Iowa Lineup
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Throw in jaydin too then watch another magical psu run and Iowa burn out... would be legendary lolol
TnT can throw 10 names out there at 184. I like the PSU kid for some silly reason.
Gonna be a great dual , can’t wait. Like our chances better at Carver than I do in Minny to be honest
We will beat the Goofers on 2/9. So this makes me feel good about beating Iowa.
Can you break down each match to show the path to victory at Carver? Just curious with your breakdown.
Barring something unforeseen, it does work out to have 157 be the difference for sure. Not a really confident path for either team with a loss there.
Thanks. Definitely possible but would be best case for Penn St. 157 and 165 I would give the edge to Young and Marinelli as Berge has wrestled once at 157 so far and Marinelli is 2-0 against Joseph. We will find out in 3 1/2 weeks. Can’t wait.
I agree madden, a few tosses, psu would need things to go real well too, I also don’t think Patricio Lugo is unbeatable or Cass
I could see PSU getting bonus at 141, 184, and possible 197. Iowa could get bonus at a couple other weights besides 125 as well. If Kem doesn't go Hall will piss pound Brands. If Kem has a bad shoulder they may not risk letting Hall tear it off. Too many variables to guess, but I would favor Iowa by 3-6 points in this dual.
I think we could win, no doubt But we could could also just get the doors blown off.
I think the chances for a huge Iowa win are greater then either a close iowa win or a psu close win.
Cass could easily catch snacks, rasheed still limited loses to warnerov, Bull wins and berge gets carved.
it will be a great night for someone
...5 of 10 starters from Pennsylvania ...
...3 from Illinois...
...oh, well...
And we appreciate it more than you know.
I concur with your Young/Berge assessment, but I think the Joseph/Marinelli match is a push. If you look at both of those wins, it was one big move in each that did the damage, and in the one match it was Joseph that initiated the action that led to Marinelli's 6-point move. Either way you know it's going to be a war. In the end I'm just glad Iowa has a team that can compete for a change. Hopefully we can maintain the same level and quality of recruiting from your neck of the woods going forward; if not, we're screwed.
You can have your (our) Young Guns, but dont bet on the quality of recruiting continuing , cuz you aint gettin none of our M2’s.
that 4-5 year window of kids from young guns was an amazing collection of talent. simply amazing and you dont seem to see it on that level right now.
after Iowas 2 year run here, might be another decade or more until YG/PA can regroup for the cause
YG will never see that amount of talent again, in 5 years time M2 will be the best club in the country.
Simply BRILLIANT move opening M2,but it HAD to be done to keep our boys here.
Simply BRILLIANT move opening M2,but it HAD to be done to keep our boys here.
I dont know if that is possible just because of volume of talent in centre region vs Pittsburgh metro
When M2 goes big and takes the RTC experience to the youth level and starts popping in facilities in regional hot spots the NWO shall be complete
Except that's not true. Of all the PA guys currently starting at ANY other school, how many did we recruit hard?
After Spencer Lee, the answer is zero or close to it. Not the other 4 Iowa starters. Not the Hidlays. Not Pletcher. Not Shields or Maruca. Not Labriola. Not Hoffman after Beard became available. Not Wood.
The fact that so many ended up at Iowa is unfortunate for us, and also something that M2 would not affect for guys Cael passes on, just as it did not affect the Hidlays or Hoffman or the Cobra or Wood.
We did land Stout and pushed for Phillippi, so that's 3 -- OTOH our 133/197 options are better.
That's also the pattern going fwd -- Starocci and Bartlett being the only 2 PA guys projected to start in the future. Most known high profile targets are non-residents.
Where M2 will help us is with depth.
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Good points, but what if M2 had been open when the Lee’s left Saegertown for FR? Does Spencer still choose the same path?
For those who read Spencer's reasons for choosing Iowa, there is no reason to believe he would've made any other decision based on something like that.
He chose Iowa because that's where he thought his Olympic goals would be optimized.
What would have changed his mind: if NLWC had both finalists at his weight in the Olympic Trials held at the BJC.
And by keeping world champ DT close to the program, much like Bo’s MMA gym—powerful recruiting by osmosis.
I’m not yet ready to call an end of the Young Guns phenomenon, but it is pretty amazing the concentration of talent they produced recently. M2 is definitely on the rise.
