Match Notes for Reno TOC

[Tom McAndrew]

courtesy of GoPSUsports.com

the Notes do not give a definite list of the 15 that will be going to Reno.

to access the Notes, CLICK HERE

 

[dunkej01]

let the bodies hit the floor.....

interested to see where the falls O/U is set with this field.

 

[RoarLions1]

let the bodies hit the floor.....

interested to see where the falls O/U is set with this field.

A little early, does 23.5 sound too high ?

 

[dunkej01]

A little early, does 23.5 sound too high ?

Sounds crazy at > 2 falls per starter but thinking about it, probably not w this crew and this field.

 

[RoarLions1]

Sounds crazy at > 2 falls per starter but thinking about it, probably not w this crew and this field.

I was using all 15 of our guys. The premature part is that we don't have firm names for everyone that's going...so I guessed a little based on what I know.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Oklahoma State just put out their list of guys going to Reno...Zac Gentzler (125), Eli Hale (125), Lincoln Lemon (133), Lincoln Olson (133), Tristan Moran (141), Boo Lewallen (141), Jonce Blaylock (149), Geo Martinez (149-unattached), Davey Dolan (157), Dalton Moran (157), Wyatt Sheets (157-unattached), Hestin Lamons (165), Jordan Rogers (174), Derek White (197), and Tanner Allen (285)

 

[LemonPie]

No Jacobe Smith. Jordan Rogers hasn't wrestled this year, but hopefully offers good competition. Wasn't all that great the last time he was at 174. No Andrew Marsden so 184 is that much thinner. This tournament getting worse and worse.

Nice to see Boo Lewallen getting on the mat.

 

[saeed]

Zain - Jordan would be a good match.
An exhibition for publicity.

 

[Abro1975]

Seems like without the Ok St starting 'A' team , the only other ranked teams at Reno will be 6 Missouri and 14 Stanford (Intermat tourny rankings).
Penn St should cruise with numerous champs and lot of medalists.
Last years Southern Scuffle a lot more formidable tourny I would think.

 

[LemonPie]

Seems like without the Ok St starting 'A' team , the only other ranked teams at Reno will be 6 Missouri and 14 Stanford (Intermat tourny rankings).
Penn St should cruise with numerous champs and lot of medalists.
Last years Southern Scuffle a lot more formidable tourny I would think.

Missouri is also a B team

 

[jtothemfp]

Ugh.

Welp, guess it's time to focus on the HS portion of this event. Let's hope it unearths at least one useful recruit.

MissU Scuffle!

 

[pabison]

Oklahoma State just put out their list of guys going to Reno...Zac Gentzler (125), Eli Hale (125), Lincoln Lemon (133), Lincoln Olson (133), Tristan Moran (141), Boo Lewallen (141), Jonce Blaylock (149), Geo Martinez (149-unattached), Davey Dolan (157), Dalton Moran (157), Wyatt Sheets (157-unattached), Hestin Lamons (165), Jordan Rogers (174), Derek White (197), and Tanner Allen (285)

Nothing like dodging the competition to help with seeding come tournament time.

 

[LemonPie]

Nothing like dodging the competition to help with seeding come tournament time.

Huh? They will be at the Scuffle. Glass houses.

 

[Sean Harp]

Ugh.

Welp, guess it's time to focus on the HS portion of this event. Let's hope it unearths at least one useful recruit.

MissU Scuffle!

Even the HS entries are underwhelming. Pre-seeds:
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/49513-reno-toc-pre-seeds

Compare those to Beast of the East:
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/49507-beast-of-the-east-seeds-released

Not that I expected Reno to be on par but thought it would be a little closer.

 

[mcruny42]

I obviously trust Cael and crew but from a fans perspective I'm much less excited about this than I've been for the Scuffle. Hopefully, the boys will use these opportunities to start getting a feel for wrestling multiple matches in a day then use the break to refresh and be ready to hit the ground running come January.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

mcruny, my only concern is this: Penn State's first back-to-back weigh-in will be Big Ten's. I'm obviously neutral, but I'll happily constructively criticize (and praise) anybody. (Somewhere in the archives on Flo, there's a 2011 press conference with John Smith where a guy with a raspy voice and grey sweats asked him the identical question at the top of this post (except that the first back-to-back weigh-ins were the Thursday-Friday of NCAA's, asking if that concerned him), he kind of dodged the question during the press conference, but that was the year Jamal Parks failed to place at Nationals despite being unbeaten coming in, the team finished a nearly-inexplicable (given the team they had, even with Gelogaev injured) sixth, and it was the next season Oklahoma State started going to the Scuffle.

At any rate, I'm on the plane to (conveniently for this topic) Oklahoma State tonight, and then I'll see the (really) Penn State faithful on Sunday in Reno.

 

[Cowbell Man]

I obviously trust Cael and crew but from a fans perspective I'm much less excited about this than I've been for the Scuffle. Hopefully, the boys will use these opportunities to start getting a feel for wrestling multiple matches in a day then use the break to refresh and be ready to hit the ground running come January.

