JJ Van Den Berg

[lazydave841]

Who? The Stanford transfers? You saw their O line last year? Those kids better than the 3 NFL LINEMEN that got drafted.

I call B.S.

I'm of the opinion to prove it. There are some predictions that Michigan will have a better OL. It could happen. The one was a top 100 recruit, but the fact he didn't sniff the NFL tells me he needs more work. The other was a 1000ish kid who seemingly did well.

Corum returning from injury is likely a year away from being the '22 Corum. Just my projection. Edwards is still formidable and can burn us. No true #1 WR, but 2 solid guys return.

I believe the defense takes a step back. A lot of holes to fill.

Or...Harbaugh is the new Kirby and supplants the former conference king and just continues to reload. It could happen. I think last year was the anomaly. I could be wrong.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

I'm of the opinion to prove it. There are some predictions that Michigan will have a better OL. It could happen. The one was a top 100 recruit, but the fact he didn't sniff the NFL tells me he needs more work. The other was a 1000ish kid who seemingly did well.

Corum returning from injury is likely a year away from being the '22 Corum. Just my projection. Edwards is still formidable and can burn us. No true #1 WR, but 2 solid guys return.

I believe the defense takes a step back. A lot of holes to fill.

Or...Harbaugh is the new Kirby and supplants the former conference king and just continues to reload. It could happen. I think last year was the anomaly. I could be wrong.

We have a QB that Michigan needs to respect now.

 

[lazydave841]

We have a QB that Michigan needs to respect now.

Probably true. Had Singleton not dropped the pass he dropped, we probably view his performance better than we did. Still, Michigan pinned their ears back and came hard. OL gotta get us some holes in the running game. Gotta pick up rush better.

Allar can be 1st team AA quality, but he needs some help.

 

[voltz99]

TCU is still shaking…0h wait…

Three DTs 320lb + on tcu roster.

 

[MacNit07]

Three DTs 320lb + on tcu roster.

Talented? How did the handle Georgia? Any big guy can eat his way to 300#

 

[lazydave841]

Three DTs 320lb + on tcu roster.

Only 2 according to the one I saw (3rd NT was 315), but they played DEs that were 275 to 290.

They also didn't stop Michigan, even though they beat them. The big difference was TCU was able to score with them. They did force 5 punts (5 more than we did *barf*), but we gave up less points (although I'm sure Michigan had another TD in them).

 

[GregInPitt]

Three DTs 320lb + on tcu roster.

The Steelers don't have three DT's 320lbs on their roster.

Big and fat is over rated..........

 

[voltz99]

Talented? How did the handle Georgia? Any big guy can eat his way to 300#

How did they handle Michigan? How did psu handle Michigan?

 

[voltz99]

The Steelers don't have three DT's 320lbs on their roster.

Big and fat is over rated..........

Ironic that Franklin said they needed to get bigger.

Michigan 41, Psu 17. 418 yds rushing for Michigan.

Tcu 41, Michigan 45. 186 yds rushing for Michigan.

NFL teams don't have 120 players on their rosters. Only have 53.

 

[Psugo823]

Ironic that Franklin said they needed to get bigger.

Michigan 41, Psu 17. 418 yds rushing for Michigan.

Tcu 41, Michigan 45. 186 yds rushing for Michigan.

NFL teams don't have 120 players on their rosters. Only have 53.

The irony is that as soon as he walked his comment back Beamon went out and LOST another 20 pounds 😆 🤣 😂

 

[voltz99]

The Steelers don't have three DT's 320lbs on their roster.

Big and fat is over rated..........

This ain't soccer

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Ironic that Franklin said they needed to get bigger.

Michigan 41, Psu 17. 418 yds rushing for Michigan.

Tcu 41, Michigan 45. 186 yds rushing for Michigan.

NFL teams don't have 120 players on their rosters. Only have 53.

No... He didn't say fatter.. God, you guys can beat a dead horse 5 decades after it is fossilized.

 

[RickinDayton]

We have a QB that Michigan needs to respect now.

