Is the B1G swallowing up Pitt?

[mikemauti42]

I think we are starting to see the beginning results of what adding Maryland and Rutgers to the BIG 10 has done to Pitt. The area from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Maryland has really become BIG 10 country. It was prior, but now you are starting to see Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, etc creep deeper into PA, over into New Jersey, and into Maryland. These schools recruited these areas before but now they are much more prevalent. In addition, I think Maryland and Rutgers will see an uptick and pull out the kids in Maryland and DC that the OSU, Michigan, Michigan State, and Penn State do not get, because they will want to play against their friends in the B1G.

Pitt is basically on an island by itself in Big 10 country. This won't prevent Pitt from getting Pittsburgh kids. I still think they will land them from time to time. However, outside of Pittsburgh, kids really are looking at Pitt as more of an afterthought than they had previously. If Pitt was getting second level recruits previously, I think they will start to see that even moreso. Instead of getting a top 10 kid in Jersey, they might start getting top 20+. I don't think we will see the true effect of this for a few years, but Maryland and Rutgers to the B1G was probably the worst case scenario for Pitt.

 

[lionlurker]

Pitt's problem, and to some extent ours, is that the WPIAL is a shadow of its former self. In the past, Pitt could survive on getting WPIAL leftovers and the occasional stud, and that would sustain them. Moving forward, there just aren't enough of those types of players. If they are getting mostly the #15 kids and below, from their home state, then they are going to find themselves longing for the Wanny and Walt days.

 

[pittguy81]

I think we are starting to see the beginning results of what adding Maryland and Rutgers to the BIG 10 has done to Pitt. The area from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Maryland has really become BIG 10 country. It was prior, but now you are starting to see Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, etc creep deeper into PA, over into New Jersey, and into Maryland. These schools recruited these areas before but now they are much more prevalent. In addition, I think Maryland and Rutgers will see an uptick and pull out the kids in Maryland and DC that the OSU, Michigan, Michigan State, and Penn State do not get, because they will want to play against their friends in the B1G.

Pitt is basically on an island by itself in Big 10 country. This won't prevent Pitt from getting Pittsburgh kids. I still think they will land them from time to time. However, outside of Pittsburgh, kids really are looking at Pitt as more of an afterthought than they had previously. If Pitt was getting second level recruits previously, I think they will start to see that even moreso. I don't think we will see the true effect of this for a few years, but Maryland and Rutgers to the B1G was probably the worst case scenario for Pitt.

The population in the ACC geographic footprint in growing and the Big10 population centers are declining. They have no impact whatever on Pitt.

Your hatred of and obsession with Pitt rivals that of some of the lunatics on Pantherlair vis a vis PSU

 

[lionlurker]

Actually, it's a relevant observation, because the decline of the WPIAL affects both Pitt and Penn State.

 

[robbrunskill]

The population in the ACC geographic footprint in growing and the Big10 population centers are declining. They have no impact whatever on Pitt.

Your hatred of and obsession with Pitt rivals that of some of the lunatics on Pantherlair vis a vis PSU

I think you of guilty of reiterating what the top poster said but paraphrasing so that you can insult instead of agree with him.

 

[mikemauti42]

The population in the ACC geographic footprint in growing and the Big10 population centers are declining. They have no impact whatever on Pitt.

Your hatred of and obsession with Pitt rivals that of some of the lunatics on Pantherlair vis a vis PSU

Yet, here you are responding within 10 minutes of my post. Just randomly on BWI or finger continually hitting the refresh button.

Look at Pitt's recruiting thus far. The only interest you hear from bigtime recruits is within 30 miles of campus.

 

[jabba2]

They'll still get an occasional big time recruit, like Whitehead last year. No one except some locals could understand why he choose Pitt. But its been this way for awhile. Wannstedt is the only coach since the early 90's that could recruit at Pitt at any decent level.

 

[pittguy81]

... If they are getting mostly the #15 kids and below, from their home state, then they are going to find themselves longing for the Wanny and Walt days.

For the past 5 or 6 years, save last year, Pitt has at worst held their own with PSU regarding the top 10 PA kids or outright beat PSU in terms of landing more of them.

 

[mikemauti42]

For the past 5 or 6 years, save last year, Pitt has at worst held their own with PSU regarding the top 10 PA kids or outright beat PSU in terms of landing more of them.

