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PurposePitch said:
Actually, you listed 14, Eeyore. And you're trying to tell us you believe the Mountain West, the PAC 2 and the AAC will all get teams in the playoff over a 2 loss Power 4 conference squad? Not a chance.

Regardless, hypothetically you could see an undefeated BYU and Iowa St. going into the Big 12 Champ Game, and you could see undefeated Miami and Pitt going into the ACC Champ Game. There's no way a 1-loss AAC champ gets in over 2-loss Power 4 teams, unless that 1-loss AAC champ is the highest ranked G5 squad. They're not going in in addition to another G5 squad.

A 2-loss ND squad could be vulnerable, but a ton of stuff would have to fall just right (or wrong, depending on your perspective) for that to happen - and that would be at the hands of a Power 4 team.

So, what if ...

Oregon 13-0
Georgia 12-1
Miami 13-0
BYU 13-0
Boise St. 13-0

OSU 11-2 (lost CCG)
Iowa St. 12-1 (lost CCG)
Pitt 12-1 (lost CCG)
ND 12-1

PSU 10-2 (loses to OSU and an imaginary team - I guess Minny)
Texas 11-2 (lost CCG)
Texas A&M 10-2 (loses to Texas)
Tennessee 10-2 (loses to Georgia)
Alabama 10-2 (beats LSU)
Clemson 10-2 (loses to Pitt)
Kansas St. 10-2 (loses to ISU)

Who goes?

Granted, this isn't happening. Heck, I think SMU beats Pitt this week ... and no doubt other upsets will happen between now and the end of the season ... but do those 2 loss Power 4 teams squeeze out other Power 4 teams that were undefeated going into their CCG? Up to 4 of those teams listed don't make it, although the top 5 listed are guaranteed.
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Notre Dame can't win 12 and not sure what you're doing with Indy but assuming they're out???

#12 Boise St vs #5 Ohio State (#4 BYU)
#11 Tennessee vs #6 Texas (#3 Miami)
#10 Iowa State vs 7 Notre Dame (#2 Georgia)
#9 Penn State vs #8 Alabama (#1 Oregon)

Pitt, Clemson and K-State have no shot
The debate in 10 & 11 between Iowa State, Tennessee and A&M. A&M likely gets screwed. Eh maybe Tennessee does--I can see an argument for all 3 of them being out.
 
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PurposePitch said:
Boise St. 13-0
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Oregon has done given Boise a loss, but they are still positioned to be the G5 representative.

LandoComando said:
not sure what you're doing with Indy but assuming they're out???
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Indy will be an interesting case. If they finish 11-1, they likely become huge LSU and Vandy fans (they need LSU to give Bama loss 3, Vandy could give UT loss 3 after they presumably get beat by UGA and LSU loss 3).

Additionally, most people's prognostication doesn't include calamity. This season simply won't play out as we think.
 
bdgan said:
It's starting to look like 2 loss teams aren't safe and PSU doesn't have a difficult schedule. 11-1 Indiana would go before 10-2 PSU. The ACC could easily get 2 teams (Miami, Clemson, Pitt). ND is pretty much a lock at this point unless they lose to USC.

4 SEC (GA, aTm, Tenn, Texas, LSU, Bama)
3 BiG (Oregon, OSU, PSU, Indy)
2 ACC (Miami, Clemson, Pitt)
1 BiG 12 (BYU & Iowa State are undefeated)
Mountain West (Boise State)
ND
PAC 12 (Washington State could finish with only 1 loss)
AAC (Army or Tulane - Probably not but a 1 loss conference champ might be more attractive than a 4th place 2 loss team from the SEC or BiG)

That's 13. It's not a prediction but some 2 loss teams are going to be left out.
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Tennessee is likely done (2 losses and still play GA )

Alabama or LSU will take their third loss this weekend.

Don’t overlook a 1-loss SMU (BYU) vs Pitt this weekend. There isn’t much left on their schedule after this game. I wonder what the tiebreakers are for the conference championship game if there is three undefeated in conference?
 
