Jacob Warner is the REAL DEAL
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Pie-In-The-Sky Finalists Scenario for the Big Guys (and for fans who love a multi-team dogfight)
125: Lee vs. NaTo [Picc]*
133: Brock vs Micic
141: McKenna vs. Heil
149: Sorensen vs. Retherford
157: Kemerer vs. Nolf
165: Massa vs. Joseph
174: BoJo vs. Hall
184: PD3 vs. Nickal [MyMar]*
197: Warner vs. Moore
285: Coon vs. Snyder
[ ]* Possible alternative
That would give PSU, tOSU, and Iowa 5 finalists each . . . Meatchicken with 3, OkSt with 2.
Then go to supporting casts:
PSU: Nevills, Cutch/Cassar, Cortez/Lee, Keener
tOSU: MyMar, MiJo, Campbell, Hayes, Pletcher
Iowa: Stoll, Marinelli, Wilcke, Gunther
OkSt: Picc, Weigel, Rogers, Geo/Boo, White, Jacobe
Michigan: Abounader, Amine, Pantaleo, Beazley
If, and it's a HUGE IF, Iowa can get 5 in the finals, PSU would likely have the edge in number of champs, a clear edge in bonus points, and arguably a slight edge in supporting cast. In fact, Iowa going 0-fer in the finals would be a very real possibility. Doubtful they could get more than 1 champ. They would need help from teams other than tOSU and the other "big guys" to keep PSU from getting 4 or 5 finalists.
And then they would need to outperform tOSU in the finals and in bonus points.
More realistically, they would need to hope some studs from PSU and tOSU go down with injury, illness, or ineligibility.
Quite a gamble to make a call before Jan/Feb if you subscribe to redshirts paying big dividends down the road.
125: Lee vs. NaTo [Picc]*
133: Brock vs Micic
141: McKenna vs. Heil
149: Sorensen vs. Retherford
157: Kemerer vs. Nolf
165: Massa vs. Joseph
174: BoJo vs. Hall
184: PD3 vs. Nickal [MyMar]*
197: Warner vs. Moore
285: Coon vs. Snyder
[ ]* Possible alternative
That would give PSU, tOSU, and Iowa 5 finalists each . . . Meatchicken with 3, OkSt with 2.
Then go to supporting casts:
PSU: Nevills, Cutch/Cassar, Cortez/Lee, Keener
tOSU: MyMar, MiJo, Campbell, Hayes, Pletcher
Iowa: Stoll, Marinelli, Wilcke, Gunther
OkSt: Picc, Weigel, Rogers, Geo/Boo, White, Jacobe
Michigan: Abounader, Amine, Pantaleo, Beazley
If, and it's a HUGE IF, Iowa can get 5 in the finals, PSU would likely have the edge in number of champs, a clear edge in bonus points, and arguably a slight edge in supporting cast. In fact, Iowa going 0-fer in the finals would be a very real possibility. Doubtful they could get more than 1 champ. They would need help from teams other than tOSU and the other "big guys" to keep PSU from getting 4 or 5 finalists.
And then they would need to outperform tOSU in the finals and in bonus points.
More realistically, they would need to hope some studs from PSU and tOSU go down with injury, illness, or ineligibility.
Quite a gamble to make a call before Jan/Feb if you subscribe to redshirts paying big dividends down the road.
I suppose every message board needs some comic relief.
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I would be surprised if PSU gets 5 finalists again this year. PSU had the perfect tournament last year.
People are calculating PSUs points as if they're a lock for 5 champs again.
If PSU only gets 2 champs this year which I think is a realistic scenario, then Iowa can contend and win this year.
If PSU pulls 5 champs again, then yeah no one is touching them.
I just see a very realistic scenario where PSU does not repeat.
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Yep. People are acting like PSU is a lock for 5 champs. I'd say the odds of that happening this season are significantly lower than it not happening. Plus the holes in PSUs lineup.
It's gonna be a fun season.
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I can’t really wrap my mind about the statement that Bo is a favorite against everyone in the field but an underdog against the field. Makes no sense to my logical mind.
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Pretty easy concept to grasp. Think about it in another context.
Patriots may be the favorite over any individual team. But if you had to pick a team at the beginning of the year to win the Superbowl would you rather put money on just the Patriots or the 31 other teams combined if it was a choice between those 2 baskets. Everyone rational is going to take the field.