No one is talking about 5 or 6 years ago. We are talking about moving forward and the future. Last year, you were dominated. This year, outside of some potential recruits in Pittsburgh, name another kind in New Jersey, PA, Or Maryland that you feel good about landing.

 

[pittguy81]

Yet, here you are responding within 10 minutes of my post. Just randomly on BWI or finger continually hitting the refresh button.

Look at Pitt's recruiting thus far. The only interest you hear from bigtime recruits is within 30 miles of campus.

I grew up in a PSU family and like PSU. I went to every home game at Beaver Stadium from 1968 to 1976. My dad was an usher...started while he was getting his Masters.

Arrogant and condescending folks like you give PSU a bad name.

I'll take talented recruits over big name recruits. Antonio Logan El was a Big Name recruit. James Conner was a talented recruit. Eric Shrive was a Big Name Recruit. Aaron Donald was a talented recruit.

 

[NittPicker]

I don't think it's just Pitt. They'll never admit it but I think the ACC now has buyer's remorse with their three Yankee schools. With Maryland making the move to the Big Ten there is no continuity in the ACC footprint. It's a five hour drive from Pittsburgh to Charlottesville but it may as well be two days because those two schools have nothing in common. Not many people in Tobacco Road give a damn about what happens north of Washington D.C.

 

[mikemauti42]

I grew up in a PSU family and like PSU. I went to every home game at Beaver Stadium from 1968 to 1976. My dad was an usher...started while he was getting his Masters.

Arrogant and condescending folks like you give PSU a bad name.

I'll take talented recruits over big name recruits. Antonio Logan El was a Big Name recruit. James Conner was a talented recruit. Eric Shrive was a Big Name Recruit. Aaron Donald was a talented recruit.

You can always point out a few exceptions in recruiting. I'll take the teams that generally land better classes. Nothing about my post was arrogant. It is why I see happening going forward. Do you have an argument or can you provide examples of kids Pitt has a good chance within outside of Pittsburgh in the NJ, MD, PA area?

 

[pittguy81]

No one is talking about 5 or 6 years ago. We are talking about moving forward and the future. Last year, you were dominated. This year, outside of some potential recruits in Pittsburgh, name another kind in New Jersey, PA, Or Maryland that you feel good about landing.

Than look 2 or 3 years ago.

 

[mikemauti42]

Than look 2 or 3 years ago.

Why do you want me to look back at a time when Penn State was on sanctions and Maryland and Rutgers were not in the B1G? It would have nothing to do with my argument which stated "The Additions of Rutgers and Maryland" to the B1G.

 

[lionlurker]

For the past 5 or 6 years, save last year, Pitt has at worst held their own with PSU regarding the top 10 PA kids or outright beat PSU in terms of landing more of them.

True. And if Joe were still alive, or had been succeeded by Bradley or someone like him, it might have continued. However, JF is a different animal when it comes to recruiting, and that is being demonstrated.

 

[pittguy81]

You can always point out a few exceptions in recruiting. I'll take the teams that generally land better classes. Nothing about my post was arrogant. It is why I see happening going forward. Do you have an argument or can you provide examples of kids Pitt has a good chance within outside of Pittsburgh in the NJ, MD, PA area?

Colon, Johncarlo Valentin, Mark Gilbert, Zach Gilbert and Quayshon Alexander to name a few

 

[NittPicker]

I grew up in a PSU family and like PSU. I went to every home game at Beaver Stadium from 1968 to 1976. My dad was an usher...started while he was getting his Masters.

Arrogant and condescending folks like you give PSU a bad name.

I'll take talented recruits over big name recruits. Antonio Logan El was a Big Name recruit. James Conner was a talented recruit. Eric Shrive was a Big Name Recruit. Aaron Donald was a talented recruit.

I can play that game too. Todd Thomas was a big name recruit. Jonathan Baldwin was a big name recruit. Pat Bostick was a big name recruit. Paul Posluszny was a talented recruit. Arrogant and condescending? That sounds like you.

 

[pittguy81]

True. And if Joe were still alive, or had been succeeded by Bradley or someone like him, it might have continued. However, JF is a different animal when it comes to recruiting, and that is being demonstrated.

He has one class, which was undeniably very good. The rest is unkown and unknowable at this poin.

I will say he has shown himself to be a mediocre at best game day coach based on last year

 

[Alphabets]

I knew a few Pitt girls. All swallowers.