In the scenario I laid out, which will never happen, I think you see:

Oregon 13-0
Georgia 12-1
Miami 13-0
BYU 13-0
Boise St. 12-1

Iowa St. 12-1 (lost CCG)
Pitt 12-1 (lost CCG)
ND 11-1
Indiana 11-1 (loses to OSU)

OSU 11-2 (lost CCG)
Texas 11-2 (lost CCG)
Alabama 10-2 (beats LSU)

Those 12 all make it.


These guys are out:

PSU 10-2 (loses to OSU and an imaginary team - I guess Minny)
Texas A&M 10-2 (loses to Texas)
Tennessee 10-2 (loses to Georgia)
Clemson 10-2 (loses to Pitt)
Kansas St. 10-2 (loses to ISU)
 
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PurposePitch said:
In the scenario I laid out, which will never happen, I think you see:

Oregon 13-0
Georgia 12-1
Miami 13-0
BYU 13-0
Boise St. 12-1

Iowa St. 12-1 (lost CCG)
Pitt 12-1 (lost CCG)
ND 11-1
Indiana 11-1 (loses to OSU)

OSU 11-2 (lost CCG)
Texas 11-2 (lost CCG)
Alabama 10-2 (beats LSU)

Those 12 all make it.


These guys are out:

PSU 10-2 (loses to OSU and an imaginary team - I guess Minny)
Texas A&M 10-2 (loses to Texas)
Tennessee 10-2 (loses to Georgia)
Clemson 10-2 (loses to Pitt)
Kansas St. 10-2 (loses to ISU)
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Penn State and Bama is a coin toss
None of Pitt/Iowa State and Indiana is guaranteed a spot over us in that either
We'd almost certainly be ahead of Pitt
But if this is what has to happen--we're a lock
 
KCLion said:
Tennessee is likely done (2 losses and still play GA )
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They currently have only 1 loss, to Arkansas.

KCLion said:
Don’t overlook a 1-loss SMU (BYU) vs Pitt this weekend. There isn’t much left on their schedule after this game. I wonder what the tiebreakers are for the conference championship game if there is three undefeated in conference?
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It basically goes all the way down the tiebreaker ladder to combined ACC opponents' in-conference winning %.

Another reason these mega-conferences are a stoopit idea.
 
PurposePitch said:
In the scenario I laid out, which will never happen, I think you see:

Oregon 13-0
Georgia 12-1
Miami 13-0
BYU 13-0
Boise St. 12-1

Iowa St. 12-1 (lost CCG)
Pitt 12-1 (lost CCG)
ND 11-1
Indiana 11-1 (loses to OSU)

OSU 11-2 (lost CCG)
Texas 11-2 (lost CCG)
Alabama 10-2 (beats LSU)

Those 12 all make it.


These guys are out:

PSU 10-2 (loses to OSU and an imaginary team - I guess Minny)
Texas A&M 10-2 (loses to Texas)
Tennessee 10-2 (loses to Georgia)
Clemson 10-2 (loses to Pitt)
Kansas St. 10-2 (loses to ISU)
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That's very possible. I've said all along that the ACC could get 2 teams and some 2 loss teams will miss out. IMO the best we can hope for in that scenario is for ND to lose to USC.
 
Wonder why no one asked about the possibility of Winston returning this week. Maybe it will be reported after the Wed. media access on if he is practicing at all.
 
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GregInPitt said:
Wonder why no one asked about the possibility of Winston returning this week. Maybe it will be reported after the Wed. media access on if he is practicing at all.
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Has he even been with the team full time? Didn't Franklin visit him at home during the bye week?
 
The prospect of PSU going 10-2 and missing the playoff is kind of funny. Like, what did Franklin do to get himself cursed so that the playoff expands to 12 teams and PSU comes in 13th?

But why dwell on it. PSU has a decent chance on Saturday. The way Pribula played -- PSU can be as good as they'd be with Allar, and in some ways better.

