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The media is going way past offering any comments or opinions that meet any criteria of responsibility or common sense. The BOT are frightened little girls and the Big Ten is just trying to seem relevant and/or trying to cover their a$$es.


The thing is we must wait until due process has been completed and the facts are known. Then things will fall into place and we will know (maybe) what actually happened. Those responsible will be punished and those who did meet their responsibility will move on. There will be the Civil Lawsuits which will tell more of the story. And there will be years of books and movies that will put their spin on this sad chapter in history. All that will be left is for the innocent to have their opportunity in Civil Court.


All that I can see for us to do is to keep track of who is saying what, keep the newspaper stories, magazine articles, post threads safe so we can revisit this mess and hold those in the wrong responsible.


Remember, the Penn State Alumni Association is the largest of its kind. We have the power to affect any and all organizations involved here be it the BOT, the administration, the NCAA, the Big Ten, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, whomever. All of these organizations are hoping, even praying, that we forget about this as time goes forward.


For my part I hope JoePa sues all of them. It is the only way for all parties to be fairly represented. I am sure there are Penn State supporters that are lawyers and journalists. They can step forward and do their part to help. BUT WE MUST stop the hyperbole and wait until the justice system has completed due process. If we, as a group, do not have credibility we will not be able to make an impact.


Once we know the facts we can start holding those in the BOT, the administration, the NCAA, the Big Ten, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, whomever responsible for their errors in justice and fair play. We have the power to make their lives miserable and make them all poorer. We can, as a huge group, stick our figurative feet up their a$$es. We do that by never forgetting, by displaying signs at the games, by face to face confrontation whenever they present themselves in public, by conducting snail mail, e-mail, twitter and social media campaigns naming the players by name, by organization, by their businesses. We can have an impact by no longer doing business with these peoples companies.


We can have an impact within the University using sit-ins’, protests, and the Ballot box. These fat cat money people serve by OUR discretion. We can wait for their term to run its course and vote them out or we can work to force them out by making their lives as difficult as possible.


We can impact politics by pressuring the elected representatives to consider our wishes to order to get elected, by lobbying.


Let us go about assembling their names, addresses, phone numbers and e-mail addresses. Let us write to and visit their place of business. The next time anyone sees John Serma or Brian Williams, go over to them and tell them how we feel. Penn Staters are everywhere and we can make a difference. BUT WE MUST BE CERTAIN WE KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED FIRST!


I do know that if I was John Serma and was seen saying on television that the “evidence” the BOT used to make the decision was “the grand jury report and the stuff you guys (the media) have written” I would be looking for a very deep hole to climb into to hide in. John Serma admitted in public that Joe Paterno was fired without due process and without any credible evidence. I smell law suit!! Governor Tom Corbitt was afraid to tell the BOT what was happening?? What?? We all read that Barry Switzer stated that people on staffs tell each other what is going one within their organization. So we are being asked to believe them that Joe Paterno had to have known and failed to act and the BOT didn’t?? See, they think we are stupid and weak.


Let us never forget. Let us hold their feet to the fire. Let us kick their butts.


I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!
 
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Everybody lies, no matter who, they lie, like Hillary who said a few months ago at a rally that "She never imagined herself running for President" and the sound-bite, out of context, where she said "I never lied that I can recall" and Trump, with his fascist "we will make America again" and the "run the bum out of here" attitude.


All of this is because of the media, who pander to the lowest common dominator in people in our society, in an effort to capture peoples' attention, to perpetrate the existence of a group that actually believes people agree with them. This usually involves hate which most people ignore, but the few that do 'believe' seem to be proliferating.


The then Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, a crook in his own time, called them "the nattering nabobs of negativism" a group of self serving people looking to make a name for themselves, get an award, a job, a book, a movie, seemingly everything but the truth. That tells me the truth is worse than the "story" each one might tell.


However, in this case the passion, the relentless passion of the people who truly believe in their/my belief in the man we saw throughout the years, so consistently and defiantly, is not the man they are portraying.


As for the BoT and the administration, as far as anything I have seen on TV and whose comments I have heard them say, have not engendered any feelings of belief or confidence. It seems to have come to the point where I pay them so many hundreds of dollars each year for the "Privilege" of buying football tickets.


Which is why "they seized upon Joe's failing health and threw him under...." But I repeat myself.



"He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors." - Thomas Jefferson
 
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If AL and the other A9 sold out for a Paterno honor/statue, then It is confirmed they don't get it. That would only cement the national storyline that it was all about football and not about finding the truth.

Certainly you don't think that's what the post meant? Perhaps we should wait and see if perhaps a public speech offering an apology to Sue and correcting the long-neglected OGBOT false narrative is what A.L. might be referring to at that event?
 
