Is Franklin content with being mediocre?

[lowhandicapper]

All of the others have a higher frequency of "down" seasons and poor records whereas that is exceedingly rare for OSU.

I'd rather go 8-4 two, three times a decade if it meant I won a title a third of the time more than everyone else.
LSU also lost a national title game in 2012.
They are 3 for 4 in last 20 years. In the title game 20% of the time with a 33% higher success rate than everyone but Bama....They are the #2 program in the country.
They'll never be as popular as UGA or OSU, never have been, never will be, but they get results those two dream of.
LSU has it all, more titles than everyone but Bama, pretty much more NFL players than anyone, 2 of last 5 Heisman trophy winners.

 

[fastlax16]

You should be more concerned about whether our current coach who gets paid 9 million a year and has $70 million guaranteed from PSU can ever beat OSU or Michigan again and whether he now can beat USC or Oregon ever.

He went 1-1 this year in the games you told me I should should be concerned about. I await the moving of the goal posts.

 

[MacNit2.0]

As someone who's not an apologist for his lack of success against Ohio State and Michigan nor his failure to make the playoff...we're not mediocre. We're good to great depending on the definition. We're the college football version of the Dolphins.

We are upper middle class.

 

[bvillebaron]

The day will come that even the apologists will become sick of his lack of accountability.

Huh? Didn’t he say he owns every bit of the lack of success in big games after the game? The day has long since come when I’m sick of idiotic posts like this one.

 

[bvillebaron]

If you really want to die on the hill of parsing language and defending the quality of the opponents PSU beat this year, that is your decision. I don't think you're gonna find many defenders there. Iowa was ranked, somehow. No other opponent even got a vote in the polls.

Was Illinois ranked when Penn State played them?

 

[LandoComando]

Huh? Didn’t he say he owns every bit of the lack of success in big games after the game? The day has long since come when I’m sick of idiotic posts like this one.

When you say you own every bit of it you can't follow it up by complaining about the officiating. To truly be accountable you can't blame others. You may take what he said as accountability but, to me, he's just saying what he thinks he has to and is still making excuses. No more excuses. He's been here too long Iong. Find a way.

 

[bvillebaron]

I think the comment is spot on. I guess it hurts to hear the truth. I'm sure he's not happy that we aren't beating OSU and UM. He's been pretty open about becoming elite and winning a national championship.

We always beat the teams we are supposed to beat and almost always lose to the teams we are supposed to lose to. At some point, you are who you are so I would expect things to remain the same as long as he's the coach.

So who are you going to replace him with that's going to fix it? Most teams that try to do it fail miserably and take as significant step back. Who wants to roll the dice?

I think it's always useful to look at 'against the spread" records. Since 2013, our record ranks 10th against the spread (top in the Big Ten), we cover 56% of the time which ranks 12th (top in the Big Ten) and our average cover ranks 8th which is 3rd in the Big Ten behind Iowa and OSU.

Those numbers confirm that we're performing as expected but as coach says, "we haven't won as much as everyone wants".

And Penn State hasn’t won as much as Franklin wants either. As I mentioned in other posts it took Paterno 17 years to win a Natty and Penn Stste wasn’t playing a Big Ten schedule back then.

 

[mcpat]

Franklin was 10-2 last year, with close losses to two teams that made the 4-team playoff. He then fired his OC and convinced Kraft to spend a sh!t load of money to buy out AK’s contract at Kansas. All prior to the bowl game. He’s obviously not okay with mediocrity.

 

[Lion_Backer]

Franklin was 10-2 last year, with close losses to two teams that made the 4-team playoff. He then fired his OC and convinced Kraft to spend a sh!t load of money to buy out AK’s contract at Kansas. All prior to the bowl game. He’s obviously not okay with mediocrity.

The real question is becoming does CLF have the formula. Observing from ground level and evaluating each game on a case by case basis, one can certainly argue that he has us right there.

Over time, and observing from a higher altitude; well you don't want our program to start resembling the coyote that continually almost catches the roadrunner but ends up being foiled at every turn.

Also, winning Saturday would have been a wonderful B-12 shot for our future recruiting efforts.

Does CJF have the formula? The jury is still out, but your record is what it is.