And if they lose, well then they have to win out and they can do that. They can win @ Minnesota.
 
tboyer said:
The prospect of PSU going 10-2 and missing the playoff is kind of funny. Like, what did Franklin do to get himself cursed so that the playoff expands to 12 teams and PSU comes in 13th?

But why dwell on it. PSU has a decent chance on Saturday. The way Pribula played -- PSU can be as good as they'd be with Allar, and in some ways better.

And if they lose, well then they have to win out and they can do that. They can win @ Minnesota.
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This is not a must have game for either team.

A PSU loss means our margin for error shrinks but we certainly are in at 11-1. Maybe 10-2 but iffy.

Even an OSU loss does not eliminate them. They get in at 10-2 and need a third loss to knock them out of the playoff. It would make every game after a must have for them.
 
tboyer said:
The prospect of PSU going 10-2 and missing the playoff is kind of funny. Like, what did Franklin do to get himself cursed so that the playoff expands to 12 teams and PSU comes in 13th?

But why dwell on it. PSU has a decent chance on Saturday. The way Pribula played -- PSU can be as good as they'd be with Allar, and in some ways better.

And if they lose, well then they have to win out and they can do that. They can win @ Minnesota.
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There's zero reason, at this point, to believe PSU will finish 10-2 ... so why are we talking about it like it's a realistic outcome and lamenting it?
 
ryoder1 said:
This is not a must have game for either team.

A PSU loss means our margin for error shrinks but we certainly are in at 11-1. Maybe 10-2 but iffy.

Even an OSU loss does not eliminate them. They get in at 10-2 and need a third loss to knock them out of the playoff. It would make every game after a must have for them.
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Ohio State gets a home game at 10-2...we might as well. We're not losing 2 but if we do.
 
ryoder1 said:
This is not a must have game for either team.

A PSU loss means our margin for error shrinks but we certainly are in at 11-1. Maybe 10-2 but iffy.

Even an OSU loss does not eliminate them. They get in at 10-2 and need a third loss to knock them out of the playoff. It would make every game after a must have for them.
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Help could come, for example, if USC would beat the Domers at the end of the season. We beat USC at their place and if ND and PSU are both 10-2 we are ahead of them. Lots of football for the other teams to play as well.
 
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GregInPitt said:
Help could come, for example, if USC would beat the Domers at the end of the season. We beat USC at their place and if ND and PSU are both 10-2 we are ahead of them. Lots of football for the other teams to play as well.
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GregInPitt said:
Help could come, for example, if USC would beat the Domers at the end of the season. We beat USC at their place and if ND and PSU are both 10-2 we are ahead of them. Lots of football for the other teams to play as well.
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Really want to avoid the 10-2 scenario. Should not even come into play. After beating USC in the Coliseum we should have at most one loss.
 
Look I don't want to be an a$$hole but if either that Minnesota team that lost to UNC or that Maryland team, or even that UW team, beats us, we don't deserve a playoff spot.
 
Delcolion915 said:
Look I don't want to be an a$$hole but if either that Minnesota team that lost to UNC or that Maryland team, or even that UW team, beats us, we don't deserve a playoff spot.
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Why though?
Does ND deserve a spot for losing to NIU?
Bama for losing to Vandy?
Would Ohio State if they lost to us and Oregon?
Does Miami have to run the table?
How do you get to 12?
 
Delcolion915 said:
You don't. Ask Florida State about 4.
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Okay which FSU wasn't one of the top 4 teams but now you have a 12 team playoff so you have to find 12 teams
Which Penn State, at 10-2, is about as much of a lock as anyone would be at 10-2 other than Ohio State or Georgia.
Maybe Oregon but I don't see how they lose 2 games before the CCG
 
ryoder1 said:
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Really want to avoid the 10-2 scenario. Should not even come into play. After beating USC in the Coliseum we should have at most one loss.
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Yep, every fan want to win every game. But it doesn't hurt to look at all the possibilities.
 
