Meanwhile, Iowa beats Northwestern this morning
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The epicenter of the wrestling world and they get upstaged by women's hoops. Go figure 
Tough way to end the match. The video you provided shows the opposite side of the headgear pull.. agreed? Need a better angle
Spencer Lee gassed again. Had a comfortable lead, then got taken down twice in the 3rd period to make it close.
Let's give Rivera some credit. He nearly took out Cruiseliner Nick at Midlands. Dangerous opponent.
It needs a different angle. I see a snap but I don't see the headgear moving. At least in that video.
I'm not a long-time poster here, but I respect your opinion so far (and I have many good friends from Iowa). With that said, from that angle, it looks like an atrocious call that totally screwed the NW kid. I'd love to see a different view.
Your right, he’s had limited success against guys better than him on his feet. Well except, he beat a former national champ and then teched last years runner up. Oh ya, also beat a returning AA from OSU and teched another AA without giving up a point. He will probably be lucky to make the semis in Cleveland. Us Hawk fans will be hoping and praying he can continue to only ride or turn these “top guys”
Sure, Rivera is darned tough, and Rivera had plenty left in the tank in the 3rd, unlike Spencer.
Thanks for the stills. Still do not see anything. I see his hand on the back of the head but still no idea if he pulled on the headgear or not.
Spencer is a generational type talent. I fully expect by March he will be ready to wrestle Saturday night at Nationals.
The official was 2 feet away and called it right away. Then they confirmed it on video. Not sure what other proof is needed.
Hard angle but he clearly pulled Sorensen’s left side of his headgear with his left hand. First picture gets it the best but it’s still on the opposite side.
The epicenter of the wrestling world and they get upstaged by women's hoops. Go figure
I can't stop chuckling about this. It's really quite a hilarious situation, and one that Sanderson should put in his own 3-inch thick binder.
The post you are responding to makes a valid point. Spencer has struggled in the neutral position against Bresser and Tomasello and probably will against Suriano also.
Your response was what I find typical of many Iowa posters, your feelings got hurt because someone questioned the superiority of an Iowa wrestler and you offered nothing to the conversation.
Whether Spencer has the necessary neutral offense to beat the other two or three super elite 125 pounders is a point worthy of considered conversation.
I wonder if that ref had his hair pulled or his hat stolen as a kid and he's determined to get metaphysical or mystical revenge against the universe.
No idea about that, but in the district 6 tournament he bit a chunk of his finals opponent's abdomen.
I would agree the ref had a much better look. Can’t tell from the video though. The ref blew the call on Joseph last week and confirmed it via video which doesn’t lead me to believe the review is apt to overturn many calls.
So let’s discuss. He already beat Nato without needing neutral offense. His neutral defense was very good as he fought off multiple leg attacks. He has had 2 matches where he gave up more than 1 td. The first against Picc and the second against Rivera. All the takedowns were in the 3rd after Spencer had accumulated leads by getting the initial td in the first and turning each of them for 4 near fall. Only other td he gave up was to Bresser and that was late in the third as well. He has faced 8 ranked opponents. Against 6 of them he got the first takedown and then always followed up with 4 near fall or more. That is his strength. If he can turn the guy, of course he’s going to do it. He didn’t takedown Nato or Bresser and he went 1-1. So because Picc and Rivera each got some late takedowns when the match was in hand makes him weak from neutral? I disagree. My biggest concern is him gassing against Picc and Rivera. Spencer doesn’t need multiple takedowns to beat anybody. He’s proven that against 8 ranked wrestlers. When you can get nf almost every time, no reason to play the takedown/release game. Did that add enough to the conversation?
That was better than your original response.
I do not believe he will struggle to get past the Piccininni or Rivera.
It is Spencer, Suriano, Tomasello and maybe Cruz. Of course Bresser in a QF match could prove a difficult out. The lack of offense against the other top 4 has to be a concern. Tomasello did score a TD and nearly 2 additional attempts. He may ride out Tomasello again or maybe against Suriano or Cruz.
Right now I would be willing to place a wager on this statement., "if Spencer does not score at least one takedown in the last two matches he wrestles this year he will not win nationals."
Really? Is that really how you look at things? I seriously hope TnT are coaching your boys to carry that exact same mentality onto the mat. You want to know one big reason why Penn State is owning everyone since Cael arrived? I thought it was obvious but a huge reason is BONUS POINTS.
If you feel Spencer is showing no weaknesses from neutral offense but merely taking his foot off the gas in the third, then I don’t know what to tell you. I personally would want more from the guy you Iowa fans have called possibly your greatest recruit. And if you feel that way of thinking should be shared throughout the rest of the team then you fans shouldn’t ever complain when they finish behind teams like Penn State who’s guys are looking to pile it on.
This is a little touchy. There are a lot of pro Spencer guys here that would love to see him destroy NATO then go on to crush the one from Jersey whose name shall not be mentioned.
Exactly ..... from a PSU perspective, we'd have to be nuts to not want Lee to beat Tomasello if it came to that. It's a two horse race this year, and anything Iowa can do to hamper OSU is fine by me.
Although ..... I think PSU will be fine no matter what as long as all of their guys wrestle like they did last night (and they get Nolf back).
I just worry about Lee next match one at a time.
Can he handle the 7 years difference in age?
Gosh that old man even handle Nato for 3 mins
and Natio should be at 141..
Can he handle the 7 years difference in age?
Gosh that old man even handle Nato for 3 mins
and Natio should be at 141..
I would agree with that unless he doesn’t give up a takedown himself. My point is just because a few guys are better on their feet doesn’t mean Spencer is in trouble. He has proven he can win by riding tough and turning guys repeatedly. Until someone proves otherwise, I’m not worried about his neutral game.
Spencer has bonused 70% of his opponents including last years runner up and a former AA by identical 15-0 scores. He only had 1 td takedown in each match. So he is scoring BONUS POINTS without having to takedown/release. I wish our other guys had this mentality. There is more than one way to score bonus points without being superior in neutral.
You should pay more attention to what I said. Re-read what I wrote and try comprehending what I said before you start formulating your next rant in your head.
You said he is in trouble against the top 125 pounders because they are better on their feet. I added more posts with explanation as to why I don’t feel the same way. I agree this first post was a rant but my follow up was not.
What I said was that Spencer makes his living from the top position. It's how he was able to beat NaTo without scoring a TD. Spencer had 2E and a riding time point to NaTo's 1TD.
Everything you said in response to my post did nothing but prove my point. Spencer is certainly capable of beating guys who are better on their feet, but like I already said he makes his living from the top position. NaTo, Suriano, and Cruz are all better on their feet than he is. To beat those guys he has to at least ride them out for a period, because the more time they spend on their feet the more trouble he is in. NaTo was awfully close to taking Spencer down in the first and a second time in the third. If NaTo had gotten out quickly in the second he spends the second period on his feet against NaTo and he likely does not win.
Guys like NaTo, Suriano, and Cruz are likely going to choose neutral going forward. Nobody wants to be underneath Spencer. That could very well be the difference in the match, because had NaTo chose neutral Spencer likely loses.
The thing is you know this, and everything you said after my post supports this, but you saw red immediately when reading my post and started formulating your defensive response before you even finished.
I don’t think I supported your opinion that he is in trouble. I firmly believe he can win a national title based solely on his ability to ride and turn guys. He lost to Bresser but has improved since and was able to beat Nato in a similar type match. If Spencer gets the first takedown, nobody is going to beat him. Time will tell if I’m right.
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