 

[lionlurker]

Based on last year, I'm not arguing. We all hope he does better this year. And moving forward, he'll have better players, and more players, to work with.

However, he did very well at Vanderbilt. No reason to think that was a fluke. The largest issue last year was something he could do nothing about, and that was the OL.

And actually, he's had two very good classes. The first class that he threw together after he was hired, with some of those Vandy kids, was also a strong group. Not like last year's, or what like 2016 is looking like, but still a lot higher than Pitt's class.

 

[pittguy81]

I can play that game too. Todd Thomas was a big name recruit. Jonathan Baldwin was a big name recruit. Pat Bostick was a big name recruit. Paul Posluszny was a talented recruit. Arrogant and condescending? That sounds like you.

Oh well than I guess Pitt gets big name recruits and talented recruits. Kind of undercuts the whole PSU argument. Thanks for the help.

 

[pittguy81]

I knew a few Pitt girls. All swallowers.

Is that a bad thing?

 

[mikemauti42]

Colon, Johncarlo Valentin, Mark Gilbert, Zach Gilbert and Quayshon Alexander to name a few

You are not listening......Colon, Gilbert, and Gilbert are from North Carolina not MD, NJ, or PA. With that said, you have absolutely not shot at Colon. He has Pitt labeled as 5b in his top 5 and said his top 5 could change if he gets better offers. I would doubt you get Mark Gilbert unless he wants to play with his Cousin Zach (who I think you have a shot at), but again NC was not part of my argument.

As for Valentin and Alexander, Good luck with their offer lists. I don't see it happening. Has either even visited yet? I believe I have heard people will be shocked if Alexander doesn't go to Nebraska and Valentin was just offered by Auburn...ya Pitt's not winning that.

 

[mikemauti42]

Oh well than I guess Pitt gets big name recruits and talented recruits. Kind of undercuts the whole PSU argument. Thanks for the help.

No, you have basically taken the entire conversation and tried to make your own argument that doesn't fit the premise of the original argument.

 

[NittPicker]

Oh well than I guess Pitt gets big name recruits and talented recruits. Kind of undercuts the whole PSU argument. Thanks for the help.

So Pitt gets big name recruits and still sucks. Nobody does less with more than Pitt. Thanks for admitting that.

 

[mikemauti42]

This has to potential for a legit discussion regarding the B1G and Maryland and Rutgers being the worst case scenario for Pitt, and of course, a Pitt fan shows up and tries to tilt the discussion as to whether Franklin can coach(despite making Vanderbilt a much better program than Pitt has been in 30 years....Vanderbilt) and whether Pitt was able to land recruits 5 or 6 years ago.

 

[Alphabets]

This has to potential for a legit discussion regarding the B1G and Maryland and Rutgers being the worst case scenario for Pitt, and of course, a Pitt fan shows up and tries to tilt the discussion as to whether Franklin can coach(despite making Vanderbilt a much better program than Pitt has been in 30 years....Vanderbilt) and whether Pitt was able to land recruits 5 or 6 years ago.

Shocking.

 

[pittguy81]

No, you have basically taken the entire conversation and tried to make your own argument that doesn't fit the premise of the original argument.

It's not hard to understand. Pitt being in the ACC has opened up new recruiting territories for them. It doesn't matter if a kid is from NC, VA, MD NJ PA OH FL etc.

Kids seeing former Pitt players like Fitz, Shady, Revis and Aaron Donald in the NFL adds credibility as a viable option.

The Big 10 is a Midwestern centric conference and always will be. PSU , RU and MD are outliers as much as Pitt is. Your argument is specious.

 

[pittguy81]

So Pitt gets big name recruits and still sucks. Nobody does less with more than Pitt. Thanks for admitting that.

You're pretty unpleasant.

 

[mikemauti42]

It's not hard to understand. Pitt being in the ACC has opened up new recruiting territories for them. It doesn't matter if a kid is from NC, VA, MD NJ PA OH FL etc.

Kids seeing former Pitt players like Fitz, Shady, Revis and Aaron Donald in the NFL adds credibility as a viable option.

The Big 10 is a Midwestern centric conference and always will be. PSU , RU and MD are outliers as much as Pitt is. Your argument is specious.

My argument is dead on. Pitt is not going to be landing big time kids in those areas. They do not have enough pull. The results speak for themselves. the interest speaks for itself. I've seen very little outside of Pittsburgh.

