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Was even Mustipher 320 lbs the last time PSU beat Michigan? NO. He was listed at 305 in the PSU depth chart and PSU managed to beat Michigan 27-17 when PSU didn't have a great team.

 
So, your evidence is a spread offense swing pass that requires the legs and feed of a dual threat QB, which he isn't. You are judging his precision based on a throw he can't be expected to make. Got it.
Yes, I'm making a point that seems to be obvious to most everybody -- a college Quarterback to be considered an accurate passer should consistently hit short throws including swing passes.

Which Hackenberg did not do.
 
Yes, I'm making a point that seems to be obvious to most everybody -- a college Quarterback to be considered an accurate passer should consistently hit short throws including swing passes.

Which Hackenberg did not do.
Actually, I think don't have a point to make. You are criticizing a drop back passer for not having the footspeed to get his frame turned around and his shoulders set to make a throw that is not in any pro-style offense but is a staple for glorified option quarterbacks such as Trace McSorley. You are cherry picking when the volume of evidence indicates he was our most precise passer since at least Kerry Collins. Perhaps Wally Richardson.
 
Actually, I think don't have a point to make. You are criticizing a drop back passer for not having the footspeed to get his frame turned around and his shoulders set to make a throw that is not in any pro-style offense but is a staple for glorified option quarterbacks such as Trace McSorley. You are cherry picking when the volume of evidence indicates he was our most precise passer since at least Kerry Collins. Perhaps Wally Richardson.
It doesn't take "foot speed" to turn and make an accurate throw to a RB, or for that matter to throw a slant to a slot receiver.

But the QB can't be a statue..... ;)

Carry on.
 
Absolutely agree. He is far, far from a statue.
Possibly Big Ben like during his early years as a Steeler. Strong enough to shake off tackles quick enough to make first downs when needed. Might not break to many long runs but will move the chains when needed.
 
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Possibly Big Ben like during his early years as a Steeler. Strong enough to shake off tackles quick enough to make first downs when needed. Might not break to many long runs but will move the chains when needed.
Faster than Big Ben, I think.

We'll have to see what the best comp is for Allar. He could be a Blackledge or Kerry Collins, good size, decent athlete, good competitor, very good arm.

In his appearances last season, I liked the way he went through progressions, continued to look downfield, and had a quick release when he found a target.
 
Michigan respected Clifford so much that he broke a 62 yard run because the entire defense didn't believe he'd pull it and keep it. Lol

Poor dude scores on that play in '21 pre-injury.

Allar isn't going to be the rushing threat, but we have Pribula for that section of plays if needed. Allar should be a more lethal passer. I'm not sure if he'll be more accurate, but his good throws will likely turn into great plays.

Hack. Do we really need to dig this dead horse up and beat it for the 73rd time? I won't. Hack was great. Hopefully he sways that incoming WR to us.
 
Allar isn't going to be the rushing threat, but we have Pribula for that section of plays if needed. Allar should be a more lethal passer. I'm not sure if he'll be more accurate, but his good throws will likely turn into great plays.
Yeah, there's the offensive potential for this team IMO. A good running attack with 2 excellent running backs and a talented, veteran offensive line and tight ends.

Enough success on the ground to open up things on the outside for the passing game. Some real catch and run opportunities if the WRs come through. Not to mention some long runs when Singleton and Allen break the line of scrimmage.

Altogether, the potential to score a bunch of points, and allow the defense to play coverage and rush the opposing passer. Can't wait to see it all.
 
Saw Hack at CvC. Looked great. He was pretty good under O’Brien. Say what you will but his commitment also contributed to saving a program. He was never a good fit in the new offense that got installed and played behind a pretty bad OL. Trace did too but had Barkley and escapability. Hack had none of that. I was surprised he didn’t transfer out after a year. But stuck it out.
 
They had to respect Clifford's legs, as did everyone we played. They are now in Green Bay. While Allar is more mobile than Anthony Morelli, he is closer to Hackenberg (who wasn't a statue but wasn't terribly mobile) than Clifford. I certainly don't discount the impact on opposing defenses.

I think people are getting carried away with their praise for the line. The line was not very good before the Michigan game, frequently getting beat up by the likes of Central Michigan, then it fell apart in Ann Arbor. Neither team brought the house and both employed dedicated personnel to spy the QB on many plays. OSU only rushed 3 or 4 most plays. They only looked above average (never good) against Rutgers, Indiana, Maryland and Michigan State, none of whom had much of a pass rush (Sparty was down the majority of its two deep on defense including the best pass rusher in the league).

