2024-25 Season Returning Points

[wrestleknownothing]

With the new season around the corner, and transfer activity done (?), I thought I would take a look at returning team points. To make the graphics more legible I only include teams with double digit returning points.

• Let's start with the obvious. PSU returns the most points.

Now let's look at some details.

• There were 1,437.5 points scored by 62 teams at last year's tournament. Of those 1,066.5 return (74.2%).

• So, at 77% returning (133 of 172.5), PSU is pretty much on average.

But where are those points coming from?

• Some are returning to the same team and some are transferring. Below is the breakdown.

Splashing cash gets results (or at least returning points).

• Iowa led all teams in total points acquired through the transfer portal. And good for them. I say pay the men.
• Oklahoma State is the other obvious big player in the transfer/NIL world. Given how close to the season their coaching change occurred, they may have been crunched for time. I would not be surprised to see them lead this rank next year.

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[Psalm 1 guy]

With the new season around the corner, and transfer activity done (?), I thought I would take a look at returning team points. To make the graphics more legible I only include teams with double digit returning points.

• Let's start with the obvious. PSU returns the most points.

Now let's look at some details.

• There were 1,437.5 points scored by 62 teams at last year's tournament. Of those 1,066.5 return (74.2%).

• So, at 77% returning (133 of 172.5), PSU is pretty much on average.

But where are those points coming from?

• Some are returning to the same team and some are transferring. Below is the breakdown.

Splashing cash gets results (or at least returning points).

• Iowa led all teams in total points acquired through the transfer portal. And good for them. I say pay the men.
• Oklahoma State is the other obvious big player in the transfer/NIL world. Given how close to the season their coaching change occurred, they may have been crunched for time. I would not be surprised to see them lead this rank next year.

(Moderator's comment: Welcome to our Board, Wrestleknownothing. For a brand new user, you sure have started things off with a bang. PS - your first image appears to be broken.)

Wrestleknownothing, welcome to our Board! You have much to look forward to: ever-increasing hours spent here to the consternation of your significant other, deciphering the inside jokes, finding out who Lisa Morales is, finding the proper balance between Iowa snark and Penn State adoration, why appropriate paragraph breaks are your friend, how to properly post so the Moderator doesn't have to fix your errors, remembering to turn off your Caps Lock, how to increase your messages-to-likes ratio through brown-nosing posts and feigned adoration for the regular posters here, how the Ignore feature can be your friend, and how to not drone on and on in your posts . . . oops, I'm outta' here!

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

With the new season around the corner, and transfer activity done (?), I thought I would take a look at returning team points. To make the graphics more legible I only include teams with double digit returning points.

• Let's start with the obvious. PSU returns the most points.

Now let's look at some details.

• There were 1,437.5 points scored by 62 teams at last year's tournament. Of those 1,066.5 return (74.2%).

• So, at 77% returning (133 of 172.5), PSU is pretty much on average.

But where are those points coming from?

• Some are returning to the same team and some are transferring. Below is the breakdown.

Splashing cash gets results (or at least returning points).

• Iowa led all teams in total points acquired through the transfer portal. And good for them. I say pay the men.
• Oklahoma State is the other obvious big player in the transfer/NIL world. Given how close to the season their coaching change occurred, they may have been crunched for time. I would not be surprised to see them lead this rank next year.

(Moderator's comment: Welcome to our Board, Wrestleknownothing. For a brand new user, you sure have started things off with a bang. PS - your first image appears to be broken.)

Having 133 returning points is just silly impressive! I wonder if that is the record or if some of those Dan Gable-era Iowa teams had more returning points? Thanks for all your hard work on this. P.S., if you are willing, it would be great to have you comment in the "tell us a little about yourself" thread I just bumped. Perusing that thread is also a great way to get to quickly know some of the regular posters here.

 

[doubleboots]

I MISS ALL CAPS!!@

 

[orange nole]

With the new season around the corner, and transfer activity done (?), I thought I would take a look at returning team points. To make the graphics more legible I only include teams with double digit returning points.

• Let's start with the obvious. PSU returns the most points.

Now let's look at some details.

• There were 1,437.5 points scored by 62 teams at last year's tournament. Of those 1,066.5 return (74.2%).