We know Allar ha a cannon for an arm, but we haven't to wait and see how will do a a starter playigan entire game. Jury still out on PSU QB situation.

 

[GregInPitt]

Ironic that Franklin said they needed to get bigger.

Michigan 41, Psu 17. 418 yds rushing for Michigan.

Tcu 41, Michigan 45. 186 yds rushing for Michigan.

NFL teams don't have 120 players on their rosters. Only have 53.

Yep, and if they needed 320 lb DT's to stop NFL running games, they would have them in those 53.

PSU didn't field 320 lb DT's when they beat Michigan 3 of the last 6 years......

The whole DL, DT's and DE's could be a little bigger and stronger and I believe that is what Franklin was referring to. PSU had stronger 3 tech DT's in the past vs what Beamon's size and strength has been the last 2 years. Beamon is currently listed at 256 lbs, more NFL LB size than DT. And as good as Robinson was rushing the QB, playing DE at under 240 lbs didn't help PSU stop good running teams either. And as some have already stated, Sutherland and Elsdon were on the ground when the Michigan RB's were running by.

PSU doesn't need big and fat DT's to beat Michigan, but better DT's and better players at a few other positions as well.

 

[GregInPitt]

This ain't soccer

Duh......

 

[royboy]

We know Allar ha a cannon for an arm, but we haven't to wait and see how will do a a starter playigan entire game. Jury still out on PSU QB situation.

The jury may be out, but I don't think it will be a long deliberation. Available evidence is positive.

 

[Psugo823]

The jury may be out, but I don't think it will be a long deliberation. Available evidence is positive.

He's gonna hit them. As long as they catch it, we're gonna win.

I'm not sold on Wallace. I'm not worried about Cephas or KLS though. I think McClain will end up being the 3rd by mid season.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

He's gonna hit them. As long as they catch it, we're gonna win.

I'm not sold on Wallace. I'm not worried about Cephas or KLS though. I think McClain will end up being the 3rd by mid season.

My prediction for our best wrs would be:
1. Cephas
2. KLS
3. Wallace
4. McClain

 

[voltz99]

Yep, and if they needed 320 lb DT's to stop NFL running games, they would have them in those 53.

PSU didn't field 320 lb DT's when they beat Michigan 3 of the last 6 years......

The whole DL, DT's and DE's could be a little bigger and stronger and I believe that is what Franklin was referring to. PSU had stronger 3 tech DT's in the past vs what Beamon's size and strength has been the last 2 years. Beamon is currently listed at 256 lbs, more NFL LB size than DT. And as good as Robinson was rushing the QB, playing DE at under 240 lbs didn't help PSU stop good running teams either. And as some have already stated, Sutherland and Elsdon were on the ground when the Michigan RB's were running by.

PSU doesn't need big and fat DT's to beat Michigan, but better DT's and better players at a few other positions as well.

-Was Mustipher on the team the last 5 years?

 

[lazydave841]

-Was Mustipher on the team the last 5 years?

Mustipher was a 285 lbs recruit that played around 305/310 until he put on weight for '21. He was around 331 until the injury @ Iowa sidelined him.

 

[Wallace Breen]

We have a QB that Michigan needs to respect now.

They had to respect Clifford's legs, as did everyone we played. They are now in Green Bay. While Allar is more mobile than Anthony Morelli, he is closer to Hackenberg (who wasn't a statue but wasn't terribly mobile) than Clifford. I certainly don't discount the impact on opposing defenses.

I think people are getting carried away with their praise for the line. The line was not very good before the Michigan game, frequently getting beat up by the likes of Central Michigan, then it fell apart in Ann Arbor. Neither team brought the house and both employed dedicated personnel to spy the QB on many plays. OSU only rushed 3 or 4 most plays. They only looked above average (never good) against Rutgers, Indiana, Maryland and Michigan State, none of whom had much of a pass rush (Sparty was down the majority of its two deep on defense including the best pass rusher in the league).