We only looked above average when we moved to 12 personnel after KLM was benched. The receiving corps certainly looks no better than last year when we fielded the least amount of talent at the position since the dark years and all indications are we are going back to the 3 receive set full time in 2023.
To your point about the OLine, we have a consensus first round left tackle and game experience coming back at every other position. They played real well against Utah in the rose bowl with two starters missing. In addition, there is real competition at right tackle and at the guard positions. Probably the best depth that Franklin has had.

They certainly have to prove it, but I will be disappointed if the OLine is not a strength of the team.
 
To your point about the OLine, we have a consensus first round left tackle and game experience coming back at every other position. They played real well against Utah in the rose bowl with two starters missing. In addition, there is real competition at right tackle and at the guard positions. Probably the best depth that Franklin has had.

They certainly have to prove it, but I will be disappointed if the OLine is not a strength of the team.
All good points, but I am not going to put too much stock into a single game or a single player that got destroyed seven ways to Sunday against Michigan and Ohio State.
 
Yeah, there's the offensive potential for this team IMO. A good running attack with 2 excellent running backs and a talented, veteran offensive line and tight ends.

Enough success on the ground to open up things on the outside for the passing game. Some real catch and run opportunities if the WRs come through. Not to mention some long runs when Singleton and Allen break the line of scrimmage.

Altogether, the potential to score a bunch of points, and allow the defense to play coverage and rush the opposing passer. Can't wait to see it all.
If the line can make more progress than expected and a legit #1 receiver emerges (we haven't had one since Godwin left, though Gesicki filled in quite nicely for one year), the offense could be really good by mid season. Maybe enough to balance out a defense that looks suspect at many positions.
 
All good points, but I am not going to put too much stock into a single game or a single player that got destroyed seven ways to Sunday against Michigan and Ohio State.
IIRC, we were ahead of Ohio S with eleven minutes left in the game. I really don’t consider that being destroyed seven ways to Sunday. But that’s just me, I guess.
 
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If the line can make more progress than expected and a legit #1 receiver emerges (we haven't had one since Godwin left, though Gesicki filled in quite nicely for one year), the offense could be really good by mid season. Maybe enough to balance out a defense that looks suspect at many positions.
We were a top 10 scoring defense and 5th in yards per play last year and really didn't lose that much.

-One 2nd round corner where we are very deep,
-one 3rd round safety where we are very deep,
-one (on paper) starting DE but really had less reps than one of the backups who is projected as a breakout player,
-one starting DT who never got back to full strength after his injury year

We will likely be about as good in the secondary and better at LB and DL this year.
 
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IIRC, we were ahead of Ohio S with eleven minutes left in the game. I really don’t consider that being destroyed even ways to Sunday. But that’s just me, I guess.
Go watch the film. Olu got destroyed against Ohio State. Worse against Michigan. I am not saying he can't be a great player but he graded below average against top pass rushers.
 
We were a top 10 scoring defense and 5th in yards per play last year and really didn't lose that much.

-One 2nd round corner where we are very deep,
-one 3rd round safety where we are very deep,
-one (on paper) starting DE but really had less reps than one of the backups who is projected as a breakout player,
-one starting DT who never got back to full strength after his injury year

We will likely be about as good in the secondary and better at LB and DL this year.
Fantasy statistics don't mean that much. We played the weakest schedule we have played since joining the Big Ten in 2022. How did we do against Michigan and Ohio State, the only teams we played worth a darn? We were dominated. Ohio State played the most conservative scheme we played since the second half of 2021 Iowa, and before that, 2019 Ohio State. That is the only reason the game was close. They opted not to take chances. Once they played their full offense, they blew us out in a quarter. The stats you cite are a product of a pathetic schedule. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
We were a top 10 scoring defense and 5th in yards per play last year and really didn't lose that much.

-One 2nd round corner where we are very deep,
-one 3rd round safety where we are very deep,
-one (on paper) starting DE but really had less reps than one of the backups who is projected as a breakout player,
-one starting DT who never got back to full strength after his injury year

We will likely be about as good in the secondary and better at LB and DL this year.

We also led the B1G in Sacks (top 5 Nationally)..., but don't waste your time on troll-boy Wally, he has no use for FACTS. (BTW, he predicted we would go 7-5 last year before the season started - he said the absolute best we could do, which had almost no probability of happening, was 9-3....).
 