Safe bet Cael expected the entered teams to send their real ones.

 

[El-Jefe]

Even the HS entries are underwhelming. Pre-seeds:
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/49513-reno-toc-pre-seeds

Compare those to Beast of the East:
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/49507-beast-of-the-east-seeds-released

Not that I expected Reno to be on par but thought it would be a little closer.

I thought King of the Mountain also looked tougher than Reno HS TOC:
http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/17231

But that was before seeing Cohlton Shultz as the #3 seed at Reno.

 

[LemonPie]

I obviously trust Cael and crew but from a fans perspective I'm much less excited about this than I've been for the Scuffle. Hopefully, the boys will use these opportunities to start getting a feel for wrestling multiple matches in a day then use the break to refresh and be ready to hit the ground running come January.

Isn't it sad we have to preface our perceivably critical opinions with "I obviously trust Cael"? I find myself doing this too out of fear of offending some irrational homer. But this should go without saying. Cael is a nice guy. He's funny and laid back. He' s not a Kim Jong-Un. We can still have critical opinions, and Cael can still be the best coach in the country.

Let's not go overboard with "Trust in Cael" adage. He's won 5 of 6. None of us have. That's universally understood. He's inherently trusted. We can have meaningful discussions about the team, coaches, or individuals-- critical or otherwise-- that don't necessarily disrupt that trust.

 

[jtothemfp]

Isn't it sad we have to preface our opinions with "I obviously trust Cael"? I find myself doing this too out of fear of offending some irrational homer. But this should go without saying. Cael is a nice guy. He's funny and laid back. He' s not a Kim Jong-Un. We can still have critical opinions, and Cael can still be the best coach in the country.

Apropos of nothing, I became your third follower yesterday.

I feel Elite.

 

[a_mshaffer]

Isn't it sad we have to preface our opinions with "I obviously trust Cael"? I find myself doing this too out of fear of offending some irrational homer. But this should go without saying. Cael is a nice guy. He's funny and laid back. He' s not a Kim Jong-Un. We can still have critical opinions, and Cael can still be the best coach in the country.

yep. looks like they needed to find an alternative to the scuffle and did the best they could... Glad they will be back to the scuffle next year...

 

[diggerpup]

It's more fun (and easier) to blame the Big Ten for screwing up PSU's schedule.

A few days after the holiday, and PSU has to go to Minnesota and Nebraska.

I'm fact, PSU has 4 road conference duals in January. Four on the road.

That's a little excessive.

At Minnesota
At Nebraska (same weekend)
At Iowa
At Wisconsin

If you tossed the Scuffle in there, that's a ton of traveling for January.

The Big Ten fubar'd the schedule. Why are other B1G teams already having conference duals in December and not PSU ? But they overload January for PSU.

It's goofy.

 

[nitlion6]

Safe bet Cael expected the entered teams to send their real ones.

To conclude Cael/Cody and Casey scheduled Reno probably assuming other teams would send their starters is a big "I doubt it." To get to that conclusion you would have to assume the staff was unaware that generally speaking the better programs have not been sending their starters. That assumption would be incorrect.

The schedule is what it is, not what everybody would like.

Here is hoping everybody stays healthy and they all wrestle a good tournament.

 

[RoarLions1]

It's more fun (and easier) to blame the Big Ten for screwing up PSU's schedule.

A few days after the holiday, and PSU has to go to Minnesota and Nebraska.

I'm fact, PSU has 4 road conference duals in January. Four on the road.

That's a little excessive.

At Minnesota
At Nebraska (same weekend)
At Iowa
At Wisconsin

If you tossed the Scuffle in there, that's a ton of traveling for January.

The Big Ten fubar'd the schedule. Why are other B1G teams already having conference duals in December and not PSU ? But they overload January for PSU.

It's goofy.

Goofy? Yes. Unprecedented? No. Does look a little odd, till we look at history, and the challenges of scheduling...

I believe the B1G would schedule all Conference Duals after the Holidays if they were able. There's only 6 weekends in January/February to get in 9 conference duals for all 14 teams. It's logistically impossible. When the B1G went to 14 teams, and added the 1 extra conference dual, an inevitable outcome was even more November/December Conference Duals (they were not uncommon before the 9th dual was added). In fact, Penn State has had 1 conference dual before the New Year every year since 2009-10, but none in 2016-17.

This year is different, true, but other oddities occur too...which can be chalked up to happenstance. As examples of some of this years and past years scheduling oddities;
In 2016-17, only 2 teams have no Conference Duals prior to the Holidays (PSU & Illinois).
Only 1 team has no duals the first weekend in January (6-8), Indiana.
5 teams have 2 matches the first week of January.
2 teams had 2 Conference Duals before the Holidays (Minny & MSU).

Several years ago, Wisconsin and Nebraska (I believe that's correct) did not wrestle Iowa, Minnesota, Penn State or Ohio State, but did wrestle every other B1G team. Think about that for a second!