• So, at 77% returning (133 of 172.5), PSU is pretty much on average.

But where are those points coming from?

• Some are returning to the same team and some are transferring. Below is the breakdown.

Splashing cash gets results (or at least returning points).

• Iowa led all teams in total points acquired through the transfer portal. And good for them. I say pay the men.
• Oklahoma State is the other obvious big player in the transfer/NIL world. Given how close to the season their coaching change occurred, they may have been crunched for time. I would not be surprised to see them lead this rank next year.

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TheMat/Intermat legend has cometh

 

[Cali_Nittany]

With the new season around the corner, and transfer activity done (?), I thought I would take a look at returning team points. To make the graphics more legible I only include teams with double digit returning points.

• Let's start with the obvious. PSU returns the most points.

Now let's look at some details.

• There were 1,437.5 points scored by 62 teams at last year's tournament. Of those 1,066.5 return (74.2%).

• So, at 77% returning (133 of 172.5), PSU is pretty much on average.

But where are those points coming from?

• Some are returning to the same team and some are transferring. Below is the breakdown.

Splashing cash gets results (or at least returning points).

• Iowa led all teams in total points acquired through the transfer portal. And good for them. I say pay the men.
• Oklahoma State is the other obvious big player in the transfer/NIL world. Given how close to the season their coaching change occurred, they may have been crunched for time. I would not be surprised to see them lead this rank next year.

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Great work! I especially like the bar chart showing the returning points from each school.

 

[tullfan68]

I MISS ALL CAPS!!@

oh for the good old days!

 

[GogglesPaizano]

I MISS ALL CAPS!!@

No worries. You can find plenty over on the beacon.

 

[wrestleknownothing]

Mod: I am not sure what happened to the first table, but I have tried to post it here since without any success. The site seems to no longer allow me to do that. Perhaps I have exceeded a size limit?

Anyway, I have been posting random stuff on Intermat (and TheMat before that) for a few years now. Lately, though, the ad experience over there has been painful. So I thought I would experiment with posting over here instead (this post is a copy of a post I put up over there).

I have been a long time lurker here, but only recently created an account. I think I get the vibe and even some of the inside jokes. But your patience is appreciated. I have been a vocal Penn State fan for some time, but not an Iowa hater (sorry). I just go where the data takes me. But then my father always said figures never lie, but a liar always figures. So, you be the judge.

 

[7brwnpsu]

Reading your bio, (other thread, his dad had a foot fetish and liked French cooking) you have come a long way. Just Evil!

Thanks for your work!

 

[doubleboots]

No worries. You can find plenty over on the beacon.

Maybe we can make a trade. You for ALL CAPS

 

[psumacw]

love the analysis. you did a great job here.

my first reaction was "why isn't the number of scoring wrestlers divisible by 10?" i think i figured it out but wanted some outside confirmation that my theory checks out.

for each weight, 16 people win the first round and 8 people win the consi first round for a minimu for 24 scoring wrestlers. but there's a pigtail before the first round and a consi pigtail before the consi first round. the winners of these matches score points too, which brings us up to a possible 26 wrestlers that score points.

HOWEVER, some of these people could be repeats. if the #1 seed gets hurt in his first match and injury defaults to 0-2, then we would sort of 'lose' the extra scoring wrestler from that part of the bracket. for 2024, none of the #1 seeds scored zero, so we still have at most 26 scorers but our minimum bumped up to 25 scoring per weight.

here's where i need some confirmation. i think the same logic applies for the consi pigtail too. if that winner beats whoever they wrestle in the consi first round, then the loser of that match goes 0-2, we 'lose' that extra scoring wrestler, and we're down to 25. so i guess what i'm asking is: did the winner of the consi pigtail go on to win their next match 7 out of 10 times in 2024 to get us to 7 weights with 25 scoring wrestlers and 3 weights with 26?

 

[wrestleknownothing]

love the analysis. you did a great job here.

my first reaction was "why isn't the number of scoring wrestlers divisible by 10?" i think i figured it out but wanted some outside confirmation that my theory checks out.

for each weight, 16 people win the first round and 8 people win the consi first round for a minimu for 24 scoring wrestlers. but there's a pigtail before the first round and a consi pigtail before the consi first round. the winners of these matches score points too, which brings us up to a possible 26 wrestlers that score points.

