so we are all supposed to believe that in the 4-1/2 years JT Barrett has been at OSU that he finally learned to throw the ball downfield during what was coincidentally the worst 5 game stretch of opponents in recent memory?
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Watching some of their games, it's really hard to glean anything at all. It's so overwhelmingly apparent that they're across the board more talented than the teams they've played. A lot of times it looks like their opponents quit in the first quarter.
That said, what I noticed was that he's being a lot more aggressive throwing the football than he has been in the past. He's always shied away from tight windows and would rely on his feet. He's made those tight throws this year, but I don't know if he can do it against a real team. Further, he hasn't faced pressure AT ALL this year.
That said, what I noticed was that he's being a lot more aggressive throwing the football than he has been in the past. He's always shied away from tight windows and would rely on his feet. He's made those tight throws this year, but I don't know if he can do it against a real team. Further, he hasn't faced pressure AT ALL this year.
"so we are all supposed to believe that in the 4-1/2 years JT Barrett has been at OSU that he finally learned to throw the ball downfield"
I am a JT skeptic and believe that both of his two backups are much better passers than him. For instance, Joe Burrow last year, during mop up work, connected on 75% of his passes. It was almost like magic what a difference it was when you hit receivers in stride. Burrow hurt his hand this year, and Haskins has also been very good. He, like Burrows, can pull the trigger quickly. JT is generally much slower.
That being said, in the Nebraska game, JT anticipated the break of one receiver (for a touchdown I believe) and hit another in a tight window. Was not doing these things at all last year. Have to admit he has substantially improved -- doesn't hurt that the offensive line is much better.
If you want to look for the reason for improvement, I would say to check out what the new offensive coordinator, Kevin Wilson has done in the past. Also, compare how good JT was under Tom Herman, in 2014, with his poor performance in 2015 & 16 under Ed. Warinner.
So far, I give a big advantage to McSorely, but I am open to the possibility that OSU is getting hot, just like it did in 2014 after the loss to Virginia Tech. Maybe JT's passing is substantially improved. Putting that aside, he is a good game manager and very good runner.
I am a JT skeptic and believe that both of his two backups are much better passers than him. For instance, Joe Burrow last year, during mop up work, connected on 75% of his passes. It was almost like magic what a difference it was when you hit receivers in stride. Burrow hurt his hand this year, and Haskins has also been very good. He, like Burrows, can pull the trigger quickly. JT is generally much slower.
That being said, in the Nebraska game, JT anticipated the break of one receiver (for a touchdown I believe) and hit another in a tight window. Was not doing these things at all last year. Have to admit he has substantially improved -- doesn't hurt that the offensive line is much better.
If you want to look for the reason for improvement, I would say to check out what the new offensive coordinator, Kevin Wilson has done in the past. Also, compare how good JT was under Tom Herman, in 2014, with his poor performance in 2015 & 16 under Ed. Warinner.
So far, I give a big advantage to McSorely, but I am open to the possibility that OSU is getting hot, just like it did in 2014 after the loss to Virginia Tech. Maybe JT's passing is substantially improved. Putting that aside, he is a good game manager and very good runner.
Haskins is a strong arm kid who really improved his skill set the summer of his Junior year. His ceiling is much higher than J.T.'s specifically with his passing skills. I thought OSU would have moved Barrett to receiver or spilt end to make better use of his athleticism.
"His [Haskins] ceiling is much higher than J.T.'s specifically with his passing skills."
I agree. However, Burrow could be better than Haskins. Very difficult situation for one of those two next year.
"I thought OSU would have moved Barrett to receiver or spilt end to make better use of his athleticism."
Barrett is a nifty, strong runner. However, he is nowhere near as fast or quick as the current receivers. Additionally, there is no way he would accept a move to receiver.
I agree. However, Burrow could be better than Haskins. Very difficult situation for one of those two next year.
"I thought OSU would have moved Barrett to receiver or spilt end to make better use of his athleticism."
Barrett is a nifty, strong runner. However, he is nowhere near as fast or quick as the current receivers. Additionally, there is no way he would accept a move to receiver.
JT will throw at least two picks this next game. Bank on it.
The main point of the post is the level of competition is so bad it’s hard to imagine Barrett has exorcised his demons.
And OSU Neb was unwatchable. Of course he anticipated the break and threw into a tight window. Neb generated zero pressure. They are an appalling team this year. It’s oretty clear why Rutgers was able to hang with them.
When I read the thread title, I thought the poor kid had died.
The receivers were so wide open because of Kevin Wilson. The OSU players are settling into his playbook and playcalling...it will be interesting to see if they can still do it against Pry and our defensive players.
