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mcpat said:
4) They tell you to leave, then ask you to stay only so they can tell you to leave again (I fell for this once, but not the second time).
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mcpat said:
It's the part where I'm being called out for things they read but that I didn't actual write or even insinuate that was driving me nuts. This is why I read but didn't post for years. I guess that's the internet though.

edit: this is what I learned while offering myself to be bludgeoned:

1) Iowa has no control over their schedule, even non-conference (no wonder they refuse to shake hands; they didn't want to wrestle their opponents to begin with).
2) Things they engage with you on for two days are not interesting to them.
3) Every factual observation is in some way a dig at Iowa.
4) They tell you to leave, then ask you to stay only so they can tell you to leave again (I fell for this once, but not the second time).
5) They throw out the B word quickly.
6) Their reading comprehension is very poor. (I thought Iowa was a "public ivy"?)
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Rules of the road for tHR...

#1 they hate you
#2 gable is God and TnT are the 2nd coming
#3 tHR is supposed to be their safe space.
#4 see rule #1
#5 if you or your team did something they feel stupid, goes against their belief system or makes their hawks look less than superior.....even if your right you are wrong
#6 everyone but the hawks cheats because see rule #2
#7 see rule #1
#8 having thin skin is other teams problem
#9 the inner circle is absolutely not a corn field version of bohemian grove
#10 see rule #1

Keep these all in mind when visiting and you won't lose your mind when entering the arena.
 
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mcpat said:
It's the part where I'm being called out for things they read but that I didn't actual write or even insinuate that was driving me nuts. This is why I read but didn't post for years. I guess that's the internet though.

edit: this is what I learned while offering myself to be bludgeoned:

1) Iowa has no control over their schedule, even non-conference (no wonder they refuse to shake hands; they didn't want to wrestle their opponents to begin with).
2) Things they engage with you on for two days are not interesting to them.
3) Every factual observation is in some way a dig at Iowa.
4) They tell you to leave, then ask you to stay only so they can tell you to leave again (I fell for this once, but not the second time).
5) They throw out the B word quickly.
6) Their reading comprehension is very poor. (I thought Iowa was a "public ivy"?)
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This is where I smack you and tell you to get ahold of yourself!

Look, I have high hopes for you. I’m looking to totally get out of the game over there and need someone to take the reigns.

Don’t let me down. Now get your ass over there and make me proud..
 
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dunkej01 said:
Rules of the road for tHR...

#1 they hate you
#2 gable is God and TnT are the 2nd coming
#3 tHR is supposed to be their safe space.
#4 see rule #1
#5 if you or your team did something they feel stupid, goes against their belief system or makes their hawks look less than superior.....even if your right you are wrong
#6 everyone but the hawks cheats because see rule #2
#7 see rule #1
#8 having thin skin is other teams problem
#9 the inner circle is absolutely not a corn field version of bohemian grove
#10 see rule #1

Keep these all in mind when visiting and you won't lose your mind when entering the arena.
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Usually it will be one or the other. Unless rule #5 is broken. Then you have to GTFO and GFY
 
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dunkej01 said:
Rules of the road for tHR...

#1 they hate you
#2 gable is God and TnT are the 2nd coming
#3 tHR is supposed to be their safe space.
#4 see rule #1
#5 if you or your team did something they feel stupid, goes against their belief system or makes their hawks look less than superior.....even if your right you are wrong
#6 everyone but the hawks cheats because see rule #2
#7 see rule #1
#8 having thin skin is other teams problem
#9 the inner circle is absolutely not a corn field version of bohemian grove
#10 see rule #1

Keep these all in mind when visiting and you won't lose your mind when entering the arena.
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dunkej01 said:
Rules of the road for tHR...

#1 they hate you
#2 gable is God and TnT are the 2nd coming
#3 tHR is supposed to be their safe space.
#4 see rule #1
#5 if you or your team did something they feel stupid, goes against their belief system or makes their hawks look less than superior.....even if your right you are wrong
#6 everyone but the hawks cheats because see rule #2
#7 see rule #1
#8 having thin skin is other teams problem
#9 the inner circle is absolutely not a corn field version of bohemian grove
#10 see rule #1

Keep these all in mind when visiting and you won't lose your mind when entering the arena.
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TL;DR version:

Hawkeye Resistance is like wrestling a pig. You get covered in crap, and they like it.
 
