Maximum Potential Points
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Awesome post! I was trying to do this in my head last night after the session. We had everything for the most part go our way last night! I thought OSU might come away with only two wins last night, thanks to the wrestlers who beat them. Another big day ahead. We are...
That's a lot closer than I thought. Ignoring bonus, the OSU thirds alone are enough to beat 2 champs.
Yes, we still need some OSU wrestlers to loose today in consulations. We need 4 out of 5 tonight, Censo is going to have a rough time with Imar I think.
There are A LOT of OSU points waiting to be claimed this am and if they recover from the beating yesterday....we may not win no matter what we do. We need some help from the other teams and wrestlers.
I see it this way. PSU within 12.5 heading into the finals and they will pull it off. I believe Hall will beat ZV because Mark Hall is about as money as money gets with everything on the line. I think Zain will bonus, Nolf will win controlled, Bo will win. One of the 3 of a Hall win, a Cenzo win, or a Snyder loss will happen. There is plenty of Magic in this group of wrestlers- it is a fool who doubts these guys.
Uh, osu now has fewer max points than we do. Max points tells you potential but don’t use it to predict. It assumes pinning out and is not predictive.
This. PSWC has the best team scoring info anywhere, really--they had BoJo's MFF win up before ESPN or Byers knew about it.
Related: I'm so SO glad for Rasheed's Major and Conel, so that wasn't as big as it would have been......
Team Points -
Maximum Potential Points
Ohio State 130.5 - 142.5
Penn State 124.5 - 154.5
https://www.pennstatewrestlingclub.org/content/tournament_team_score.php?id=20&type=team
Maximum Potential Points
Ohio State 130.5 - 142.5
Penn State 124.5 - 154.5
https://www.pennstatewrestlingclub.org/content/tournament_team_score.php?id=20&type=team
So we could be looking at a possible tie right? Is it co-champs in that case?
Zain win +3
Nolf win +3
Now tied with OSU.
If Hall and Cenzo were to lose and let’s say Nickal wins +3 and Snyder wins +3.
There are a few other combinations that could be similar which could end in tie.
If Zain can get a pin or Tech its ALOT easier path that’s for damn sure. I love the way Hall and Nickal wrestling and I think Nolf looks 90% which is enough to feel great. And while Imar has been an animal I just can’t doubt something deep inside Cenzo to pull this out.
Let’s go 5 for 5 two years in a road, now that’s record setting!
Zain win +3
Nolf win +3
Now tied with OSU.
If Hall and Cenzo were to lose and let’s say Nickal wins +3 and Snyder wins +3.
There are a few other combinations that could be similar which could end in tie.
If Zain can get a pin or Tech its ALOT easier path that’s for damn sure. I love the way Hall and Nickal wrestling and I think Nolf looks 90% which is enough to feel great. And while Imar has been an animal I just can’t doubt something deep inside Cenzo to pull this out.
Let’s go 5 for 5 two years in a road, now that’s record setting!
Ah ok. I was trying to find it but had thought it went typical 3/4/5/6. So what’s the points for major, tech? Know fall 6.
Defaults need to be changed to decision level status. Never understood the maximum points given for nothing.
How many team points did the Bucks get thru default? 12?
It will be a shame if that is the difference.
How many team points did the Bucks get thru default? 12?
It will be a shame if that is the difference.
Max for default is an absolute must. Otherwise whoever is facing a major or worse would just default out and save giving up the points.
Not in a tournament setting. I understand the dual impact and I’m OK with that as you state. But it’s impact should be lessened in a tournament format.
Imagine the following scenario. Two teams are battling in a tough dual meet. It gets to the final bout and Team A is leading Team B by four points. The problem for Team A is they are very weak in that weight class while Team B has a monster who has pinned 90% of his opponents. If default points were only awarded at decision level status Team A could claim their guy twisted his knee during warm-ups and steal the dual. Giving max points would force Team A to compete. A similar scenario could play out in a tournament as well.
I agree it doesn't seem right at times but it's the only way to ensure coaches don't game the system. And some would definitely try.
The same philosophy applies. Consider tonight's finals. What if Penn State had an 11 point lead going into the 184 bout. And what if Nickal tweaked a knee and wasn't his usual strong self. He could go if he had to but the injury was such that a win would be a struggle. An unscrupulous coach would mail in the medical forfeit, give the four points and clinch the team title. Giving up the six would force the team to compete.
I agree it doesn't seem fair sometimes but the tournament directors have to apply the rule consistently and can't make a decision based upon whether it's detrimental to one team or another.
