Just to clean it up a bit, OSU would be 11-2 in that scenario, with a loss in the CCG. Texas would be 11-2.
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I think you're greatly overestimating how we'll be viewed nationally if we lose 2 of our remaining 5 games ... considering, if the 2nd loss is Minny, it's the 2nd to last regular season game against a likely/possible unranked opponent, and we may not have a win against a top 25 team on our resume by that point (or it may be one win against a top 20-25 ranked team).
A lot of it will depend on many other circumstances we don't know about right now (who wins, how and against whom), but the outlook is not so good now with a 2-loss PSU team.
I don't see us being a 2-loss squad.
I'm not. Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia, Oregon, Texas and Bama are all in if they lose 2. I don't think any other than possibly Ohio State and Bama will have 2 losses excluding CCGs but they're all in with 2 losses. The outlook right now is great with 2 losses.
We agree--I don't see us losing twice but the negativity just doesn't make sense here. People were mad when we were a 2-loss team and left out of a 4 team playoff. A program like Penn State will always get in at 10-2.
We are out if we lose two. We would have no really good wins, and a loss against a team that isn't very good.
Texas, Georgia, Oregon, Ohio State, Miami, Iowa State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Boise State/Navy/Army, Indiana, Alabama, Tennessee would all get in ahead of us. Maybe Pitt and Texas A&M too.
Texas, Georgia, Oregon, Ohio State, Miami, Iowa State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Boise State/Navy/Army, Indiana, Alabama, Tennessee would all get in ahead of us. Maybe Pitt and Texas A&M too.
The 5 highest-ranked conference champs get automatic bids, the top 4 get the byes, and the fifth gets seeded based on its ranking.
PSU really needs USC to beat ND.
It would also help if Michigan & OSU both beat Indiana.
Penn state just needs to win. With the exception of this week they will be greater then td favorites in all remaining games.
It's not negativity to see 2 losses in the last 5 games as affecting our ability to make the playoff. It's just normal cognitive functioning.
Again, there are WAY too many variables at this point to definitively state we will or we won't ... unless you're an illogical LandoLogic extremist ... but in various scenarios, we look to be in bad shape compared to at least 12 other teams. These teams, in these scenarios, either have a better resume, an even better pedigree/view of their program by the decision makers ... or both. We could be ranked in the mid-teens with a loss against Minny, following a convincing loss against the Buckeyes ... because we don't have any good wins, and we have recent losses (recency bias is a thing), including a bad loss, in that scenario.
We're 4 or 5 games from the end of the regular season, with tons of competitive conference games still in play across the nation (so, basically half/more-than-half of the conference games scheduled left to play) ... it's tough to say that we need anything specific at this point, but there are plenty of things that may or may not be helpful to us.
But, this, again, only matters if we lose a second game ... and I don't see that happening. I think it's more likely we lose 0 games than we lose 2.
Penn State's Drew Allar present at Wednesday practice
Penn State starting quarterback Drew Allar was present at Wednesday's practice.
On no planet is predicting a loss to Minnesota "normal cognitive functioning".
We are 6-2 against them over the past 20 years. And this year they are a few plays away from being 3-5. This is just drama for the sake of drama!
I wonder what kind of robo-setup he has going on underneath those sweatpants. Wait, that didn't sound quite right ... his knee ... I'm only talking about his knee ...
I didn't say predicting a loss to Minnesota is normal cognitive functioning. I said, given the hypothetical situation of 2 losses, it's normal cognitive functioning to predict that would have an impact on our likelihood of making the playoffs.
It is drama for the sake of drama.
Some of these guys were worried about the outcomes of non-PSU games in weeks 1 and 2 as seriously affecting our playoff odds and seeding, when there was so little clue, at that point, as to who would even make the playoffs ... it was just looking for things to fret about. Pure boredom.
Let's be clear, it pains me to be even be thinking about a 2 loss Penn State scenario. I don't think it happens. However, if that comes to light I just gave you one scenario where we are out of the playoff. Thinking we are a lock with two losses is not correct.
Do a lot of things have to go the wrong way for us, starting with us losing to the likes of a Minny? Yes but it all could happen.
The biggest competition comes from the ACC sneaking two in. We need either Clemson or Miami to get 2 losses or Miami just runs the table. And for the love of God give Pitt at least a loss.
Next it would be nice if Tenn got a 3rd loss or Bama or A&M.
Indiana and ND losing a second game.