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I have to interject my only experience at CHA. BIGs back in 2016. All of the Iowa fans I met were very respectful. In fact, after the semis when we had dominated and were obviously going to win there was a table of 5 Iowa fans that were at our hotel and spent the entire night drowning their sorrows, I sat and talked with them for 3+ hours on Sunday AM when they had been drinking all night and they wished the Iowa wrestlers wrestled like the PSU guys did.
 
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Junglekitty said:
First off I absolutely love the confidence everyone is showing. I will always give credit where credit is due, Iowa is tough up and down the lineup. Going into Carver is no joke. Its a tough atmosphere to wrestle in the first time, and every time afterwards. There is definitely something to the "Carver Magic." I've seen quite a number of top guys take losses there. To put it in perspective, I don't think Mark Hall ever won there.

125 - Ayala has looked tough. Just took a loss to Heinselman, but I think that was the first wrestler who has been in on his legs so often which obviously kept him from getting to his offense. He has a great slide by which Drew will have to be aware of. I don't like this matchup for Drew considering Ayala's high number of attacks. While I'm not saying Drew can't defend those attacks, the stall calls could become a factor on their feet. With that being said, this is where it gets interesting. I don't think Ayala has faced someone that's as good on top as Drew. So which one prevails, Drew's mat wrestling, or Ayala's attacks? Its hard to pick against experience. 3-0 PSU

133 - DeSanto comes off of his vacation looking calm, cool, and collected. RBY doesn't go today, but there is no way he misses this match unless he's injured, or not allowed to go. RBY seems to have figured out what nobody else has and that is how to defend DeSanto's dump. Iowa fans will be calling for stalling from the get go when RBY puts his arm behind his back, we all know its coming. From where I sit, if someone wants to wrestle with one arm behind their back, that's not stalling. I think it takes some guts to wrestle someone with one arm behind your back. RBY has had his number since he started doing that, and until DeSanto proves otherwise, I don't think he has figured out what to do when he can't get to that tie. I think it'll be close as usual, but RBY gets the win. 6-0 PSU

141 - Eierman has had some extremely close matches this year. He hasn't looked quite as good as he did last year. That doesn't mean he's still not a very good wrestler. His top game is one of the best in the business and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Nick doesn't go under when its his choice. Another super close match that can go either way, but Nick defends his title. 9-0 PSU

149 - Murin is no doubt a grinder and wrestled Sasso tough. The key to victory here will be for BB to stop his shot and hit his counter like he did today. I know BB has wrestled all over the world in big matches. However, I'm not sure if he's experienced an atmosphere like this. Do I think he can beat Murin, yes. Do I think he will this time around, unfortunately not. Like I said, Murin is a tough wrestler, on his home mat, and that mat is in Carver. 9-3 PSU

157 - Young goes through spurts every year. He has matches where he looks good, and matches where he looks pretty rough. I think Negron gets the nod. Against someone who is streaky, we'll need someone who can score from their feet. Negron has been the only guy at this weight so far that has shown that. If Young has one of his bad matches, it could get interesting. However, Young has been around for a while and this will be the first time for our guy in Carver. Young hasn't put up a ton of points this year so I don't think we're in danger of giving up bonus here. 9-6 PSU

165 - I might be in the minority here, but I like the bull. He's a tough competitor and seems to be a stand up guy off the mat. His March woes are well documented, but his success outside of the tournament should be as well. I loved watching him and Joseph go at it since there always seemed to be a big exchange at some point in the match. His game plan is always the same, push his opponent all over the mat, and when he gets pressure back, post the arm and hit his shots. When he gets in, he usually finishes. Berge on the other hand has always been super hard to score on. Berge has done well with the ankle pics, but I think the bull is too strong for those. 9-9

174 - Before March, it would have been hard to pick CStar over Kem. I have seen Kem wrestle since his elementary days ( lets get this out of the way, yes that was a long time ago ). I've talked personally to Kem and he has always been super nice and humble. However, to beat a guy like CStar, you have to be 100%, and I'm not sure Kem's shoulder is there. Obviously it'll be a close match as Kem is still a top guy, but I think CStar has continued to improve. 12-9 PSU

184 - Assad has only wrestled 2 guys in the top ten this year and lost both. He wrestled Romero tough losing in SV, but Romero isn't Brooks. I would love to see Brooks push for a major, and he just might, but I'm not sure he gets it. I think it will be a comfortable win by 4-5. 15-9 PSU

