Can't be true. He was just ducking. So it's been posted and tweeted.
I hope they were ducking instead of being injured, but injured is my guess.
Iowa medical forfeits
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I hope they were ducking instead of being injured, but injured is my guess.
yes, saw it live. He was in a front headlock (giving it) and went off the mat and then stumbled and fell. Thought he had a concussion... he took a breather and they let him finish and he did finish strong... strange and scary
Ayala, Eierman and Cass are not benefiting from MFF today. Even if Eierman had beat Lee earlier this year and MFF today Lee would be seeded higher. They will be seeded like the 8th 2nd and 2nd place B1G placements which they earned by winning previous matches.
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It's silly not to be skeptical about motivations. People occasionally cheat and occasionally game the system. That's just life.
As far as silly goes, unless someone can explain or at least reasonably hypothesize the benefits gained by whom then silly is to assume to know something about one's health without having a clue. In today's life, clueless spoken thought is quite common and still minimally silly.
I'm not sure what that you are trying to convey here because of the deficient grammar and passive aggression, but in my line of work, skepticism isn't a nicety, it's a professional requirement. Of course I didn't say anything about health, I questioned motivations. Perhaps reading comprehension isn't "your thing", nonetheless, that's a straw man argument.
I don't take anything at face value. If you want to, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
Not to mention the bruised ego problems. Ooh, is that what you meant by piling on?
What do you mean by wrestle the next match? Step on the mat for 1 second?
This has been happening forever.
I still remember Dan Gable not sending anyone out against Kerry McCoy at a (maybe the very first) BJC dual.
Let me bring it down a notch or two for you.
1. If you think Iowa MFF for reasons of manipulation, what were the benefits gained and who gained from the manipulation?
2. Since you are carrying on that the MFF were not legitimate then yes you are stating they weren't for health reasons. Just because you do not understand what you are doing or saying does not mean you did not convey that message.
3. I believe clueless statements are something you are probably comfortable with.
4. Study strawman argument. Try to use it properly the next time.
5. Straightforward enough for you?
Neither fans nor wrestlers win when MFFs are a necessity or otherwise occur. The possibility of MFFs after qualifying for NCAAs could lead to fewer wrestling fans putting the B1G Wrestling Championship on there "bucket list," as I believe Shane suggested is a "must have" on it.
In light of last year's declaration "excuses are for wussies" and how this year turned out for him, I think it's quite reasonable for Iowa coaches, wrestlers, and medical staff to proceed with somewhat less bravado. I hope all qualified wrestlers are maximally healthy for NCAAs.
In light of last year's declaration "excuses are for wussies" and how this year turned out for him, I think it's quite reasonable for Iowa coaches, wrestlers, and medical staff to proceed with somewhat less bravado. I hope all qualified wrestlers are maximally healthy for NCAAs.
Probably won’t see much of me around here till nationals. Just signed my 6 figure deal to spread this Iowa mff fiasco all over social media. Anyone else cashing in?
Say what you want about Mineo but I do appreciate his skillz when it comes to trolling Iowa. Lol
And those guys are like 40. There's no way I could make it through a full wrestling season at that age. LOL.
Comparing anyone to Spencer is wrong. It's like Adrian Peterson gaining 2000 yards coming off an ACL tear the previous December. If someone else can't do it, it's irrelevant because those guys are nearly superhuman and the exception, not the rule.
You’re right. Terrible stuff. No one could have predicted Iowas season was gonna play out like this.
Oh wait…
I agree with you 100%. So long as the focus of the season is on one weekend in March, I have no issue with any coach making this call to bring his best line up to the big dance. Yeah, it's not good for the fans, and after all the "anyone, anytime, anywhere" tough guy talk- it's biting Tom in the ass a bit this morning. I certainly don't want to be the guy who decides who is hurt, and who isn't. Tom is looking out for his guys- I can't fault him for that, even if as I fan I would like to have seen some of those matches.
With the senior + crowd this year, I think we saw a lot of wrestlers on pitch counts, I think we are reminded that wrestling, D1 wrestling especially is hard on the body. I believe we'll see less of this next season...
Finally, I thought Gable and JB on the mic for the Kerk/Parris match were fantastic. I'd love to see more of that content...
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Kemerer isn't going to get a seed bump by MFF to 6th.
He will be seeded behind Starocci, Messa, Labriola, Lewis, Hidley, the NC kid and possibly the OSU kid. That gives him Carter in the QF, not much of a reward.
I actually took ski's post to mean if they are entering injured and might MFF then change their seeding. Which is why response was "how do you do that"?
If you mff out all team points from that wrestler before injury should be taken end of story that way it's fair all the way around. Why should someone pin their way or win their way to second and medical forfeit yet keep the team points penalize the team and coaches and let the wrestler keep the spot to get in nationals
Cass hurt his knee against Hilger. Steveson's go to move against Cass is the single. While I understand the fan's desire to see Steveson go, at no point is that a smart move to put your athlete at risk to end his season.
But Cass was ok to go against Kerk? If he's hurt, and he's qualified, stop wrestling (i.e. MFF to Kerk) and let the fans experience an actual bout at the finals. Instead no one got to see the best wrestler in the country put on a show. If Cass had gotten dinged against Kerk, that's obviously more acceptable. I don't know any specifics, but that's just how this all looks.
There are plenty of examples where the injured joint stiffens up overnight or after a significant time in between.
In a parallel universe riveria and JE got together to see who would win a rock paper scissors on the semi MFF.
I'm hearing micic was there to monitor the results and kevin Jackson was the time keeper.
Then how do you handle injury defaults? If they change the rule on MFF’s coaches will just send their guy out for a few seconds and then have him request injury time and default. Are you going to put a certain amount of time they have to be on the mat for them to keep their points in this case?
it might have been cool to watch them play rock paper scissors...
two out of three?
I don;t understand this thinking at all. It does NOT save them from a loss, it is a loss.