Thinking back to the Paterno era, most anyone can make lasagna, but if you have SuePa's recipe and know how, you have the formula to close the deal. At least that is what I was told.

I had a couple of buddies who were on our team back in the day. They absolutely raved about her lasagna. And apparently, that was not a privilege that every recruit / player on the team had the opportunity to enjoy.

 

[mcpat]

The real question is becoming does CLF have the formula. Observing from ground level and evaluating each game on a case by case basis, one can certainly argue that he has us right there.

Over time, and observing from a higher altitude; well you don't want our program to start resembling the coyote that continually almost catches the roadrunner but ends up being foiled at every turn.

Also, winning Saturday would have been a wonderful B-12 shot for our future recruiting efforts.

Does CJF have the formula? The jury is still out, but your record is what it is.

Thinking back to the Paterno era, most anyone can make lasagna, but if you have SuePa's recipe and know how, you have the formula to close the deal. At least that is what I was told.

I had a couple of buddies who were on our team back in the day. They absolutely raved about her lasagna. And apparently, that was not a privilege that every recruit / player on the team had the opportunity to enjoy.

 

[scrivener]

The real question is becoming does CLF have the formula. Observing from ground level and evaluating each game on a case by case basis, one can certainly argue that he has us right there.

Over time, and observing from a higher altitude; well you don't want our program to start resembling the coyote that continually almost catches the roadrunner but ends up being foiled at every turn.

Also, winning Saturday would have been a wonderful B-12 shot for our future recruiting efforts.

Does CJF have the formula? The jury is still out, but your record is what it is.

Thinking back to the Paterno era, most anyone can make lasagna, but if you have SuePa's recipe and know how, you have the formula to close the deal. At least that is what I was told.

I had a couple of buddies who were on our team back in the day. They absolutely raved about her lasagna. And apparently, that was not a privilege that every recruit / player on the team had the opportunity to enjoy.

It's been 11 years...how many more years for the jury to be out to assess if he has the formula. And, we lose in eerily similar ways in these big games -- no semblance of an offense, soft OL, underachieving high-star players, etc. So far, he doesn't have the formula, or at least the ability/desire to change the structure, schematics, process, etc., of how he is doing things. What's the common denominator after all of these OC hires?

 

[bvillebaron]

View embedded media

Yes I know its not a new video but just rehashing. The comment ,"we haven't won as much as everyone wants" is not what I want to hear from my head coach. He's got his big contract and maybe he's just content with winning the games he should.

How many times in his career has he said that he needs to do a better job as a coach/taken resonsibility?

No but you are determined to keep posting endless idiotic comments.

 

[crm114psu]

Thinking back to the Paterno era, most anyone can make lasagna, but if you have SuePa's recipe and know how, you have the formula to close the deal. At least that is what I was told.

I had a couple of buddies who were on our team back in the day. They absolutely raved about her lasagna. And apparently, that was not a privilege that every recruit / player on the team had the opportunity to enjoy.

Congrats, you have identified the missing factor in Franklin's philosophy - SuePa's magical lasagna!!!! Cures cancer, addiction, rabies as well as impotence.

I doubt anyone on this team gives a rats ass about who got to eat it and why.

 

[Lion_Backer]

It's been 11 years...how many more years for the jury to be out to assess if he has the formula. And, we lose in eerily similar ways in these big games -- no semblance of an offense, soft OL, underachieving high-star players, etc. So far, he doesn't have the formula, or at least the ability/desire to change the structure, schematics, process, etc., of how he is doing things. What's the common denominator after all of these OC hires?

It's just not that simple. If this was an algebra problem .....

There are many moving parts (players) that change from year to year. A strength in an area one year can be a deficiency the next. And although you recruit players for each position that you hope will give you the best opportunity to win, the reality is that there has to be a mutual interest.

You don't get to select players through a drafting mechanism to help make sure that all of your bases are covered.

And if it was all just about one's ability to coach. But the job is much more complicated than that. NIL monies, permission to coach a player hard, getting the best players to buy into what you are selling.

And unless you have an intimate view into the daily operations of the program, it becomes more difficult to effectively analyze the reasons for our coming up short.

 

[Lion_Backer]

I doubt anyone on this team gives a rats ass about who got to eat it and why.

I didn't realize that the post I made was addressed specifically to the players on our team.