HOWEVER, some of these people could be repeats. if the #1 seed gets hurt in his first match and injury defaults to 0-2, then we would sort of 'lose' the extra scoring wrestler from that part of the bracket. for 2024, none of the #1 seeds scored zero, so we still have at most 26 scorers but our minimum bumped up to 25 scoring per weight.

here's where i need some confirmation. i think the same logic applies for the consi pigtail too. if that winner beats whoever they wrestle in the consi first round, then the loser of that match goes 0-2, we 'lose' that extra scoring wrestler, and we're down to 25. so i guess what i'm asking is: did the winner of the consi pigtail go on to win their next match 7 out of 10 times in 2024 to get us to 7 weights with 25 scoring wrestlers and 3 weights with 26?

You are very close to correct. But the issue is not injury.

The winner of the championship pigtail usually loses in the first round of the championship bracket. So they enter the consol bracket having already scored points. If they win in the first consol round then they effectively replace a wrestler who would have otherwise scored points. So you only have 7 new scoring wrestlers emerging from the first consol round. That gets us down to 25 scoring wrestlers in that weight.

Something similar happens with the consol pigtail. If the winner of the consol pigtail goes on to win in the first consol round then he also replaces a wrestler who would have otherwise scored. Now you only have 6 new scoring wrestlers emerging from the first consol round. That gets us down to 24 scoring wrestlers.

So any bracket can have 24, 25, or 26 scoring wrestlers.

From year to year the number of scoring wrestlers is variable, as a result. There were 253 in 2024 and 2023, 255 in 2022, and 252 in 2021.

 

[psumacw]

You are very close to correct. But the issue is not injury.

The winner of the championship pigtail usually loses in the first round of the championship bracket. So they enter the consol bracket having already scored points. If they win in the first consol round then they effectively replace a wrestler who would have otherwise scored points. So you only have 7 new scoring wrestlers emerging from the first consol round. That gets us down to 25 scoring wrestlers in that weight.

Something similar happens with the consol pigtail. If the winner of the consol pigtail goes on to win in the first consol round then he also replaces a wrestler who would have otherwise scored. Now you only have 6 new scoring wrestlers emerging from the first consol round. That gets us down to 24 scoring wrestlers.

So any bracket can have 24, 25, or 26 scoring wrestlers.

From year to year the number of scoring wrestlers is variable, as a result. There were 253 in 2024 and 2023, 255 in 2022, and 252 in 2021.

cool, i think we're on the same page. you get fewer scorers if the winner of the pigtails (champ and consi) wins additional matches. the winner of the champ pigtail has faced the #1 seed for the past few years and i can't recall an instance of the #1 losing to the pigtail winner, so the difference would come from the consi pigtail winner advancing. it seems like that is happening 2/3 of the time which could make sense if the consi pigtail is the loser of the 32/33 match vs the loser of the 16/17 (i can probably look this up, but my motivation is fleeting).

 

[wrestleknownothing]

cool, i think we're on the same page. you get fewer scorers if the winner of the pigtails (champ and consi) wins additional matches. the winner of the champ pigtail has faced the #1 seed for the past few years and i can't recall an instance of the #1 losing to the pigtail winner, so the difference would come from the consi pigtail winner advancing. it seems like that is happening 2/3 of the time which could make sense if the consi pigtail is the loser of the 32/33 match vs the loser of the 16/17 (i can probably look this up, but my motivation is fleeting).

Re-read my second paragraph above. The difference also comes from this guy, if he also wins the first round of the consi.

So it does not require the consi pigtail winner to win 2/3 of the time. As a matter of fact, in 2024 the consi pigtail winner only won twice in the first round of the consi. The others came from champ pigtail winners also winning in the first round of the consi, and as a special added bonus, there were no pigtails in 141 last year as only 32 wrestlers made weight (at least I think it was a weigh-in issue).