We only looked above average when we moved to 12 personnel after KLM was benched. The receiving corps certainly looks no better than last year when we fielded the least amount of talent at the position since the dark years and all indications are we are going back to the 3 receive set full time in 2023.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Mustipher was a 285 lbs recruit that played around 305/310 until he put on weight for '21. He was around 331 until the injury @ Iowa sidelined him.

So, he was too heavy for his joints, I guess? Guys that argue that 331 is better than 310 need to watch film instead of do alchemy weight math.

 

[Psugo823]

They had to respect Clifford's legs, as did everyone we played. They are now in Green Bay. While Allar is more mobile than Anthony Morelli, he is closer to Hackenberg (who wasn't a statue but wasn't terribly mobile) than Clifford. I certainly don't discount the impact on opposing defenses.

I think people are getting carried away with their praise for the line. The line was not very good before the Michigan game, frequently getting beat up by the likes of Central Michigan, then it fell apart in Ann Arbor. Neither team brought the house and both employed dedicated personnel to spy the QB on many plays. OSU only rushed 3 or 4 most plays. They only looked above average (never good) against Rutgers, Indiana, Maryland and Michigan State, none of whom had much of a pass rush (Sparty was down the majority of its two deep on defense including the best pass rusher in the league).

We only looked above average when we moved to 12 personnel after KLM was benched. The receiving corps certainly looks no better than last year when we fielded the least amount of talent at the position since the dark years and all indications are we are going back to the 3 receive set full time in 2023.

Allar is not "close to Hackenberg" in any way shape or form...running OR passing. That's b.s. and you know it.

 

[Psugo823]

My prediction for our best wrs would be:
1. Cephas
2. KLS
3. Wallace
4. McClain

1. Cephas
2. McClain
3. Theo
4. KLS

 

[Wallace Breen]

Allar is not "close to Hackenberg" in any way shape or form...running OR passing. That's b.s. and you know it.

I didn't say they were the same, Hack had a much better arm with better precision than what we have seen out of Allar on tape. Allar is a better runner but closer to Hack than Clifford whose legs were a true asset.

 

[Wallace Breen]

1. Cephas
2. McClain
3. Theo
4. KLS

I am hoping McClain emerges. Cephus was the second best receiver on his team last year. KLS hasn't shown much. If McClain were to emerge as a legit X, Cephus plays the Z and Wallace comes in to play the slot while running a two TE set most of the time, I would be far less concerned.

 

[Wallace Breen]

So, he was too heavy for his joints, I guess? Guys that argue that 331 is better than 310 need to watch film instead of do alchemy weight math.

Whatever Mustipher was the last two years was way too heavy given that he tries to play like a 3 tech most of the time.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

They had to respect Clifford's legs, as did everyone we played. They are now in Green Bay. While Allar is more mobile than Anthony Morelli, he is closer to Hackenberg (who wasn't a statue but wasn't terribly mobile) than Clifford. I certainly don't discount the impact on opposing defenses.

I think people are getting carried away with their praise for the line. The line was not very good before the Michigan game, frequently getting beat up by the likes of Central Michigan, then it fell apart in Ann Arbor. Neither team brought the house and both employed dedicated personnel to spy the QB on many plays. OSU only rushed 3 or 4 most plays. They only looked above average (never good) against Rutgers, Indiana, Maryland and Michigan State, none of whom had much of a pass rush (Sparty was down the majority of its two deep on defense including the best pass rusher in the league).

We only looked above average when we moved to 12 personnel after KLM was benched. The receiving corps certainly looks no better than last year when we fielded the least amount of talent at the position since the dark years and all indications are we are going back to the 3 receive set full time in 2023.

Cliffords legs last year? Please.

 

[voltz99]

Mustipher was a 285 lbs recruit that played around 305/310 until he put on weight for '21. He was around 331 until the injury @ Iowa sidelined him.

He was not a recruit the last 5 years. In HS he had to hold 285 to wrestle. He was listed at 318 and was over 320 at times.

 

[voltz99]

I didn't say they were the same, Hack had a much better arm with better precision than what we have seen out of Allar on tape. Allar is a better runner but closer to Hack than Clifford whose legs were a true asset.

Hack was precision??? Lol.