SMH

JACKASS

 

[scrivener]

It's just not that simple. If this was an algebra problem .....

There are many moving parts (players) that change from year to year. A strength in an area one year can be a deficiency the next. And although you recruit players for each position that you hope will give you the best opportunity to win, the reality is that there has to be a mutual interest.

You don't get to select players through a drafting mechanism to help make sure that all of your bases are covered.

And if it was all just about one's ability to coach. But the job is much more complicated than that. NIL monies, permission to coach a player hard, getting the best players to buy into what you are selling.

And unless you have an intimate view into the daily operations of the program, it becomes more difficult to effectively analyze the reasons for our coming up short.

Ok...true..but if the annual problems arise in these big games, can't us regular fans that watch weekly and every yr make some deductions? obviously I don't have a front row seat, or a skeleton key inside Lasch bldg...neither does anyone on here. But, I can tell you that whatever process JF is using, especially if the litmus test is how we do vs the best in the league and our ability to compete for B1G titles, it aint working. I don't need a first-hand experience to figure that out. We have an abundance of NFL players over the last 11 yrs -- which to JF's credit -- is outstanding. Especially at a multitude of positions. Now, why can't they formulate into a big time, championship level group? Only JF has to answer for that. He is living off a fortuitous bounce on that blocked FG...and in his 11 yrs, has had some of the NFL's best on his team. Underachieving is my deduction, for what that's worth.

 

[crm114psu]

I didn't realize that the post I made was addressed specifically to the players on our team.

SMH

JACKASS

Then WTF was your reason in mentioning it? Has nothing to do with the thread title or discussion. You miss Joe? Go watch the recordings over and over so you can fulfill your mental masturbation needs.

 

[MacNit2.0]

The real question is becoming does CLF have the formula. Observing from ground level and evaluating each game on a case by case basis, one can certainly argue that he has us right there.

Over time, and observing from a higher altitude; well you don't want our program to start resembling the coyote that continually almost catches the roadrunner but ends up being foiled at every turn.

Also, winning Saturday would have been a wonderful B-12 shot for our future recruiting efforts.

Does CJF have the formula? The jury is still out, but your record is what it is.

Thinking back to the Paterno era, most anyone can make lasagna, but if you have SuePa's recipe and know how, you have the formula to close the deal. At least that is what I was told.

I had a couple of buddies who were on our team back in the day. They absolutely raved about her lasagna. And apparently, that was not a privilege that every recruit / player on the team had the opportunity to enjoy.

The jury has spoken…11 years? How long?

 

[joeaubie21]

I didn't realize that the post I made was addressed specifically to the players on our team.

SMH

JACKASS

crm?

🤡

 

[bvillebaron]

When you say you own every bit of it you can't follow it up by complaining about the officiating. To truly be accountable you can't blame others. You may take what he said as accountability but, to me, he's just saying what he thinks he has to and is still making excuses. No more excuses. He's been here too long Iong. Find a way.

But it’s okay for Day to complain about the officiating in the Oregon game right. Did he complain about the officiating after or during the game?

 

[bvillebaron]

The jury has spoken…11 years? How long?

Only took the winningest coach in college football history 17 years.

 

[Jerry]

But it’s okay for Day to complain about the officiating in the Oregon game right. Did he complain about the officiating after or during the game?

It's also OK for Day to storm onto the field, berate the refs, and throw his headset 10 yards as a gesture of outrage. He did that at a critical moment in the 4th quarter against Nebraska but wasn't penalized.

Unsportsmanlike conduct flags only go one way in the Big-2.

 

[scrivener]

Typical lazy argument from Bville comparing JFs success vs Joe...the eras are vastly different and the sport has changed 1000x from then to now. Comparing eras in any sport is stupid and ridiculous. But, if you do want to compare, Joe also had THREE undefeated seasons before winning his first title in 1986. JF whines about the length of a runway and fan expectations. His teams reflect the soft and "aw shucks" mentality he exudes. Joe rarely, if ever, had a soft team. This board never ceases to amaze me.