I'm sure I'm not alone in agreeing with you that we're glad Iowa is back as well. Winning the close ones is always considerably more exciting than running away with it. Steel sharpens steel. Looking forward to the upcoming battles.
I could be swayed about that in a month. As of today, that’s solidly confident win for Iowa. If Seth just shows out, that changes, but at the present time it goes through 157 in my opinion.
How much of not recruiting Hayden H. hard was about having guys already at their weights for several years? In other words, does the full court press get put on if the years line up for an opening there?
Of course that's the reason. Same for his brother.
And it will always be the reason. There will always be PA guys who project very well but we already have a better option.
Catka just made the World Team, and last year was Trials runnerup to Kerk, and I don't think we even poked around.
It's good to be the king.
I am constantly amazed at how the coaching staff manages recruiting. All jokes aside about the slush fund, etc... how do you manage when to put the full court press on a blue chip recruit knowing you have a stud there. You have very limited scholarships to offer. You have a program full of blue chippers, and you still have to have a succession plan, an injury plan, a not meeting expectations plan, and so on. If you have 30 scholarships to offer it would be easy. Free education, great coaching, great training partners, great facility would attract a lot of athletes to take a chance to make the lineup. But to have to pay all or part of the expenses to do that when other D1 schools are offering the $? I don't know how they do what they do.
It's a game of sorts. All the variables mentioned above, plus looking for guys that "fit" the program emotionally, mentally, academically, and on and on. There will be misses along the way.
Not often mentioned is the time away from family. The spouses of our coaches are just as high-character as the men they married. These couples have young children, yet the coaches are doing their PSU thing AND the NLWC thing, while travelling around the country looking at and talking to recruits (and their families). The coaches share this responsibility, and try to balance their lives, but it is difficult. They're as human as me and you.
It is crazy, and there are so many moving parts to consider. So many examples the last few years of how “the plan” can get blown up. Suriano leaving, Teasdale having his issues and leaving, Conel coming and then getting injured, Cassar getting extra years then getting injured, Shak getting an extra year. All of those were adjustments that had to be made and changed factors with scholarships in the current day and down the road.
Look at Iowa as well, they put together a top flight team that is competing for a title in part because they had the money to bring in multiple AA level and potential championship level transfers. It can’t be easy to just slide in Lugo, Desanto, and Eierman on the fly with the guys they already had and have coming in.
I can’t imagine all the spreadsheets and calculations and planning that goes into it. And increasingly how quickly a plan can get thrown out the window when a guy wants out or a guy wants in.
Not sure if they're certified to wrestle 141 but could Iowa have one of Glosser or Turk try to make 141? Both gave O'Connor all he wanted at Midlands.
Does either of them add anything at 141 over Murin except injury insurance?
Eierman would be a different story...
Spot on. Eierman is the only one who is an upgrade over Murin. I don't think Glosser can even make 41. Murin beat Turk out for the spot last year and while Turk appears to have improved this year, so has Murin.
Murin really struggled to finish shots last year, often getting to the legs, but then being caught underneath for a stalemate or losing a scramble and giving up a takedown on his attack.
So far this year, he has shown crisp, clean, and even some powerful takedowns. As long as his shoulder is not a hinderance, I see him as a mid-low range AA this year.
That pipeline still has quite a few studs in 4th-8th in Jtown and Pittsburgh. M2/4M has noticeably dug into their talent in central PA
Murin is letting it fly and wrestling with confidence -- a big step up from last season. If he stays on his current track, he may very well do damage that few have been expecting. Every point could matter.
There are definitely some Iowa guys who are ranked very highly right now who I think are likely to under perform in March. Lugo, Warner and Young to name 3.
As much as I want to believe that, Young is not exactly ranked at his ceiling, and Lugo is not wrestling like the guy we saw last year. 149 is wide open, and so Lugo is very much in the conversation for huge points -- which could more than make up for any unexpected deficiencies from Young.
I'll grant that 197 is a wild card, as the winner of Warner vs. "Warnerov" is anyone's guess . . . but so is Rasheed's health and conditioning.
Psychology at NCAAs is going to be as critical as I can ever remember.
I always wondered about the Warner/Warnerov thing. Is it some form of joke? Background anyone?
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