We also led the B1G in Sacks (top 5 Nationally)..., but don't waste your time on troll-boy Wally, he has no use for FACTS. (BTW, he predicted we would go 7-5 last year before the season started - he said the absolute best we could do, which had almost no probability of happening, was 9-3....).
You are the one that doesn't like facts troll. What I said was 9 and 3 was a realistic best case scenario but they could go 10 and 2 if the improbable happened. I also said 7 and 5 was a realist worst case scenario and we could fall to 6 and 6 if the improbably happened. Well, the improbably did happen and multiple teams on the schedule fell apart due to injury and suspensions. I split the difference of the realistic best and worst case and picked us to go 8 and 4 once the dust settled heading into the season.

Right now, I see a realistic best case scenario of 10 and 2 and a realist worse case of 8 and 4 due to the schedule. If the improbably happens, we could go 11 and 1 or 7 and 5. Right now, I think we lose to the usual culprits and Iowa and we'll lose very badly to Michigan, again and we'll lose to Ohio State in the familiar fashion. We play them tight through three while Ohio State plays the most conservative game plan they use all year before they open it up in the fourth and we are done before you know it. Iowa probably looks like our game at Pitt in 2016 when Trace turned it over time and time again like rookie QBs tend to do when facing a good defense for the first time.
 
Sadly, those are the most realistic options for moving forward as a program, and both take years to accomplish. More likely, we'll end up winning 7 or 8 games a year for the next seven or eight seasons while the administration waits for the buyout to drop low enough to make firing him worthwhile.
 
That is pretty rosy. Not approaching Kool-Aid drinking but pretty rosy. Right now, I have us at 7 and 5 with a ceiling of 9 and 3 if everything broke our way and that happens rarely. In year 9, I am unhappy with anything less than 10 and 2 but we look years away from that.
Someone's own words are showing them to be very dishonest.
 
Per your comment on the system. Schemes can be and should be tweaked each week. However, Franklin has a demonstrated preference for system guys. Guys that share his philosophy. Joe Moorhead was the lone exception. System guys, while they can make some adjustments, tend not to make major adjustments, largely because they are limited by the talent they use. System guys tend to to use system talent. Diaz has been plagued by the same fundamental flaw at every stop to date over his career as a defensive coordinator. That is a ten plus year trend. Until he proves he can make changes, I assume he can't or won't.

Your take on the offense is spot on. However, I don't see that changing this year either, or really ever for the same reasons I have doubts of Diaz. Yurcich's offense frequently caved against bad Big XII defenses during his time there despite more talent than we currently have. There is a reason he left Okie State for a lower position at Ohio State, and people weren't upset he left. He too is a system guy. He did add some tricks while at OSU and UT, but they were mere QB gimmicks that don't translate to Allar very well.
Allar will be the man.

This may be the first time in the history of mankind in which the words “offensive”, “philosophy”, and “continuity” have been used in the same string when describing football. You’re welcome.

Moving on.

In the most basic sense, what I mean here is simply the fact Penn State Football will have the same offensive coordinator for the second year in a row. If you can remember all the way back to 2019 when Sean Clifford became the starting QB, this is the first time he didn’t have to learn an entirely new offense in the offseason.

I’m guessing if I polled the majority of Penn State Football fans, they would agree with the assessment that the offense hasn’t looked much different over the past three seasons. They see all of the shotgun formations which include a combination of three and four receiver sets with a flexed tight end. They see the same route combinations and the same molasses-slow read options.


At least that’s what they think.

Let me assure you, even if there have been some similarities between the Rahne/Ciarrocca/Yurcich offenses, I guarantee you behind the scenes they are significantly different. Each offense has different terminology, route progressions, option routes, blocking schemes, hot routes, and different overall philosophies – the list goes on.

Even for the best quarterbacks on the planet, it generally takes them a season to fully absorb the offensive structure to finally open up the playbook, and I would apply the same standard to the offensive line as well.

As for the running backs, receivers, and tight ends? I’m guessing the learning curve is still steep when a new offensive coordinator steps in, however I don’t think it’s quite as high as it is for the QB and O-line.

Luckily for the Nittany Lions, nothing in the playbook will change from last year, which means the offensive unit should see some major improvements.



“It’s the second-year-in-the-system confidence. I feel like, you know, I’ve seen every look in this offense specifically. I know the terminology like it was the back of my hand. I know what plays we want to be in in certain looks. And when we get a look that I don’t like, I know the checks that get us out of those looks. Coach Franklin, Coach Yurcich have both given me a lot of freedom, a lot of responsibility.”
 
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Someone's own words are showing them to be very dishonest.

Peggy is the smartest guy in the room, always. If his predictions are off, it's because something else happened and not that his predictions were wrong. He can make bold claims, such as that Utah is similar to Michigan and he expects a similar result, but can then say he was only regurgitating what the media was saying and that he didn't even watch them play last year.