I attribute his growth to the fact that he's a 17th year senior. It seems like he's been there forever!
I don't think any in the program in under any sort of illusion that everything is sunshine and lollipops with the passing game. Urban says every week that they're happy with the progress, but they know that the competition hasn't exactly been top notch. Same thing with the pass defense.
That being said, I do think JT is making throws he wasn't making before. He's thrown some 50/50 balls, he's thrown downfield, he's thrown with anticipation we haven't seen since 2014. He's also getting better protection than he has been in a while and THAT is going to be the key. Prince was a turnstile last year. If he can at least be serviceable, JT has a great shot at throwing the ball well.
That being said, I do think JT is making throws he wasn't making before. He's thrown some 50/50 balls, he's thrown downfield, he's thrown with anticipation we haven't seen since 2014. He's also getting better protection than he has been in a while and THAT is going to be the key. Prince was a turnstile last year. If he can at least be serviceable, JT has a great shot at throwing the ball well.
Doesn't have nearly the athleticism for this. He's a solid runner, he's not Pryor or Braxton.
His supporting cast is playing well - pass pro, WR routes/spacing and backs - the scheme put in place by Wilson and Day is more consistent with his strengths - decision-making, mid-level throws and they have more experience running the system at this point in the season and he is playing at a very high level.
21:1 TD/Int ratio is outstanding no matter the level of competition. It's quite likely the kid will become the all-time B1G leader in TD passes this weekend breaking Drew Brees' record - not bad company - that's pretty hard to if you can't throw it. Has he had bad games? Sure, who hasn't? Is he a lousy passing QB? Not even close.....if his O-line and backs can keep him relatively clean this weekend, I expect him to play well. Kid's a warrior....I'll keep him
Barrett had very good weapons earlier in his career that were playmakers and able to get open. The performance of his WRs has, for whatever reason because not like these are 2 and 3 star players, been less than stellar ever since. They seem to be coming around though.
I like Barrett. Seems like a good kid but think he was largely a victim of an offense that has had no identity and became hamstrung because of the poor WR play. Another thing is, ever since he broke his ankle, I don't think he's been utilized as much in the running game, so he's spending more time in the pocket where he looks a little shaky.
My biggest concern this weekend is they turn him loose running the ball. He and Dobbins are extremely dangerous on the ground and I still have some apprehension about our D when it comes to defending the run against talent like that.
I like Barrett. Seems like a good kid but think he was largely a victim of an offense that has had no identity and became hamstrung because of the poor WR play. Another thing is, ever since he broke his ankle, I don't think he's been utilized as much in the running game, so he's spending more time in the pocket where he looks a little shaky.
My biggest concern this weekend is they turn him loose running the ball. He and Dobbins are extremely dangerous on the ground and I still have some apprehension about our D when it comes to defending the run against talent like that.
I think you nailed it....after his frosh year, he lost his 4 favorite targets to the NFL. We have not effectively replaced them as a group yet and the right side of the Oline was not ready to perform at an elite level and that clearly limited the effectiveness of the passing game in big games. This is the same group - another year more experienced, a new system with very good coordinators and much better play from the right side.
They haven't faced a defense at the level of PSU, but I like what I've seen from them and by all accounts in the 1-v-1 scrimmages in the off week, they performed at a very high level against a pretty good defense. I'm optimistic....they'll have to be on their game to keep up with the PSU offense. We were very successful in limiting your offense last year, uncertain we can count on doing it two years in a row with an almost entirely new secondary.
Yep...like PSU they have weapons all over and a RB who is a threat to take it to the house on any snap. Tough matchup and while I expect a tight game....you never know what will happen in big games. Turnovers...penalties...games can turn quickly.
Based on video clips from the last four games, he's had all day to throw...just sits back there waiting for somebody to be open. Be interesting to see how he...the entire team for that matter...react to being smacked in the mouth for the first time in six weeks.
I'm just not convinced the way the OSU guys are that this is a different JT Barrett than the one we saw vs Clemson and Oklahoma or even us last year. Throws are a lot easier when you aren't pressured, receivers are wide open and you aren't playing for what is essentially is a trip to the conference championship and CFP. for 3 years he hasn't made those throws in big moments so it's going to take a lot more than beating those 5 terrible teams to convince me he can do it now.
Just like Michigan, it's hard to take much away from last year's game to try to predict how the teams will perform this year. I just feel we create more mismatch problems for Ohio St with Barkley, Gesicki and Hamilton than OSU does with their skill guys.
A hallmark of an Urban Meyer offense seems to have always been having a QB who is more of an athlete and not so much a great passer. Let's be honest, when was the last time Urban Meyer had a QB who was a really good passer?