You are right about a realistic scenario where PSU doesn't repeat this year. But it invloves tOSU, not Iowa. And btw, there is also a very realistic scenario that PSU gets 6 into the finals this year. (Add Nevills)
It's unbelievably ludicrous for any knowledgeable wrestling fan to state that Nickal is not a favorite to repeat. Simply absurd.
If you want to tell me Zahid edges Mark in a squeaker, or IMar avenges his defeat to Cenzo, fine.
But, barring injuries, PSU is STARTING OFF with three National Champions and going from there.
If you want to tell me Zahid edges Mark in a squeaker, or IMar avenges his defeat to Cenzo, fine.
But, barring injuries, PSU is STARTING OFF with three National Champions and going from there.
Except in this example, put the Patriots into the college football playoff -- only Alabama has as many current NFL players on its roster.
Also replace the Patriots with the 85 Bears.
Between the letters to the compliance offices and all his increased activity lately, I'm thinking Iowa wrestling has taken on a greater significance in Vodka's life recently. Perhaps he has been added to work with Larry Lee on the Brand's first auxillary citizen's consulting group (unpaid of course to stay in the "grey" area).
Crossing fingers this is so. Then we can look forward to 2021 interviews of Brands letting us know he has had his crack analytics team figure that bonus points are critical and that the new style of Iowa wrestling will take care of this and lead them back to the promised land.
Crossing fingers this is so. Then we can look forward to 2021 interviews of Brands letting us know he has had his crack analytics team figure that bonus points are critical and that the new style of Iowa wrestling will take care of this and lead them back to the promised land.
Does this Civilian Auxiliary group use a Dead Drop in the Sauna at the practice facility?
If he needs someone on crack to perform a 2-hr analysis, we may have just the man for him.
Said in jest, but delete this quickly before Vodka tracks him down. He would help their recruiting...
By emailing Brands to put a FULL COURT PRESS !!!! on kids Cael doesn't really want?
Listen, you make jokes, but if he ever gets the HR showing recruits the love on twitter we are in BIG trouble.
Question is, is this an impressive win a month from now? Miklus missed last year, it is early in the season, maybe Miklus is not back in form? Maybe in a month, Miklus demonstrates that he is wrestling good, thus good win.
A few years ago beating Tsirtis would have been considered an impressive win, now he is not even a starter. Just sayin.
A few years ago beating Tsirtis would have been considered an impressive win, now he is not even a starter. Just sayin.
Hard to take anything away from Warner b/c he looked like he was running a clinic but Miklus didn't put up much of a fight. Two guys wrestling at two different speeds.
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at the linewood open.
Your happy, hes good. We get it, we have been acknowledging it.
still no need to celebrate your circle jerk-gookie cookie here.
Your point is?
Im not in the camp that Warner is not good so I'm not trying to chop him down. But that is some weak sauce you are bringing. You would expect anyone in the top 15 or so to bonus their way to the finals given that the best kid in that side was the D2 kid who is at best a very average D1 kid. Not sure where Miklus stands right now in terms of 197. If I had to guess it will be just like he stood at 184. On some days he will be top 5, on some days he will be top 20ish.
Cut him some slack. He wants to talk about a kid they have that is going to be great, and he wants an audience that understands what he is saying and appreciates the excitement. He can't find that at home.
If my boots are shaking, my wife is smiling.
Not being a smart ass, honest assessment. If you have the PD3 kid and you put Lee and Warner in the line-ups I see a team capable of wrestling for 3rd in the NCAAs and you will have a few kids I enjoy watching.
At the end of the day, the Iowa lineup with a strong 125, 165, 184 and 197 is pretty solid and a strong tournament performance means you take a significant bite out of Ohio State's point total. I can live with that.
The funniest part about Vodka's take is in his mind it is reasonable to assume Iowa with no champions (1 finals appearance) in their lineup will have 5 finalists, while Penn State with 5 champions (8 finals appearances) in their lineup it is a stretch to think they might have 5 again.
I'm starting to think our Hawk friends have a point when they say we obsess over Iowa too much.
Maybe we should talk more about Lehigh. They have a returning champ. And they just waxed Michigan.
do they have a message board? If not probably only going to mention them in passing.
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