We are also emotional fans that can't handle discussion because we point out his BS. Trolls even.

Lmao

All sarcasm, in case someone here didn't know. Peggy is what he is. A broken clock. Right twice, only because he never moves. Wrong the rest.
 
If the line can make more progress than expected and a legit #1 receiver emerges (we haven't had one since Godwin left, though Gesicki filled in quite nicely for one year), the offense could be really good by mid season. Maybe enough to balance out a defense that looks suspect at many positions.
Jahan Dotson says hello.

From wiki:

Dotson became Penn State's leading receiver as a junior in 2020.[11][12] Against the Ohio State Buckeyes, Dotson recorded eight catches for 144 yards and three touchdowns.[13] Against Michigan State, Dotson became the third Big Ten player since 2000 to have a punt return touchdown and 100 receiving yards in the same game.[14] Dotson finished the 2020 season with 884 receiving yards and eight touchdowns, and was named third-team All-Big Ten.[15][16]

In 2021, Dotson recorded 11 receptions for 242 yards and 3 touchdowns in Penn State's win over Maryland, breaking Deon Butler's school record for receiving yards in a game.[17][18] In December 2021, announced his intention to enter the 2022 NFL Draft following the season.[19] He graduated from Penn State with a degree in telecommunications in May 2022.[20][21] Dotson finished his Penn State career second in school history in both career (183) and single-season (91 in 2021) receptions, fourth in career receiving yards (2,757), second in single-season receiving yards (1,182 in 2021), and second in both career (25) and single-season (12 in 2021) touchdowns.[22]
 
Jahan Dotson says hello.

A #1 WR in all facets. It's not his fault that he was here:

1. During covid
2. During a year Clifford got hurt
3. Lacked a true great RB (Brown medically retired, Cain injured, never regained his for.)
4. OL collapsed

But, Peggy saying Godwin is the last one is a nod to BOB, since he recruited him. All anti-JF.
 
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We were a top 10 scoring defense and 5th in yards per play last year and really didn't lose that much.

-One 2nd round corner where we are very deep,
-one 3rd round safety where we are very deep,
-one (on paper) starting DE but really had less reps than one of the backups who is projected as a breakout player,
-one starting DT who never got back to full strength after his injury year

We will likely be about as good in the secondary and better at LB and DL this year.
Agree with all your points, however, until we beat both Michigan and Ohio State, it’s hard to argue
You are the one that doesn't like facts troll. What I said was 9 and 3 was a realistic best case scenario but they could go 10 and 2 if the improbable happened. I also said 7 and 5 was a realist worst case scenario and we could fall to 6 and 6 if the improbably happened. Well, the improbably did happen and multiple teams on the schedule fell apart due to injury and suspensions. I split the difference of the realistic best and worst case and picked us to go 8 and 4 once the dust settled heading into the season.

Right now, I see a realistic best case scenario of 10 and 2 and a realist worse case of 8 and 4 due to the schedule. If the improbably happens, we could go 11 and 1 or 7 and 5. Right now, I think we lose to the usual culprits and Iowa and we'll lose very badly to Michigan, again and we'll lose to Ohio State in the familiar fashion. We play them tight through three while Ohio State plays the most conservative game plan they use all year before they open it up in the fourth and we are done before you know it. Iowa probably looks like our game at Pitt in 2016 when Trace turned it over time and time again like rookie QBs tend to do when facing a good defense for the first time.
Iowa won’t be Drew’s first game away in a hostile environment, so I am hoping for a cleaner game than what Trace had in that Pitt game.

I will predict we get over the hump on one of the two OSU/Michigan, but I could see a loss against some team we should beat like Illinois or Maryland.
 
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Agree with all your points, however, until we beat both Michigan and Ohio State, it’s hard to argue

Iowa won’t be Drew’s first game away in a hostile environment, so I am hoping for a cleaner game than what Trace had in that Pitt game.

I will predict we get over the hump on one of the two OSU/Michigan, but I could see a loss against some team we should beat like Illinois or Maryland.
Yeah, we saw the recipe for an upset against Northwestern last season. Bad weather, turnover problems, opponent gets fired up, PSU not playing great, etc.

Fortunately, Northwestern didn't have enough offense to do the job, but the same scenario could happen against a middle of the pack conference opponent and result in a loss.
 
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Yeah, we saw the recipe for an upset against Northwestern last season. Bad weather, turnover problems, opponent gets fired up, PSU not playing great, etc.