 

[Cali_Nittany]

cool, i think we're on the same page. you get fewer scorers if the winner of the pigtails (champ and consi) wins additional matches. the winner of the champ pigtail has faced the #1 seed for the past few years and i can't recall an instance of the #1 losing to the pigtail winner, so the difference would come from the consi pigtail winner advancing. it seems like that is happening 2/3 of the time which could make sense if the consi pigtail is the loser of the 32/33 match vs the loser of the 16/17 (i can probably look this up, but my motivation is fleeting).

@wrestleknownothing

The data at the link below can be sorted to find scoring wrestlers per year back to 2007. I'm working on posting data back to 1997 soon.

Keep in mind the #1 seed didn't always face the pigtail winner until beginning in 2019 when seeding all 33 wrestlers per bracket began. Also, 33 wrestlers per bracket started in 2009. Before that, some brackets had multiple pigtails, no pigtails or had byes in the first round. And pigtails used to be random with seeded wrestlers occasionally having them.

Here's a big NCAA tournament data drop. What's included:

Database: The raw data with all of the wrestler info, weights, seeds, results, points, etc from 2007 to present
Info: Explanation of the stat categories, sources, data collection and known issues
Pivot: Sortable data across categories
Team sheets: Currently team sheets for Penn State, Iowa, OkState, aOSU, Cornell and Minnesota. The first table in each can be changed from the pull down menu for different stats.


LINK

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

You are very close to correct. But the issue is not injury.

The winner of the championship pigtail usually loses in the first round of the championship bracket. So they enter the consol bracket having already scored points. If they win in the first consol round then they effectively replace a wrestler who would have otherwise scored points. So you only have 7 new scoring wrestlers emerging from the first consol round. That gets us down to 25 scoring wrestlers in that weight.

Something similar happens with the consol pigtail. If the winner of the consol pigtail goes on to win in the first consol round then he also replaces a wrestler who would have otherwise scored. Now you only have 6 new scoring wrestlers emerging from the first consol round. That gets us down to 24 scoring wrestlers.

So any bracket can have 24, 25, or 26 scoring wrestlers.

From year to year the number of scoring wrestlers is variable, as a result. There were 253 in 2024 and 2023, 255 in 2022, and 252 in 2021.

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[wrestleknownothing]

@wrestleknownothing

The data at the link below can be sorted to find scoring wrestlers per year back to 2007. I'm working on posting data back to 1997 soon.

Keep in mind the #1 seed didn't always face the pigtail winner until beginning in 2019 when seeding all 33 wrestlers per bracket began. Also, 33 wrestlers per bracket started in 2009. Before that, some brackets had multiple pigtails, no pigtails or had byes in the first round. And pigtails used to be random with seeded wrestlers occasionally having them.

Thank you. I have a lot of this data already thanks to an Intermat poster, though the structure is very different. If you do not object I can build some visuals off of your data structure, too.

I have spent a lot of time going over the history, from 1928 to present, of college wrestling. Perhaps I should post some of my illustrations here (like my way of breaking down the eras, or comparing coaches across eras, or expected scoring by seed, etc.), but it seems I am no longer able to paste my Tableau and Excel images.

If there is a way to get in touch directly with a moderator to figure out if I am the problem, I would appreciate any help you can offer.


(Moderator response - it appears your posted images are also broken on Intermat (different than Rivals). You'll either have to use the existing site tools or contact Rivals support via https://n.rivals.com/news/contact-us-5)

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Thank you. I have a lot of this data already thanks to an Intermat poster, though the structure is very different. If you do not object I can build some visuals off of your data structure, too.

I have spent a lot of time going over the history, from 1928 to present, of college wrestling. Perhaps I should post some of my illustrations here (like my way of breaking down the eras, or comparing coaches across eras, or expected scoring by seed, etc.), but it seems I am no longer able to paste my Tableau and Excel images.

If there is a way to get in touch directly with a moderator to figure out if I am the problem, I would appreciate any help you can offer.


(Moderator response - it appears your posted images are also broken on Intermat (different than Rivals). You'll either have to use the existing site tools or contact Rivals support via https://n.rivals.com/news/contact-us-5)

No need for permission. The data is meant to be used. Would you happen to have team penalty point info for NCAA tournaments?

 

[psumacw]

Re-read my second paragraph above. The difference also comes from this guy, if he also wins the first round of the consi.