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LandoComando said:
Assuming A&M continues to win--they do. That's all they have.
But the point is--we need 12 teams. Penn State at 10-2 and Notre Dame at 11-1 are in
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Georgia
Oregon
Iowa State
Clemson

Those are the top 4 auto qualifiers

At large teams:

Group of 5
Miami with one loss to Clemson in ccg
BYU in with one loss to Iowa St in ccg
Ohio State 10-2
Indiana 11-1 close loss to OSU
Notre Dame 11-1
Texas 10-2 lost to Georgia in ccg

Last spot between PSU, Bama, Tenn and A&M all at 10-2

Would be a rough scenario for us.
 
Us old guys have to worry about vertigo setting in as we wade through all these scenarios. Still LOTS of football left to be played and the biggest shock would be if every game played to chalk. Some team some weekend is going to drop a wrench into the middle of all this and force everyone to start this exercise over. Very possible a couple wrenches or a whole damn toolbox fall in the mix before we’re done. That’s the fun part.
 
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Georgia
Oregon
Iowa State
Clemson

Those are the top 4 auto qualifiers

At large teams:

Group of 5
Miami with one loss to Clemson in ccg
BYU in with one loss to Iowa St in ccg
Ohio State 10-2
Indiana 11-1 close loss to OSU
Notre Dame 11-1
Texas 10-2 lost to Georgia in ccg

Last spot between PSU, Bama, Tenn and A&M all at 10-2

Would be a rough scenario for us.
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Not sure why you're convinced BYU Indiana and Notre Dama are ahead of any of those 4 teams.
We saw last year record means nothing with FSU getting left out. Penn State with a loss Saturday will be at worst 6th. We couldn't be safer.
You also have 10 teams running the table to CCG week which has probably 0.000000001% chance of happening while this requires us to lose twice which is also highly unlikely.
In this scenario
12 Boise State at 5 Ohio State (4 Iowa State)
11 Notre Dame at 6 Texas (3 Clemson)
10 Indiana at 7 Alabama (2 Georgia)
9 Penn State at 8 Miami (1 Oregon)

A&M gets screwed for losing to ND while BYU has no shot. Penn State might he 7 or 8 especially if Allar misses either game or isn't 100%.
 
LandoComando said:
Notre Dame can't win 12 and not sure what you're doing with Indy but assuming they're out???

#12 Boise St vs #5 Ohio State (#4 BYU)
#11 Tennessee vs #6 Texas (#3 Miami)
#10 Iowa State vs 7 Notre Dame (#2 Georgia)
#9 Penn State vs #8 Alabama (#1 Oregon)

Pitt, Clemson and K-State have no shot
The debate in 10 & 11 between Iowa State, Tennessee and A&M. A&M likely gets screwed. Eh maybe Tennessee does--I can see an argument for all 3 of them being out.
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I don't know how you can say undefeated Pitt has no shot.

Assume Indiana finished 11-1, Pitt finishes 11-1, and PSU finishes 10-2. Are you really confident that PSU would be selected ahead of those teams?
 
Penn State is finishing no worse than 11-1, and I personally feel good about Allar playing Saturday, and the team's chances. Do some people really have so much time on their hands to cook up these nonsensical scenarios, and then go a step further and spend days arguing about them with strangers?
 
bdgan said:
I don't know how you can say undefeated Pitt has no shot.

Assume Indiana finished 11-1, Pitt finishes 11-1, and PSU finishes 10-2. Are you really confident that PSU would be selected ahead of those teams?
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Yes. 100% zero concern
Why aren't you?
 
bdgan said:
I don't know how you can say undefeated Pitt has no shot.

Assume Indiana finished 11-1, Pitt finishes 11-1, and PSU finishes 10-2. Are you really confident that PSU would be selected ahead of those teams?
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If an ACC or Big 12 squad (that includes Pitt, obviously) goes into their conference championship game undefeated, I think they make it to the playoff over every 2-loss team not named Alabama. If they take a regular season loss and end up 11-1 and not in their CCG, they aren't making it over most of the 2-loss Big Ten/SEC squads.
 