 

[AWS1022]

Typical lazy argument from Bville comparing JFs success vs Joe...the eras are vastly different and the sport has changed 1000x from then to now. Comparing eras in any sport is stupid and ridiculous. But, if you do want to compare, Joe also had THREE undefeated seasons before winning his first title in 1986. JF whines about the length of a runway and fan expectations. His teams reflect the soft and "aw shucks" mentality he exudes. Joe rarely, if ever, had a soft team. This board never ceases to amaze me.

And in how many of those undefeated seasons did he have to play two of the top four teams in the country? Franklin gets bashed on here for only beating teams that have less talent, but once again, Joe doesn’t get held to that standard.

 

[LandoComando]

But it’s okay for Day to complain about the officiating in the Oregon game right. Did he complain about the officiating after or during the game?

I dont have a problem with a coach yelling at the officials during the game...to me that's them trying to but themselves a call later. Franklin was complaining early about their DBs playing physical which I'm fine with. He was hoping eventually it would get him a call. The issue is after the game complaining about it. And yes I have an issue with Day or anyone else doing so.

You can't say it's all on me then make an excuse. Just can't.

 

[LandoComando]

It's also OK for Day to storm onto the field, berate the refs, and throw his headset 10 yards as a gesture of outrage. He did that at a critical moment in the 4th quarter against Nebraska but wasn't penalized.

Unsportsmanlike conduct flags only go one way in the Big-2.

That is never called...won't complain if it is but absolutely never called.

 

[joeaubie21]

But it’s okay for Day to complain about the officiating in the Oregon game right. Did he complain about the officiating after or during the game?

It's also OK for Day to storm onto the field, berate the refs, and throw his headset 10 yards as a gesture of outrage. He did that at a critical moment in the 4th quarter against Nebraska but wasn't penalized.

Unsportsmanlike conduct flags only go one way in the Big-2.

😮

 

[MacNit2.0]

Only took the winningest coach in college football history 17 years.

Only if you ignore 68, 69, and 73.

What are the Franklin equivalent to those years?

You are comparing CFB’s all-time winningest coach and best bowl game coach, one that was offered a partial ownership in an NFL franchise to coach their team to Franklin?

Franklin would be lucky to get another position coaching position in NFL.

Your comparison is laughable.

 

[scrivener]

Only if you ignore 68, 69, and 73.

What are the Franklin equivalent to those years?

You are comparing CFB’s all-time winningest coach and best bowl game coach, one that was offered a partial ownership in an NFL franchise to coach their team to Franklin?

Franklin would be lucky to get another position coaching position in NFL.

Your comparison is laughable.

That's all he knows is to make that comparison...Bville does it all the time. The lengths that some on here will go to protect JF from criticism is amazing.

 

[bvillebaron]

Typical lazy argument from Bville comparing JFs success vs Joe...the eras are vastly different and the sport has changed 1000x from then to now. Comparing eras in any sport is stupid and ridiculous. But, if you do want to compare, Joe also had THREE undefeated seasons before winning his first title in 1986. JF whines about the length of a runway and fan expectations. His teams reflect the soft and "aw shucks" mentality he exudes. Joe rarely, if ever, had a soft team. This board never ceases to amaze me.

As opposed to another stupid argument from you? No bigger Paterno fan than me but Penn State wasn’t playing a Big Ten schedule back then either. Engel left Paterno with a far better program than Franklin inherited which in his first two years were the two worst years of the impact of the sanctions. He won a Big Ten Title in year 3 which was the first year he had a full complement of scholarship
players. Hard to give your post any credence since for the record, Paterno won his first Natty in 1982. Loved how “tough” his team was and how imaginative the play calling was in the 1978 National Championship game on the goal line against Alabama. Complain all you want about whether Joe’s early undefeated teams were treated unfairly (and they may well have been), the fact is it was Joe’s 17th year as head coach, 1982, when he won his first Natty. Sorry if facts offend you. I am far from happy about the team’s record under Franklin against OSU, but outside of Michigan and now Oregon, unless I am mistaken Day has not lost to any other Big Ten team.