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Certainly you don't think that's what the post meant? Perhaps we should wait and see if perhaps a public speech offering an apology to Sue and correcting the long-neglected OGBOT false narrative is what A.L might be referring to at that event?
That sounds to me like a deal that would have been hashed out a month or so ago. We have been assured that a deal was not struck at the meeting.
 
That sounds to me like a deal that would have been hashed out a month or so ago. We have been assured that a deal was not struck at the meeting.
Then we have to consider a BOT meeting will be happening on the 15th and 16th as already pointed out, and maybe, just maybe, the Exec Comm will be receiving an update or completed package on the Freeh Report review and perhaps an "ultimatum" of sorts...

It's pretty obvious the actual topic is something Lubrano has stated he cannot discuss right now, which leads me to think it might concern the review, for which they are pledged to silence by a judge's order.

Don't forget the explanation people seem to want might possibly bring a contempt of court charge and BOT dismissal if discussed at this time. Is that what people want?
 
Certainly you don't think that's what the post meant? Perhaps we should wait and see if perhaps a public speech offering an apology to Sue and correcting the long-neglected OGBOT false narrative is what A.L might be referring to at that event?
Good Lord - I hope not.
(And, to be clear, that is a general comment - that's not directed at you. I know your were not saying that was the case, and you were only "hypothetical-ing")

The idea that Ira and the Scoundrels would issue an "apology"....but only if the A9 joined in his coronation? How could that POSSIBLY even be termed as an apology?

a·pol·o·gy [əˈpäləjē]
NOUN
  1. a regretful acknowledgment of an offense or failure:

"Apologies" DO NOT come with strings attached.
The two concepts are - clearly - mutually exclusive.

That apology would be worth something less than nothing. Used toilet paper comes to mind (only Chuck Norris could measure its value :) ).......

As would any "offer" to correct a so-called "narrative"....that came with the same strings attached.
 
Good Lord - I hope not.
(And, to be clear, that is a general comment - that's not directed at you. I know your were not saying that was the case, and you were only "hypothetical-ing")

The idea that Ira and the Scoundrels would issue an "apology"....but only if the A9 joined in his coronation? How could that POSSIBLY even be termed as an apology?

a·pol·o·gy [əˈpäləjē]
NOUN
  1. a regretful acknowledgment of an offense or failure:

"Apologies" DO NOT come with strings attached.
The two concepts are - clearly - mutually exclusive.

That apology would be worth something less than nothing. Used toilet paper comes to mind (only Chuck Norris could measure its value :) ).......

As would any "offer" to correct a so-called "narrative"....that came with the same strings attached.
Sigh.... Your position is that these two things are connected, mine is that they are not, which is what A.L. has said, twice now. I'm willing to take his word until proven otherwise. Event 1: Pick your battles, the vote would be lost anyway. Event 2:Exec Comm proceedings that we can't know about yet.

Correction, Executive Session, my bad. Not the same as Exec Comm... :cool:
 
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Sigh.... Your position is that these two things are connected, mine is that they are not, which is what A.L. has said, twice now. I'm willing to take his word until proven otherwise. Event 1: Pick your battles, the vote would be lost anyway. Event 2:Exec Comm proceedings that we can't know about yet.

Correction, Executive Session, my bad. Not the same as Exec Comm... :cool:

The A9 represent the Alumni. Which they have done horridly. Are you an Alum? If not, it doesn't matter what you think of A9 and how much rope you give them. If you are, then shame on you for supporting these creeps who will sell out for AN APOLOGY?
 
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The A9 represent the Alumni. Which they have done horridly. Are you an Alum? If not, it doesn't matter what you think of A9 and how much rope you give them. If you are, then shame on you for supporting these creeps who will sell out for AN APOLOGY?
I'm an alum, and I offer no apologies for supporting Lubrano (& the A9).
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The A9 represent the Alumni. Which they have done horridly. Are you an Alum? If not, it doesn't matter what you think of A9 and how much rope you give them. If you are, then shame on you for supporting these creeps who will sell out for AN APOLOGY?
"creeps" wow
 
The A9 represent the Alumni. Which they have done horridly. Are you an Alum? If not, it doesn't matter what you think of A9 and how much rope you give them. If you are, then shame on you for supporting these creeps who will sell out for AN APOLOGY?
Horridly? How so? Soooo horrid that they gained access to the entire Freeh database, funded that suit out of their own pockets and are reviewing it. Sooo horrid that they seem to spend more time on student issues than many other BOT members, including interacting with them regularly. Sooo horrid they voted against a tuition increase. Sooo Horrid. "Sold out for an apology"? Since when?
 
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Sigh.... Your position is that these two things are connected, mine is that they are not, which is what A.L. has said, twice now. I'm willing to take his word until proven otherwise. Event 1: Pick your battles, the vote would be lost anyway. Event 2:Exec Comm proceedings that we can't know about yet.