197 - This will be Warner's first chance at a top ranked guy this year. I would like to say he looked less than impressive against Hoffman, but honestly that is just his style. He usually gets his takedown, then uses two thigh prys to ride and if his opponent gets to their feet, they're usually on the edge and out they go. Rinse and repeat. My problem here is Dean hasn't look quite right the last 3 matches. I think mat wrestling will decide this one and that plays right into where Dean wants to be. 18-9 PSU

285 - Cass hasn't quite looked as dominant this year as he did. He is still no doubt one of the best heavyweights in the nation. Kerk is coming off his best win against Parris, and looked in complete control the whole time. Is his game plan the same against Cass? Not sure. What I do know, is when these two met previously, Kerk had a hard time getting out from bottom. Kerk also wasn't healthy but that is no longer the case. I think he keeps his winning ways going. 21-9 PSU

This match is extremely hard to predict. There are about 100 different ways this thing could play out. I hope for everyone's sake, both teams are able to send out a full lineup. With full line ups, I feel it necessary to do this:

25 slight lean PSU
33 slight lean PSU
41 slight lean PSU
49 Iowa favorite
57 Iowa favorite
65 Iowa favorite
74 slight lean PSU
84 PSU favorite
97 slight lean PSU
285 slight lean PSU

If my predictions are correct, the team score will be no where near how close this match will actually be. I'm confident but also realize what Iowa can do.

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That's what I want as well my friend...both teams to send out their full lineup. And then let the fur and feathers fly and see what happens.

I think your projections are fair, though I don't think Kem's shoulder will prevent him from going pretty much all in for his match with Star. And as good as Star is (and I'm not taking anything away from the NCAA champ), I think Kem will figure out where he went wrong at NCAAS and avenge the loss. I'm hoping Kem, Ayala and ADS bring their A games so this will be competitive...otherwise things could get really ugly really fricking quick. And if we bring that sh*t we brought against Ohio State last Friday we'll feel the same pain Mich felt, but I don't see that happening. You guys coming to town makes it all different.

WRT Alex Marinelli, I too think he's a a stand up guy and his regular seasons and B10 tourneys have gone very well. However, this year he's been far less assertive than in the past. Not sure why but it sucks. For Iowa to have a chance, I think he needs to score some big points against BB. And I know BB is no joke so I'm not saying it will happen, but the Bull went head to head with VJ who was a fricking badass so against lesser opponents he needs to start being THE guy.

I don't get to see Iowa wrestle very often, but when PSU is in town I give it my best because both teams seem to bring their best. Hopefully this Friday will not disappoint!

Good luck!
Junglekitty said:
Well said. I'm hoping next year this dual happens in the BJC. If it does and you are in town for it, send me a message and we'll grab a beer.
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Sounds like a great plan; I would enjoy it!!
 
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mcpat said:
It's the part where I'm being called out for things they read but that I didn't actual write or even insinuate that was driving me nuts. This is why I read but didn't post for years. I guess that's the internet though.

edit: this is what I learned while offering myself to be bludgeoned:

1) Iowa has no control over their schedule, even non-conference (no wonder they refuse to shake hands; they didn't want to wrestle their opponents to begin with).
2) Things they engage with you on for two days are not interesting to them.
3) Every factual observation is in some way a dig at Iowa.
4) They tell you to leave, then ask you to stay only so they can tell you to leave again (I fell for this once, but not the second time).
5) They throw out the B word quickly.
6) Their reading comprehension is very poor. (I thought Iowa was a "public ivy"?)
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I also learned that a Penn State dominance is bad for growing the sport. However, an Iowa dominance would be good.
 
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dunkej01 said:
Rules of the road for tHR...

#1 they hate you
#2 gable is God and TnT are the 2nd coming
#3 tHR is supposed to be their safe space.
#4 see rule #1
#5 if you or your team did something they feel stupid, goes against their belief system or makes their hawks look less than superior.....even if your right you are wrong
#6 everyone but the hawks cheats because see rule #2
#7 see rule #1
#8 having thin skin is other teams problem
#9 the inner circle is absolutely not a corn field version of bohemian grove
#10 see rule #1

Keep these all in mind when visiting and you won't lose your mind when entering the arena.
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Which rule number is when HR breaks the emergency glass and reaches for “Yeah, well, shut up, Sandusky” reply ?
 
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Lion8286 said:
I also learned that a Penn State dominance is bad for growing the sport. However, an Iowa dominance would be good.
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In all seriousness, want to increase coverage of the sport? Give them something to talk about. Stop keeping everything "in the room.". Tell us why ADS is sitting. Give sports reporters something to talk about wrt wrestling.
 
mcpat said:
In all seriousness, want to increase coverage of the sport? Give them something to talk about. Stop keeping everything "in the room.". Tell us why ADS is sitting. Give sports reporters something to talk about wrt wrestling.
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It's none of our business what's going on in the room. That's how it always should be imo.