Alex Smith? No.
Chris Leak? No.
Tim Tebow? Nope.
Braxton Miller? No.
Cardale Jones? Big time arm, probably the best passer he has had.
J.T. Barrett? Absolutely not.
Still, Meyer has won 3 national championships. However, he has never had a QB that was really great at throwing the ball. However, I think over the course of the last decade teams have figured out how to play Urban's offense since he never seems to have a QB who can beat you with his arm. Cardale Jones was the only guy who could maybe do it and they had Zeke Elliot on that team so they didn't have to rely on Cardale.
I think if OSU has to rely on J.T. Barrett on Saturday to beat PSU they won't. They will win of they can run the ball, but if not I have my doubts whether Barrett can beat us with this arm.
Maybe I'm wrong, and if I am I'll surely eat the crow for it, but if I'm PSU I would make Barrett beat us by throwing the ball.
Alex Smith? No.
Chris Leak? No.
Tim Tebow? Nope.
Braxton Miller? No.
Cardale Jones? Big time arm, probably the best passer he has had.
J.T. Barrett? Absolutely not.
Still, Meyer has won 3 national championships. However, he has never had a QB that was really great at throwing the ball. However, I think over the course of the last decade teams have figured out how to play Urban's offense since he never seems to have a QB who can beat you with his arm. Cardale Jones was the only guy who could maybe do it and they had Zeke Elliot on that team so they didn't have to rely on Cardale.
I think if OSU has to rely on J.T. Barrett on Saturday to beat PSU they won't. They will win of they can run the ball, but if not I have my doubts whether Barrett can beat us with this arm.
Maybe I'm wrong, and if I am I'll surely eat the crow for it, but if I'm PSU I would make Barrett beat us by throwing the ball.
I worry that OSU is growing into a new offense much like PSU last year and now OSU has hit its stride. UM receivers have helped make O'Korn look bad. Add an unimaginitive offense to UM, and you get what you get last Saturday. O'Korn threw several catchable balls that were dropped.
I don't think OSU will ruin those opportunities like UM did.
I think Barrett has improved his passing game. Against OK, he looked tentative in both pass and runs. I still think that for OSU to win, either of two primary things will have to happen: Barrett has a monster rushing game; and/or OSU has 250+ rushing yards.
I don't think OSU will ruin those opportunities like UM did.
I think Barrett has improved his passing game. Against OK, he looked tentative in both pass and runs. I still think that for OSU to win, either of two primary things will have to happen: Barrett has a monster rushing game; and/or OSU has 250+ rushing yards.
He's had some tough games for sure, but who hasn't? If you're going to judge his career on the basis of his worst outings, who passes that test? In last years game Trace was 8-24 for nothing yardage and only what 2-13 on third down...is your conclusion based upon a bad outing that he can't play? Not at all....your kid had a very poor outing but is still a gamer and nobody doubts his ability to play at a high level. JT is no different in that respect.
JT has led his team to wins at some of the most difficult venues in the country against outstanding football teams....Ann Arbor, Madison, State College, E.Lansing and Norman to name a few and has won in each of them. His combined record against M, Wisky, PSU, Sparty and Okla is 11-3. Saturday he will likely break Drew Brees' record for the most career TD passes in B1G history. That's pretty hard to do if you can't throw it....he's had some high profile struggles, but I wouldn't trade him for any QB in the country.
It will be interesting to see how much time OSU's O-Line gives Barrett vs what PSU's O-Line gives McSorley. With the weather not looking to be optimal I can see both D's selling out to stop Dobbins and Barkley and challenging the opposition to try and beat them through the air.
Spot on. No matter what happens - this game will be talked about for years after. Hopefully in a "2005 Ohio State game" type of way and not "2014 Ohio State game".
I'm not worried about his passing....I'm worried about him breaking contain and running!
I’m reference to JT I’d take a JoePa approach and say he’s not as good as he’s looked vs the past five games or so and he’s not as bad as he’s looked when he’s been bad, he’s somewhere inbetween. But the fact of the matter is that he’s a good leader and if PSU takes him for granted, which I don’t think they will, he will beat them.
Personally, like others have said, I don’t think he beats us with his arm...our secondary is too good. He beats us if PSU can’t stop the run.
Personally, like others have said, I don’t think he beats us with his arm...our secondary is too good. He beats us if PSU can’t stop the run.
I just go by reality. You can choose to ignore whatever you want, but that doesn't mean the above clips didn't happen. That record book of yours has a huge * next to 2014.
I was guessing at least three in another in another thread due to uniform similarities. We made the guy look bad last year I hope we can do it again.