 

[nikko57]

As opposed to another stupid argument from you? No bigger Paterno fan than me but Penn State wasn’t playing a Big Ten schedule back then either. Engel left Paterno with a far better program than Franklin inherited which in his first two years were the two worst years of the impact of the sanctions. He won a Big Ten Title in year 3 which was the first year he had a full complement of scholarship
players. Hard to give your post any credence since for the record, Paterno won his first Natty in 1982. Loved how “tough” his team was and how imaginative the play calling was in the 1978 National Championship game on the goal line against Alabama. Complain all you want about whether Joe’s early undefeated teams were treated unfairly (and they may well have been), the fact is it was Joe’s 17th year as head coach, 1982, when he won his first Natty. Sorry if facts offend you. I am far from happy about the team’s record under Franklin against OSU, but outside of Michigan and now Oregon, unless I am mistaken Day has not lost to any other Big Ten team.

Keep wondering what bville?

 

[blair10]

As opposed to another stupid argument from you? No bigger Paterno fan than me but Penn State wasn’t playing a Big Ten schedule back then either. Engel left Paterno with a far better program than Franklin inherited which in his first two years were the two worst years of the impact of the sanctions. He won a Big Ten Title in year 3 which was the first year he had a full complement of scholarship
players. Hard to give your post any credence since for the record, Paterno won his first Natty in 1982. Loved how “tough” his team was and how imaginative the play calling was in the 1978 National Championship game on the goal line against Alabama. Complain all you want about whether Joe’s early undefeated teams were treated unfairly (and they may well have been), the fact is it was Joe’s 17th year as head coach, 1982, when he won his first Natty. Sorry if facts offend you. I am far from happy about the team’s record under Franklin against OSU, but outside of Michigan and now Oregon, unless I am mistaken Day has not lost to any other Big Ten team.

Do you realize that in 1982 and 1986 Penn State’s schedule included powerhouse programs Nebraska, Alabama, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, and Miami. The current B1G pales by comparison.

 

[scrivener]

Do you realize that in 1982 and 1986 Penn State’s schedule included powerhouse programs Nebraska, Alabama, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, and Miami. The current B1G pales by comparison.

the current B1G is absolute garbage compared to the 80s schedules, no doubt. The teams that made up the West division are typically horrid on offense, annually...who can barely score multiple TD's a game. Bville is a shill for JF....no question.

 

[scrivener]

As opposed to another stupid argument from you? No bigger Paterno fan than me but Penn State wasn’t playing a Big Ten schedule back then either. Engel left Paterno with a far better program than Franklin inherited which in his first two years were the two worst years of the impact of the sanctions. He won a Big Ten Title in year 3 which was the first year he had a full complement of scholarship
players. Hard to give your post any credence since for the record, Paterno won his first Natty in 1982. Loved how “tough” his team was and how imaginative the play calling was in the 1978 National Championship game on the goal line against Alabama. Complain all you want about whether Joe’s early undefeated teams were treated unfairly (and they may well have been), the fact is it was Joe’s 17th year as head coach, 1982, when he won his first Natty. Sorry if facts offend you. I am far from happy about the team’s record under Franklin against OSU, but outside of Michigan and now Oregon, unless I am mistaken Day has not lost to any other Big Ten team.

LOL questioning how tough Joe's teams were, especially in 1978, compared to the Charmin teams that JF fields is insanely ridiculous....the day that JF has a hard-scrabble, rugged, physical team that pushes people around, will be a first.

 

[AWS1022]

That's all he knows is to make that comparison...Bville does it all the time. The lengths that some on here will go to protect JF from criticism is amazing.

There’s a difference between criticizing him and saying he should be fired. You see that, right?

 

[ryoder1]

That's all he knows is to make that comparison...Bville does it all the time. The lengths that some on here will go to protect JF from criticism is amazing.

At the height of the dark years in 2001 Joe beat Ohio State. He was almost 75 when he did it with a less talented team than OSU and as an underdog. He beat them in '05, '08 and '11.

If you look at Joe when he was the age Franklin is now it is laughable to compare. It would be the '78 season. Headed to the NC game. Already 3 undefeated seasons under his belt and multiple big game wins just in '78 alone including wins over a ranked Pitt team, Maryland and Ohio State (shutout on the road). His teams always played tough, hard nosed, disciplined football. Ironically in that '78 game vs Pitt, Penn State faced a 4th down in the 4th quarter at just about the same spot on the field as where Penn State was on Saturday on their final drive and same time in the 4th quarter. Pitch to Guman who runs through a wide open hole created by our physical O-Line for a TD. On Sat? Not so much.