaknesses, AKA no picking top for Michael and Joe.
DT lost to Cyler 11-4 his RS freshman year in the Intersquad Dual, I know he took another loss at ESU open. Ruth took a few losses his redshirting year. Hell, Q was in his third year in the program and was struggling during dual season before turning it on when it mattered the most. Bo lost to Andy McCulley at the Scuffle. Cenzo lost to Keaton Subjeck his freshman year. Mark lost to Brucki and Meyer. Hell, Cassar lost to Garrett Hoffman and Jacob Holschlag his junior year before beating Moore then becoming a Heavy Champ a year later. Here's why I'm optimistic:
1. Both Joe and Michael showed skillsets to be scoring machines. Their top and neutral games are fantastic.
Joe: Ragdolled and pinned Connor Flynn (who Cenzo only decisioned and he's beaten Mekhi Lewis before), nearly majored the ACC champion and techfalled the Air Force kid (who almost never gets bonused)
Michael: Shutout and majored Pagano, beat Geer 10-5 with his neutral game. He almost almost bonused everyone (including Chris Weiler) he redshirted his greyshirting year except Bulsak (who he built a 13-2 lead on before gassing out in the third)
2. Their issues all struck me as very typical freshman issues: bottom game, gas tank and carelessness. I'd rather this be their issue than them not shooting.
Joe: In both his losses, Joe got 2 takedowns on Bullard and Wittlake. All 3 of Bullard's takedowns were counter crotch lifts Joe didn't need to give him. Joe was up 4-1 on Wittlake after 1 before gassing out and getting hammered by Wittlake on top
Michael: Took bottom and got careless and gave up a tilt that he spent an entire period fighting off his back against Traxler and was spent. He also seemed borderline motionless against Laird by the third.
3. They were coachless at the Scuffle, believe it or not, Cael and Casey is on the sidelines for a reason! I also suspect that in typical Cael fashion, they were instructed to work on their weaknesses, AKA no picking top for Michael and Joe.
II thought he beat Pagano and Reenan at the Scuffle, both ranked at the time I believe.
no waivers from the NCAA for winter sport athletes
https://247sports.com/college/penn-state/board/18/Contents/quick-note-winter-sports-145447957/
https://247sports.com/college/penn-state/board/18/Contents/quick-note-winter-sports-145447957/
Won't three of these guys be third year freshman? Then a third year soph in brooks?
Regarding Olympic redshirts, this isn't really uncharted territory, as the potential for an athlete to qualify for 2 ORS's in their eligibility window already existed.
Does anyone know the details on whether an athlete has any restrictions on the # of ORS's they can take?
Has any prior wrestler taken 2 ORS's?
Does anyone know the details on whether an athlete has any restrictions on the # of ORS's they can take?
Has any prior wrestler taken 2 ORS's?
Congrats. you've just delivered 2 of the more condescending posts I can remember. Do you actually think we all don't know the uncertainties that lie ahead?
Have fun reading the wrestling board over the next several months. Under your guidelines we'll be left with little to discuss.
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Yea, and what if Teasdale beats Lee for the 125 spot forcing him to take on Desanto (who has already beaten him once) and then he might be forced to contend for the 141 spot. Man, this speculating hurts my head!
I'd happily sit in Starocci's corner. He is a transcendent talent. Strength/quickness/mean streak can't be taught. All he needs to do is realize it (the talent) and he could be spoken about in the same way as McCoy, Ruth, DT, Zain, Nolf, Bo, Cenzo, and Hall. His level of growth from August 2019 to January 2020 should be terrifying for his future opponents.
I think SLee is getting a tech at 125 no matter who we send out next year and that's no disrespect to Meredith or Howard. He's been teching everyone including top guys not named Seabass
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