Fortunately, Northwestern didn't have enough offense to do the job, but the same scenario could happen against a middle of the pack conference opponent and result in a loss.
It could for anyone though. Ohio St had a habit of not only losing to some middling team but often getting blown out by them like Purdue a couple of years ago. That's why the SEC and their fewer Power 5 schedule is so much easier. You play 10 or more P5 teams and there are much fewer games that you can have a major let down and not lose and you might be spent from a tough stretch of games.
 
Agree with all your points, however, until we beat both Michigan and Ohio State, it’s hard to argue

Iowa won’t be Drew’s first game away in a hostile environment, so I am hoping for a cleaner game than what Trace had in that Pitt game.

I will predict we get over the hump on one of the two OSU/Michigan, but I could see a loss against some team we should beat like Illinois or Maryland.
Iowa is a home game. The first away game is @ Illinois.
 
A #1 WR in all facets. It's not his fault that he was here:

1. During covid
2. During a year Clifford got hurt
3. Lacked a true great RB (Brown medically retired, Cain injured, never regained his for.)
4. OL collapsed

But, Peggy saying Godwin is the last one is a nod to BOB, since he recruited him. All anti-JF.
Sorry, you are wrong. Dotson isn't a legit #1. He is a very talented slot receiver or secondary option. He catches everything within his catch radius and has a talent for getting open against zone but was proven to be a below average receiver when playing in the all important X position where he regularly faced man to man coverage. Villanova erased him from the game plan when lined up in the X. That was before Clifford was hurt. Go watch the film, it is painfully obvious. That doesn't mean is wasn't a good player, he just isn't a #1 receiver.
 
You are the one that doesn't like facts troll. What I said was 9 and 3 was a realistic best case scenario but they could go 10 and 2 if the improbable happened. I also said 7 and 5 was a realist worst case scenario and we could fall to 6 and 6 if the improbably happened. Well, the improbably did happen and multiple teams on the schedule fell apart due to injury and suspensions. I split the difference of the realistic best and worst case and picked us to go 8 and 4 once the dust settled heading into the season.

Right now, I see a realistic best case scenario of 10 and 2 and a realist worse case of 8 and 4 due to the schedule. If the improbably happens, we could go 11 and 1 or 7 and 5. Right now, I think we lose to the usual culprits and Iowa and we'll lose very badly to Michigan, again and we'll lose to Ohio State in the familiar fashion. We play them tight through three while Ohio State plays the most conservative game plan they use all year before they open it up in the fourth and we are done before you know it. Iowa probably looks like our game at Pitt in 2016 when Trace turned it over time and time again like rookie QBs tend to do when facing a good defense for the first time.

You're so full of shit troll-boy -- what you actually posted last year before the season has been reposted many times on here and it's nothing like what you're claiming here fabricator. You said PSU was looking at 6 and 7 loss seasons for years to come as long as JF is the coach.... and many other doozies that you're now trying to disassociate yourself from poser-troll. You've also recently claimed that duhO$U "crushed us" which is more of your typical bs given that we were leading the duhO$U game last year with less than 10 minutes to go. Your list of poser-troll posts is endless and everyone knows you for exactly what you are.... a POS poser-troll hypocrite.
 
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A #1 WR in all facets. It's not his fault that he was here:

1. During covid
2. During a year Clifford got hurt
3. Lacked a true great RB (Brown medically retired, Cain injured, never regained his for.)
4. OL collapsed

But, Peggy saying Godwin is the last one is a nod to BOB, since he recruited him. All anti-JF.

Very anti JF and pro-Hackenburg -- would almost swear he's closely related to Hack with his absurd takes on CH and how CJF ruined him.
 
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Iowa is a home game. The first away game is @ Illinois.
I know, Wallace was reminding us of how Trace had a bad first game against Pitt. My point was that Drew will not be in a hostile environment and will not be playing his first game ever. In addition, he will have some away games under his belt. I guess I did not phrase it well.
 
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I know, Wallace was reminding us of how Trace had a bad first game against Pitt. My point was that Drew will not be in a hostile environment and will not be playing his first game ever. In addition, he will have some away games under his belt. I guess I did not phrase it well.
Drew Allar is not a rookie. He played in 10 games last year.

Not a rookie.
 
Drew Allar is not a rookie. He played in 10 games last year.

Not a rookie.
True, and another reason not to expect a Trace, Pitt like game.

Although, all the super high expectations for Drew are a bit concerning, but that’s why big time QB hopefuls go big time.
 
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Hack was overrated. He was a 7 win QB with Obrien. He was ranked near the bottom of the B10 with Obrien.

 
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