 

[pittguy81]

My argument is dead on. Pitt is not going to be landing big time kids in those areas. They do not have enough pull. The results speak for themselves. the interest speaks for itself. I've seen very little outside of Pittsburgh.

Your argument is based upon hate and hope.

New coach and aggressive staff who are in their first recruiting cycle. Proclamations in May mean nothing, nor do commit lists. February will tell the tale.

 

[mikemauti42]

Your argument is based upon hate and hope.

New coach and aggressive staff who are in their first recruiting cycle. Proclamations in May mean nothing, nor do commit lists. February will tell the tale.

I hate to burst your bubble, but a lot of times the first recruiting cycle of a new staff is the best. The excitement and renewal of hope around the Pitt program should have landed much more than Macvittie and Ford....Butler is gone. Franklin had the number 1 class in the nation last year at this time and finished 15th. Pitt has no shot of that based on the interest level.

 

[pittguy81]

I hate to burst your bubble, but a lot of times the first recruiting cycle of a new staff is the best. The excitement and renewal of hope around the Pitt program should have landed much more than Macvittie and Ford....Butler is gone. Franklin had the number 1 class in the nation last year at this time and finished 15th. Pitt has no shot of that based on the interest level.

Butler is as solid as Lavert Hill....and of course Miles Sanders is taking an official to Pitt even though he's been there a million times and it's 15 minutes from home.

I don't really care about class ranking I just want to see more production on the field...as I'm sure you do from PSU.

 

[lionlurker]

As a Pittsburgh resident, I don't actually want Pitt to go 0-11 each year, believe it or not.

 

[mikemauti42]

so back to the original discussion. is the B1G swallowing up Pitt?

 

[lionlurker]

I would tend to agree that recruiting got a lot harder for Pitt.

 

[jabba2]

For the past 5 or 6 years, save last year, Pitt has at worst held their own with PSU regarding the top 10 PA kids or outright beat PSU in terms of landing more of them.

It's not hard to understand. Pitt being in the ACC has opened up new recruiting territories for them. It doesn't matter if a kid is from NC, VA, MD NJ PA OH FL etc.

Kids seeing former Pitt players like Fitz, Shady, Revis and Aaron Donald in the NFL adds credibility as a viable option.

The Big 10 is a Midwestern centric conference and always will be. PSU , RU and MD are outliers as much as Pitt is. Your argument is specious.

Its not happening. Pitt cant recruit well outside of Western PA. Wannstedt was able to get a handful of good players in out-lier states like NY and NJ/ Maryland. Both now B1G territory, which appears to have hurt Pitt.

 

[NittPicker]

It's not hard to understand. Pitt being in the ACC has opened up new recruiting territories for them. It doesn't matter if a kid is from NC, VA, MD NJ PA OH FL etc.

Kids seeing former Pitt players like Fitz, Shady, Revis and Aaron Donald in the NFL adds credibility as a viable option.

The Big 10 is a Midwestern centric conference and always will be. PSU , RU and MD are outliers as much as Pitt is. Your argument is specious.

Yeah, because since those guys played for coaching staffs which are long gone recruits will want to flock to Pitt. High school kids aren't that stupid but then again maybe Pitt is banking on the fact they are.

I remember when it was announced TCU was going to join the Big East. Pitt fans were ecstatic and felt Texas blue chippers would be flocking to Oakland because the Texas recruiting pipeline was tapped. Of course the TCU move later fell apart. The point is simply having a state in your conference doesn't automatically mean you'll get recruits from there. Much more goes into it than that.

Your outlier theory if full of holes too. As a conference, the schools in the Big Ten have much more in common institutionally than do the ACC schools. That more than makes up for your geographical reference which nowadays means nothing. Northwestern aside, the Big Ten is made up of large state schools with sizeable alumni bases. The ACC is an odd conglomeration of large state schools and small private schools. Pitt is an outlier not only in a simple geographical sense but also it how its profile compares to others within the conference.

 

[lionlurker]

Pittperson, if all of that is true, then the recruits should start rolling in any day now.

 

[pittguy81]

Its not happening. Pitt cant recruit well outside of Western PA. Wannstedt was able to get a handful of good players in out-lier states like NY and NJ/ Maryland. Both now B1G territory, which appears to have hurt Pitt.

All of you Nostradumbasses are comical.

Making proclamations based upon one year's of empirical evidence is simply stupid.