Correction, Executive Session, my bad. Not the same as Exec Comm... :cool:
No No No NO NO NO NO NO! NO! NO !

That's not the case.

Is that clear enough? :)

I have never said there was some deal.....FWIW, from my perspective it just wouldn't make sense, and while its a POSSIBILITY, it is not something that I assumed - or that I even felt was likely..

I was just addressing the "hypothetical".....THAT YOU PUT OUT THERE.
[From YOUR post, NOT mine ".....Perhaps we should wait and see if perhaps a public speech offering an apology to Sue and correcting the long-neglected OGBOT false narrative is what A.L might be referring to at that event?....." ]
That was YOUR post, not mine.....and I even went so far as to specifically state that my assumption was that you were only posing a hypothetical, and that I was NOT assuming that to be your position.
I wish you would utilize the same level of discretion before tagging such BS as being "My Position"

I thought I made it abundantly clear that I was responding to YOUR hypothetical, but maybe not. :) Though I have clearly stated that in previous discussions.

I have no way of KNOWING whether or not a "deal" like the one in the hypothetical was made.....and while anything is possible, my gut feel is that a deal like that is unlikely. Because:

1 - It doesn't make sense on a primary level (Lubert had no need to make a "deal" to be elected King)

2 - It would be beyond stupid for the A9 to place any value in any "deal" that involved Ira.....and for all the issues I have with the A9's numerous fiduciary failures (including the Ira vote)....I have not come to the conclusion that they are "that stupid".

Please don't assume my position to be one that:

A - Isn't mine :)
and
B - That I don't even agree with.
 
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Horridly? How so? Soooo horrid that they gained access to the entire Freeh database, funded that suit out of their own pockets and are reviewing it. Sooo horrid that they seem to spend more time on student issues than many other BOT members, including interacting with them regularly. Sooo horrid they voted against a tuition increase. Sooo Horrid. "Sold out for an apology"? Since when?

Sold out for something. We will see what soon.

Access to the database that included a muzzle as a condition - check. Great.

Student issues, including voting for tuition decreases/freezing/textbook prices under control/lab fees not going up to make up for tuition costs --- NAH. They didnt do any of that. But who cares right?
 
Sold out for something. We will see what soon.

Access to the database that included a muzzle as a condition - check. Great.

Student issues, including voting for tuition decreases/freezing/textbook prices under control/lab fees not going up to make up for tuition costs --- NAH. They didnt do any of that. But who cares right?
Access to the full, unredacted Freeh database. Check.

And as for the tuition thing, I'll just assume you're joking.
 
The A9 represent the Alumni. Which they have done horridly. Are you an Alum? If not, it doesn't matter what you think of A9 and how much rope you give them. If you are, then shame on you for supporting these creeps who will sell out for AN APOLOGY?

Didn't realize you had inside information that the BOT was going to officially apologize to the Paterno's and the alumni for everything. Where did you get your information?
 
Didn't realize you had inside information that the BOT was going to officially apologize to the Paterno's and the alumni for everything. Where did you get your information?
Nellie was the one who posed that "possibility"......though, of course, it was all on Covey that he ran with it like a fat kid who just robbed the ice cream truck :)
 
The possibility has been out there since minutes after the vote for Lubert on these very boards. It's all speculation but the A9 has not denied it. Nor said anything really.
Exactly.

Should the A9 have immediately addressed - without all the bullshit and obfuscation - why they committed such a horrendous act on July 22? And - maybe - put an end to the obviously predictable speculation? Probably - - - but that's a different issue..
 
The possibility has been out there since minutes after the vote for Lubert on these very boards. It's all speculation but the A9 has not denied it. Nor said anything really.

Sorry my bad, I must have missed where AL and other A9 members have posted here what was discussed in the executive sessions....
 
Some people on here are acting like a spoiled 3 year old that wants a lollipop before dinner. "I want it now" or I'm going to cry. Lubrano will see this thing thru. Relax and learn to patience.
Has not ONE DAMN THING to do with "having patience".........though that seems to have become the party line for those folks seeking to defend the indefensible

"When our approach to a situation is not explainable to the public, insist that the situation itself simply does not exist".......Joseph Goebbels

As bullshit, obfuscating excuses go - it sounds the same coming from the A9 Pravda Press now, as it did coming from Dicky Dandrea - Mr "Patience is the Order of the Day" - four years ago
 
They don't need any of the A9 to share details of the executive session discussions. You see, they know exactly what happened because they weren't there and have no idea what transpired.

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Didn't you see that? It was VERY "public"

The only folks who need to "conjour up hypotheticals" to try and distort the facts are those trying to defend the failures

QED

"When our approach to a situation is not explainable to the public, insist that the situation itself simply does not exist".......Joseph Goebbels
 
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Didn't you see that? It was VERY "public"

The only folks who need to "conjour up hypotheticals" to try and distort the facts are those trying to defend the failures

QED

"When our approach to a situation is not explainable to the public, insist that the situation itself simply does not exist".......Joseph Goebbels
So what's your plan?
 