So it does not require the consi pigtail winner to win 2/3 of the time. As a matter of fact, in 2024 the consi pigtail winner only won twice in the first round of the consi. The others came from champ pigtail winners also winning in the first round of the consi, and as a special added bonus, there were no pigtails in 141 last year as only 32 wrestlers made weight (at least I think it was a weigh-in issue).

ok, i got it now. for some reason i was forgetting that the champ pigtail winner would go back to the first round of consi after he loses to the #1, causing there to be a second matchup in that round that could result in a non-scoring wrestler. thank you for being patient.

(just informational since i looked it up, the champ pigtail loser wrestles the loser of the 3/30 matchup in the consi pigtail, and the winner of that wrestles the loser of the 14/19 matchup in the consi first round. the consi winner wrestles the 1 and the loser of that wrestles the loser of 16/17 in the consi first round.)

 

[wrestleknownothing]

No need for permission. The data is meant to be used. Would you happen to have team penalty point info for NCAA tournaments?

Thanks.

I do not have team penalty points directly. And attempting to recreate them can be challenging. For example, when I worked on re-scoring the 1997 Iowa record total I thought there must be some team point deductions that I am missing. Instead I found that there was an error in the bracket posted by wrestlingstats.com. And it is still there today.

 

[wrestleknownothing]

Moderator:

Thanks for the Rivals contact. Unfortunately they are telling me that I need to pay for a premium subscription to post things (not sure how that first one got past the keeper), and I am not interested in doing that.

So this was a noble, but failed, experiment. I will probably post some comments, but not too often given the limitations and my addiction to making pictures from data. I find data tables to be hard on the eye. Oh, well.

 

[PSU Fan in TN]

With the new season around the corner, and transfer activity done (?), I thought I would take a look at returning team points. To make the graphics more legible I only include teams with double digit returning points.

• Let's start with the obvious. PSU returns the most points.

Now let's look at some details.

• There were 1,437.5 points scored by 62 teams at last year's tournament. Of those 1,066.5 return (74.2%).

• So, at 77% returning (133 of 172.5), PSU is pretty much on average.

But where are those points coming from?

• Some are returning to the same team and some are transferring. Below is the breakdown.

Splashing cash gets results (or at least returning points).

• Iowa led all teams in total points acquired through the transfer portal. And good for them. I say pay the men.
• Oklahoma State is the other obvious big player in the transfer/NIL world. Given how close to the season their coaching change occurred, they may have been crunched for time. I would not be surprised to see them lead this rank next year.

(Moderator's comment: Welcome to our Board, Wrestleknownothing. For a brand new user, you sure have started things off with a bang. PS - your first image appears to be broken.

Moderator:

Thanks for the Rivals contact. Unfortunately they are telling me that I need to pay for a premium subscription to post things (not sure how that first one got past the keeper), and I am not interested in doing that.

So this was a noble, but failed, experiment. I will probably post some comments, but not too often given the limitations and my addiction to making pictures from data. I find data tables to be hard on the eye. Oh, well.

I have a question; but, first I want to commend you for the wonderful graph depicting the returning points. Do the returning points for PSU include those of Shayne Van Ness? I tried researching this myself, but am unable to locate the table I saw after the NCAA Tournament that listed individual points received. TIA

 

[wrestleknownothing]

I have a question; but, first I want to commend you for the wonderful graph depicting the returning points. Do the returning points for PSU include those of Shayne Van Ness? I tried researching this myself, but am unable to locate the table I saw after the NCAA Tournament that listed individual points received. TIA

I did not include Van Ness' 2023 total. First it would be a ton of work to figure out 2023 or 2022 or 2021 points returning that did not wrestle in the 2024 tournament for every team. But I also have a problem with the definition of returning points that are not from the immediate prior season. Kind of like how I have a problem with Ferrari claiming for years that he was the defending champ without actually doing any defending.

The points I have for PSU from 2024 that return are as follows:

Wrestler	Team	Points​	Returning​	Transfer to​	Post Transfer
Levi Haines	Penn State	26.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Greg Kerkvliet	Penn State	23.5​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Beau Bartlett	Penn State	20.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Carter Starocci	Penn State	20.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Mitchell Mesenbrink	Penn State	19.5​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Tyler Kasak	Penn State	19.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Aaron Nagao	Penn State	3.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Braeden Davis	Penn State	2.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State

If you want to throw Van Ness' 15.5 points from 2023 on top, who am I to stop you?