"They" sports reporters already talk plenty about Iowa don't you think? Maybe pick on another team that could help increase coverage of the sport better. Like Minnesota or ISU for instance. What have they done lately? Iowa has done their share and then some
 
nitlion6 said:
PSU fans should never bitch about how tight lipped someone else's room is.
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oh I agree. That was just a recent example. Don't read what I didn't write. :). I mean overall for the sport, give folks something to report on. All programs. PSU included and especially.
 
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James P. Whitters III said:
You make it hard to hate Iowa fans. You love your Hawkeyes, but don't feel the need to accuse Cael of cheating or go around pretending that wrestling was just invented when Gable left ISU. It should be one hell of a dual!
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Yeah, I just don't see the need to go there. I love my Hawks and love college wrestling!! All the talk about cheating is exactly what you get when someone's winning. I bet Gable got it when he was at Iowa just like Cael is getting it at PSU and Nick Saban is getting it at Alabama (and I can't stand Alabama)! But guys like Cael and Saban will go down as some of the best ever because they find a way to win. Back to the dual...let's go HAWKS!! :)
 
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WildTurk said:
It's none of our business what's going on in the room. That's how it always should be imo.

"They" sports reporters already talk plenty about Iowa don't you think? Maybe pick on another team that could help increase coverage of the sport better. Like Minnesota or ISU for instance. What have they done lately? Iowa has done their share and then some
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Wasn't slighting Iowa; only chose a recent example. Keeping it in the room won't grow interest in the sport.
 
dunkej01 said:
TBH @mcpat you have been treated fairly well so far. Only after you receive your first "sandusky" can you apply for a promotion.

Being twisted into a pretzel by inferior logic and reasoning is just part of the training.
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Sadly, I'm not disagreeing with you, but the way you post it makes your response fricking hilarious!! Clearly there is no love lost between some on these forums, but you must admit there are some hilarious posts from time to time, even the ones that might have been intended to be serious.
 
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nitlion6 said:
PSU fans should never bitch about how tight lipped someone else's room is.
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That was my next comment. Cael doesn't give you much to work with. Just enough to get you by every week. Standard coach speak.

Tom certainly doesn't give out much details but his personality lights up and little nuggets come out for people to speculate on.
 
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WildTurk said:
That was my next comment. Cael doesn't give you much to work with. Just enough to get you by every week. Standard coach speak.

Tom certainly doesn't give out much details but his personality lights up and little nuggets come out for people to speculate on.
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I didn't say he did. The worst part of internet forums is when you write something and people read something else. Wrestling is very tight-lipped. Hard to generate interest in the general public when there is nothing out there to talk about. The ADS situation was the most recent example. Even Willie said so on the first word. I never said Iowa was more guilty than Penn State. If anything, Penn State is more guilty. Too late for those that read something I didn't write.
 
WildTurk said:
That was my next comment. Cael doesn't give you much to work with. Just enough to get you by every week. Standard coach speak.

Tom certainly doesn't give out much details but his personality lights up and little nuggets come out for people to speculate on.
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Thanks for your service to our Nittany Nation, but we’re already on top of it. It’s What We Do. There is an open position for that line of work over at tHR, though.

- Slush H
 
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Thanks for your service to our Nittany Nation, but we’re already on top of it. It’s What We Do. There is an open position for that line of work over at tHR, though.

- Slush H
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Watch your own bobber. I got this
 
mcpat said:
I didn't say he did. The worst part of internet forums is when you write something and people read something else. Wrestling is very tight-lipped. Hard to generate interest in the general public when there is nothing out there to talk about. The ADS situation was the most recent example. Even Willie said so on the first word. I never said Iowa was more guilty than Penn State. If anything, Penn State is more guilty. Too late for those that read something I didn't write.
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Nothing to argue about then. How wonderful 😀
 
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PAHURDLER said:
Isnt the difference that Gable actually was? How many scholarships was he playing with again?
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See, that's why I don't go there. Because doing so just ends up creating more controversy, bitching, complaining, etc., from both sides, and in doing so it takes the attention away from where it should be...on those athletes who have busted their asses their entire lives so they could one day wrestle on the biggest stage in college wrestling. Those are the gentlemen we should be talking about.
 
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