Everybody lies, no matter who, they lie, like Hillary who said a few months ago at a rally that "She never imagined herself running for President" and the sound-bite, out of context, where she said "I never lied that I can recall" and Trump, with his fascist "we will make America again" and the "run the bum out of here" attitude.


All of this is because of the media, who pander to the lowest common dominator in people in our society, in an effort to capture peoples' attention, to perpetrate the existence of a group that actually believes people agree with them. This usually involves hate which most people ignore, but the few that do 'believe' seem to be proliferating.


The then Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, a crook in his own time, called them "the nattering nabobs of negativism" a group of self serving people looking to make a name for themselves, get an award, a job, a book, a movie, seemingly everything but the truth. That tells me the truth is worse than the "story" each one might tell.


However, in this case the passion, the relentless passion of the people who truly believe in their/my belief in the man we saw throughout the years, so consistently and defiantly, is not the man they are portraying.


As for the BoT and the administration, as far as anything I have seen on TV and whose comments I have heard them say, have not engendered any feelings of belief or confidence. It seems to have come to the point where I pay them so many hundreds of dollars each year for the "Privilege" of buying football tickets.


Which is why "they seized upon Joe's failing health and threw him under...." But I repeat myself.



"He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors." - Thomas Jefferson
 
What I mean to say, why I bothered to repost some of the greatest hits of the FATAL FLAW for PSU, that is the hot steaming bag of shit the BoT was, and still is, the corrupt local and state law enforcement agencies and the Administration ALL should be flushed down the toilet. There isn't a single sole involved with a pin heads worth of courage or integrity. This is why to discuss what the BoT may or may not do is akin to mental masturbation. What all of those "high power" sycophants need to understand is that eventually, after Due Process and trial completion, Joe Paterno will be exonerated, but the rest of them will live in infamy. The Books and Movies will paint a picture of complete greed, moral bankruptcy, collusion and arrogance/stupidity.

I told you all my plan, that is to disseminate the names, addresses, phone numbers, e-mail addresses, places of business, everything so that each individual could make their lives as miserable as Sue Paternos life has been.

I don't wish to wait for some meaningless futile gesture, some half measure designed to make a final attempt to try and fool people into believing any of them actually care.

We need to flush all of them down the toilet like the hot steaming smelly turds they are.

So, go ahead fools, wait for these corrupt scumbags to do something right, Ha Ha Ha
 
As far as the BoT and others, I would never condone the use of violence, harassment, verbal abuse or obscenity. Sometimes one has to say hurtful things, but you never have to say it in a hurtful way.

Besides,“No one expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise, fear and surprise; two chief weapons, fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency! Er..., among our chief weapons are: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and near fanatical devotion to the Pope! Um, I'll come in again...”.

Always look on the bright side of life, du du Just a little Item #9
 
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Act as proper fiduciaries.......if you're really interested let me know, and when I have the time I'll make you a list :). It's kinda long

In the meantime, one could start with "Don't support one of the worst Scoundrels in history in his bid to take over the BOT".
I'm very serious. You've taken considerable time to describe your unhappiness with the vote from a month ago in no uncertain terms. Fair to say you've made clear your criticisms.

What would your plan be going forward?
 
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I'm very serious. You've taken considerable time to describe your unhappiness with the vote from a month ago in no uncertain terms. Fair to say you've made clear your criticisms.

What would your plan be going forward?
I've made that abundantly clear as well

That said, despite the fact that it's an incredibly busy week, I'm gonna take some time later today and compile and summarize those items for you

You're welcome. :)
 
I'm very serious. You've taken considerable time to describe your unhappiness with the vote from a month ago in no uncertain terms. Fair to say you've made clear your criticisms.

What would your plan be going forward?


I would place appropriate pressure, consistent pressure, a grass roots organization on each and every person still actively involved, in all the ways possible to drive home the point we aren't happy, ao as to make them think about it as often as we do. Civil disobedience, if you will. I am old and far away, but their must be some of us close enough to show up at meting and functions to put pressure. I we could garner the medias interest those blood suckers would jump on the chance to get a byline or air time. If it got a little ugly, well they would deserve it. In the beginning of this mess people brought signs to the games and the TV people were adept at avoiding showing them so many more people would be needed to show signs. Avoiding vulgarisms and hyperbole would increase the chance of them getting on tv. Placing signs in their yards, e-mails, letters, phone calls, protesting at their place of work all done with the class Penn State prides our selves would be a powerful message and it would demonstrate our commitment to do it respectfully. The Penn State way,
 
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