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

I did not include Van Ness' 2023 total. First it would be a ton of work to figure out 2023 or 2022 or 2021 points returning that did not wrestle in the 2024 tournament for every team. But I also have a problem with the definition of returning points that are not from the immediate prior season. Kind of like how I have a problem with Ferrari claiming for years that he was the defending champ without actually doing any defending.

The points I have for PSU from 2024 that return are as follows:

Wrestler	Team	Points​	Returning​	Transfer to​	Post Transfer
Levi Haines	Penn State	​ 26.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Greg Kerkvliet	Penn State	​ 23.5​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Beau Bartlett	Penn State	​ 20.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Carter Starocci	Penn State	​ 20.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Mitchell Mesenbrink	Penn State	​ 19.5​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Tyler Kasak	Penn State	​ 19.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Aaron Nagao	Penn State	​ 3.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Braeden Davis	Penn State	​ 2.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State

If you want to throw Van Ness' 15.5 points from 2023 on top, who am I to stop you?

I agree with your point regarding Ferrari and also the added work in going beyond the prior season for your data. That being said, I do like seeing returning wrestlers' points from two seasons prior since it gives a more realistic picture of proven points returning. I do hope you will not be a stranger here. Good posters are always welcome!

 

[HikeNatParks]

Damn if @wrestleknownothing ain't the runaway winner of most ironic tag!

 

[wrestleknownothing]

Having 133 returning points is just silly impressive! I wonder if that is the record or if some of those Dan Gable-era Iowa teams had more returning points? Thanks for all your hard work on this. P.S., if you are willing, it would be great to have you comment in the "tell us a little about yourself" thread I just bumped. Perusing that thread is also a great way to get to quickly know some of the regular posters here.

Hard to say. Based on raw scores, 133 would be tied for the 19th highest total ever, so 19 teams had a chance to return as many or more points. But the word raw is doing a lot of work. Scoring has changed a fair amount over time, so you might need to rescore some old tournies to make it apples to apples. But the 1997 Iowa team had 5 seniors on it, so you can cross them off the list.

 

[dicemen99]

I did not include Van Ness' 2023 total. First it would be a ton of work to figure out 2023 or 2022 or 2021 points returning that did not wrestle in the 2024 tournament for every team. But I also have a problem with the definition of returning points that are not from the immediate prior season. Kind of like how I have a problem with Ferrari claiming for years that he was the defending champ without actually doing any defending.

The points I have for PSU from 2024 that return are as follows:

Wrestler	Team	Points​	Returning​	Transfer to​	Post Transfer
Levi Haines	Penn State	​ 26.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Greg Kerkvliet	Penn State	​ 23.5​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Beau Bartlett	Penn State	​ 20.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Carter Starocci	Penn State	​ 20.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Mitchell Mesenbrink	Penn State	​ 19.5​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Tyler Kasak	Penn State	​ 19.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Aaron Nagao	Penn State	​ 3.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State
Braeden Davis	Penn State	​ 2.0​	Y​	N/A​	Penn State

If you want to throw Van Ness' 15.5 points from 2023 on top, who am I to stop you?

Levi Haines 26.0. As a true Sophomore that just turned 20.

That total has been topped only 10 times in the last decade (7 times by PSU wrestlers).

Two-time finalist, one-time champion in two tries. Finalist as a trFR losing to a 25 year old.

Even the O'Toole performance hasn't woken up most of the fools out there.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Levi Haines 26.0. As a true Sophomore that just turned 20.

That total has been topped only 10 times in the last decade (7 times by PSU wrestlers).

Two-time finalist, one-time champion in two tries. Finalist as a trFR losing to a 25 year old.

Even the O'Toole performance hasn't woken up most of the fools out there.

The collective effort to diminish the oncoming PSU onslaught just makes the actual happening of the onslaught more fun. Hell, as often as not the diminishment is self inflicted. The proverbial Thursday meltdown over that missed 0.5 point that is going to cost us the championship.