It's not though--especially if Allar misses time or is deemed less than 100%
There's 6 teams that are locks with 2 losses or less. They are...Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State, Texas, Georgia and Bama. If I'm wrong let me know.
I still believe the majority of you are so focused on the past you're not dealing with how the current playoff is going to work.
We disagree that we're out in that scenario. I'm not worried about the ACC getting two teams. Even with that I'm comfortable. And the only way that happens is if Miami doesn't win the ACC after going 12-0.
We'll see--I've been wrong before and will be again but for us (or the other 5 I've mentioned) to be left out I truly believe they have to lose 3 games regardless of what else happens. I think that will be clear next Tuesday
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From what I'm seeing, he looks mobile enough, but his throws are higher than usual.
Yeah he's high...can't play him if he doesn't fix that over the next couple days because that will lead to turnovers
He won’t start from looking at these. Barely moves back, doesn’t step into throws or throw hard. Slight chance he comes in if Beau stinks or goes down.
Felt all along he wouldn’t play. Last week there was no doubt he was out second half, indicating a fairly serious issue. He didn’t even try throwing on sidelines during 3rd qtr that I could see.
Wouldn’t be surprised that they had him do these throws knowing he won’t play but keep the team to the west guessing.
He may not even play next week.
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Could be psyops
This discussion about 2 lose scenarios really highlights how the playoff ruins weekends like this. This hyped up PSU/OSU game is just that...hype. Not nearly the huge game it would have been in the past. Sucks.
Yeah, that's crazy to me--look at how many more games actually have meaning and this still matters in terms of seedings.
A handful of games might lose some importance while dozens gain importance.
ND's season would have been over after the NIU game but every game since then has matters
Bama wouldn't have a meaningful game on their schedule remaining
All games matter. The magnatude just isn't there.
There always was a playoff in college football. It was called the regular season.
Completely disagree--as was proven by 1994 or FSU being undefeated and left out last year. Or the G5 teams that ran the table but never had a chance.
Games that used to have absolutely no real meaning now do
Penn State-Ohio State is still a huge game.
People just dislike change. Watch the playoff ratings and watch it continue to expand. Embrace the change.
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How? G5 was still out and you can easily have more then 2 teams worthy
This is the closest thing we've had to a real playoff and it will only get better as it expands
You realize in your scenario most teams never had any chance to play for a title before the season began, right?
Drew is elite when his footwork is good but those videos don't inspire confidence. He's clearly not close to 100% and I don't think he should be playing until he is. With that being said, I think that they'll start him. Hopefully the risk pays off and he doesn't get beat up too badly. Maybe the adrenaline will keep him comfortable enough to be effective.
No I think Drew wants to play, Franklin wants Drew to play, AK wants Drew to play and we're doing everything humanly possibly that make that want a reality.
I don't like the body language even in the dive clip but, to your point, we're speculating on a few seconds (maybe minutes) of video.
I'm arguably Drew's biggest defender here. He's elite. He's special. We need him to win a title. We just don't have to beat Ohio State to win that title and I wouldn't play him unless he's damn near close to 100% for his own good as well as the best interest of the team.
Seeing Texas rushing Ewers (or maybe Ewers rushing himself because of the success of Arch) makes me feel stronger about this. I think that hurt Texas the past two games.
Last year, I play him but with a 12 team playoff you have to be strategic. What's best for everyone?
If he's ready great but don't rush him.
He takes a couple baby steps back, doesn’t even go four yards. And straight back with absolutely zero lateral movement to strain that knee. And doesn’t throw off if it.
He is either really good at faking it to fool that team west of us or no way he plays.
They are also a questionable call vs Michigan away from being 6-2.
I certainly don't predict that PSU will lose to Minnesota but the game isn't a gimme.
Franklin will start the players (Allar, Donkoh, Sutton) who he thinks give him the best chance to win on Saturday unless he believes he believes that he's putting the season at risk. He desperately wants to get the OSU monkey off his back.
P.S. The 15 minutes of Allar jogging and jumping onto a mat are 100% meaningless other than to let us know that he isn't in the hospital undergoing surgery.
P.S. The 15 minutes of Allar jogging and jumping onto a mat are 100% meaningless other than to let us know that he isn't in the hospital undergoing surgery.
We're supposed to win that
We're ranked 3rd (even if we lose 6th) playing a team that has significantly less talent
We all know upsets happen but losing to Minnesota would truly be unacceptable.
They aren't meaningless. You didn't see even that much from Dennis-Sutton, because he was not even dressed.