 

[PSUWrestlingFanSince2011]

Hack was precision??? Lol.

This has to be a joke

 

[Wallace Breen]

Hack was precision??? Lol.

Watch the film. It flies off the tape in 2013 and it did to a certain degree in 2014 as well but the coaching, playing calling etc were so bad it gets overlooked because of Donovan's sheer incompetence. There is no denying it. When he had time to set and throw, we haven't had that kind of precision since Kerry Collins.

 

[royboy]

Watch the film. It flies off the tape in 2013 and it did to a certain degree in 2014 as well but the coaching, playing calling etc were so bad it gets overlooked because of Donovan's sheer incompetence. There is no denying it. When he had time to set and throw, we haven't had that kind of precision since Kerry Collins.

Hard to take you seriously.

Hackenberg had trouble completing a simple swing pass; his accuracy on short throws was poor to below average.

Both Trace McSorely and Sean Clifford were more accurate.

 

[Wallace Breen]

Hard to take you seriously.

Hackenberg had trouble completing a simple swing pass; his accuracy on short throws was poor to below average.

Both Trace McSorely and Sean Clifford were more accurate.

So, your evidence is a spread offense swing pass that requires the legs and feed of a dual threat QB, which he isn't. You are judging his precision based on a throw he can't be expected to make. Got it.

 

[lazydave841]

So, he was too heavy for his joints, I guess? Guys that argue that 331 is better than 310 need to watch film instead of do alchemy weight math.

I have no idea about that. Articles mentioned he put on the extra weight prior to '21 season so he could be a more dominant 1T. It was working until an Iowa player fell on his leg. He never regained the weight, he certainly lost strength rehabbing the injury, and played '22 probably similar to his '19 or '20 self.

I think if you can add the weight and get strong enough to be harder to block, it works. But the number of athletes capable of doing it is very small.

 

[GregInPitt]

-Was Mustipher on the team the last 5 years?

-Was Mustipher on the team the last 5 years?

Do you know what "'s" means?

Was even Mustipher 320 lbs the last time PSU beat Michigan? NO. He was listed at 305 in the PSU depth chart and PSU managed to beat Michigan 27-17 when PSU didn't have a great team.

 

[voltz99]

Do you know what "'s" means?

Was even Mustipher 320 lbs the last time PSU beat Michigan?

Could have used another mustipher. One 320lb DT does not cut it when the one 320 LB DT is hurt.


Ps. You still telling people Rojas is not going to play this year?

 

[voltz99]

Watch the film. It flies off the tape in 2013 and it did to a certain degree in 2014 as well but the coaching, playing calling etc were so bad it gets overlooked because of Donovan's sheer incompetence. There is no denying it. When he had time to set and throw, we haven't had that kind of precision since Kerry Collins.

He was ranked at the bottom of the B10. Could not even hold the ball vs emu. His fumble 6 vs emu was pathetic. Who coached that play?

His claim to fame was a jump ball to a pro bowl wr vs Michigan. He was not that good.

 

[GregInPitt]

Could have used another mustipher. One 320lb DT does not cut it when the one 320 LB DT is hurt.


Ps. You still telling people Rojas is not going to play this year?

So you admit that PSU can beat Michigan without even one 320 lb DT?

Also beat Michigan in 2019 without a 320 lb DT.

And, you're misquoting me. I said Rojas won't be starting like Carter did in 2022, unless there are a rash of injuries. Didn't say he won't be playing. Because he seems to NOT be playing Mike and he won't beat out either Jacobs or Carter at Sam and Will.

You still saying Rojas will take college football by storm and start for PSU against WVU?

 

[Psugo823]

So you admit that PSU can beat Michigan without even one 320 lb DT?

Also beat Michigan in 2019 without a 320 lb DT.

And, you're misquoting me. I said Rojas won't be starting like Carter did in 2022, unless there are a rash of injuries. Didn't say he won't be playing. Because he seems to NOT be playing Mike and he won't beat out either Jacobs or Carter at Sam and Will.

You still saying Rojas will take college football by storm and start for PSU against WVU?

I am. Rojas will start.