LandoComando said:
Not sure why you're convinced BYU Indiana and Notre Dama are ahead of any of those 4 teams.
We saw last year record means nothing with FSU getting left out. Penn State with a loss Saturday will be at worst 6th. We couldn't be safer.
You also have 10 teams running the table to CCG week which has probably 0.000000001% chance of happening while this requires us to lose twice which is also highly unlikely.
In this scenario
12 Boise State at 5 Ohio State (4 Iowa State)
11 Notre Dame at 6 Texas (3 Clemson)
10 Indiana at 7 Alabama (2 Georgia)
9 Penn State at 8 Miami (1 Oregon)

A&M gets screwed for losing to ND while BYU has no shot. Penn State might he 7 or 8 especially if Allar misses either game or isn't 100%.
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You are saying we are a lock at 10-2 and we are not.

Indiana will get in ahead of us at 11-1. Our strength of schedule is not that different. They will have beaten Michigan and Washington. Our two big wins would be USC and Illinois. I guess the fact we beat WVU may count a little extra but not enough. Maybe if we barely lose to OSU and they get crushed there is a shot we are selected over them. The FSU example last year is not relevant, ACC had no respect and only 4 teams. This is two teams from same conference.

Notre Dame is absolutely in ahead of us at 11-1. C'mon, this is Notre Dame, brands matter, ratings matter. Better record. Also beat USC.

Perhaps BYU does not get in or is thrown in the fray with the 2 loss crowd. So what you would have is:
-PSU 10-2
-Bama 10-2
-Tenn 10-2
-A&M 10-2
-BYU 11-1

All those teams competing for 2 spots. Throw out BYU, throw out A&M. Down to us, Bama, Tenn.

Tenn beat Bama, Huge win, lost to Arkansas and Georgia

Bama beat Georgia, Huge win, lost to Tenn and Vandy

Penn State beat???? USC okay win, Illinois okay win, lost to OSU and say Minny

We don't have a signature win in this scenario and we have a loss to an average team (Minny) similar to Bama's loss to Vandy and Tennessee's loss to Arkansas.

Even A&M stacks up well with two good losses (ND and Texas).

Would be tough for us if the dominoes don't fall the way we need them to.

I don't want some kind of scenario like this but the possibility exists and it is not far fetched.
 
ryoder1 said:
You are saying we are a lock at 10-2 and we are not.

Indiana will get in ahead of us at 11-1. Our strength of schedule is not that different. They will have beaten Michigan and Washington. Our two big wins would be USC and Illinois. I guess the fact we beat WVU may count a little extra but not enough. Maybe if we barely lose to OSU and they get crushed there is a shot we are selected over them. The FSU example last year is not relevant, ACC had no respect and only 4 teams. This is two teams from same conference.

Notre Dame is absolutely in ahead of us at 11-1. C'mon, this is Notre Dame, brands matter, ratings matter. Better record. Also beat USC.

Perhaps BYU does not get in or is thrown in the fray with the 2 loss crowd. So what you would have is:
-PSU 10-2
-Bama 10-2
-Tenn 10-2
-A&M 10-2
-BYU 11-1

All those teams competing for 2 spots. Throw out BYU, throw out A&M. Down to us, Bama, Tenn.

Tenn beat Bama, Huge win, lost to Arkansas and Georgia

Bama beat Georgia, Huge win, lost to Tenn and Vandy

Penn State beat???? USC okay win, Illinois okay win, lost to OSU and say Minny

We don't have a signature win in this scenario and we have a loss to an average team (Minny) similar to Bama's loss to Vandy and Tennessee's loss to Arkansas.

Even A&M stacks up well with two good losses (ND and Texas).

Would be tough for us if the dominoes don't fall the way we need them to.

I don't want some kind of scenario like this but the possibility exists and it is not far fetched.
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I think you're greatly underestimating how we're viewed nationally
 
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