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Haskins has to play TCU week one...he'll already be tested. It's the benefit of playing a real schedule.
Wait, does Haskins not have to play TCU week one? Is that not a real test?
We'll know a lot about Ohio State by the time they arrive in Happy Valley (which could be good or bad for them--maybe Haskins is a flop or benched) but we'll know very little about our team.
Uh, there's a QB on the home team who is WAY more battle tested than a young guy who will be playing in front of a white out in Happy Valley for the first time. If you think TCU will get him ready for that, then you're even more delirious than I originally thought.
Who said "more tested" than McSorley. TCU is a very good early test for a young QB. I don't understand why it's so difficult for you to be rational when speaking about other teams. Nothing said in the post had anything to do with Penn State or McSorley. Haskins will have played 3 P5 teams before that game--that's a good thing for Ohio State because it will help prepare him. I never even said that he would do well. I just said we'll have some idea what to expect. Also, young QBs step up all the time. Experienced or not.
Nothing in OSU's early schedule will prepare him for that night. OSU may win, but it won't be because OSU's early schedule prepared Haskins. PSU has a huge QB advantage in that game.
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I expect their D will be very good. Not sure of their offense. I also question whether H is a great coach overall but I think he was a grand slam hire even if he doesn’t win more games. If their current W-L trend continues, he’ll lose his favor there and we’ll see. But he’s getting some excellent recruits and he has them in the news cycles big time (even more than they’d normally get-which is always annoying). That’s a win for UM, even when he’s embarrassing himself.
Right now, we have three marquis coaches in the B1G, arguably a few more. That's because of hype, whether we buy it or not. And it’s a good thing whenever we beat a hyped UM.
It’ll be a long time before UM stops getting hype they don’t deserve but they’re a strong program. Expecting them to be good this year on D isn’t necessarily buying hype. I haven’t been following the way too early hype. I just have expectations based on the talent that now has experience. Patterson? All hype. That’s all we know. But I’m guess there may have been a handful of programs nation-wide who wouldn’t have liked to add him to their QB room.
Right playing TCU isn't helpful at all
TCU is an easy game lmao--what does that make our schedule?
Exactly...OSU isn't going to win because of the TCU game. A White Out game at night is a whole different level. JT Barret who had already seen what it was like lost there...he pretty much owns every OSU QB record out there. Now all of a sudden a RS frosh is now the deciding factor here....only a complete gunsy tool would try and sell that. Both teams are pretty talented and OSU BARELY beat PSU at home with their 10 year QB having almost a perfect game in order to do so. Of course OSU can win, but this is just a typical troll looking to be an idiot...he's doing well.
I'm pretty sure you didn't read anything that as written based on your reply.
Again, good early season games help teams...I never once said Ohio State would win or Haskins would be the difference in the game. Reading isn't difficult--try it. He's also not a RS freshman...but, you know, why let facts stop you.
Since Fries is sure to see a lot of action, not sure how we can lose.
0...see I deal with facts. Just like I never said he would be the difference or even that Ohio State would win. I don't think we have any idea who wins that game right now. We need to see how Haskins does those first four weeks along with how Ohio State's defense looks. Neither are locks to be successful. Same with our defense and how we replace Hamilton, Barkley & Gesicki. I just wish we had a game like TCU early on to gauge how we'll do
Both teams are replacing players and both teams have plenty of talent waiting in the wings....no $h!t. Miles...you're a bore. So in your world OSU replaces palyers = upgrade. PSU replaces players = automatic fail. OSU lost a 4 year starting QB...but that doesn't count. Stop babbling for once and just say you don't have a clue as to who will win.
While not TCU, App. State is no slouch and can't be taken lightly. And I also think Pitt on the road at night is a pretty good test. We have more talent, but they'll come to play. I don't see the TCU game helping OSU very much on 9/29.
Penn State is only what, 7-7 in White Out games? Doesn't seem to be any kind of a deciding factor.
Did you note the last 2, now that our talent level has risen to appropriate levels?
Now, now, we need to say PSU is average and sucks. PSU had an 80 year old HC during most of that time and then sanctions.....but we have people pretending like now that talent is better we need to say woe is PSU to everything. OSU, UM, MSU....all 3 can beat PSU and PSU can beat all 3. That is the reality of this 2018 season....we'll have to see how it turns out. This mindless crap about how great everyone else is a bit over done. PSU will be the favorite in the vast majority of their games unless they absolutely tank for some reason. Yet you have some "PSU" fans and alums fighting so hard to say how great everyone else is.
Recency effect was not stated. All that was argued was because this is a WHITE OUT game, Penn St should come out on top. That is historically not the case.
And Ohio State still has the best overall talent in the Big Ten.
Yes. I'm always amazed here at how every decent PSU opponent is made to look like the New England Patriots. There isn't a team in the country we wouldn't have a shot to beat right now, yet we always have people downplaying the program and upplaying other programs. It's the same cast of characters too.
Just a reminder. Last 2 games of Penn State vs Ohio State:
Each team has won 1 game. Neither team has won their game by more than 3 points. PSU won by 3. OSU won by 1. Each team won on their home field.
Aggregate score for the 2 games: PSU 62 - OSU 60.
And PSU has more talent this season than they had in either of those games, though some of it is young. Ask Urban Meyer where he'd rather be playing this game and if the "white out" matters?
An early season game like that could also ruin him. Maybe a couple of easier games to get his feet wet would be better.
When did I say any of that? What are you talking about? Read my quote that you responded to...I have never said who will win that game. I have no clue who will win nor does anyone else. All that was said is Haskins WILL be tested against TCU prior to our game. That's a fact. While we play a cupcake schedule--also a fact.
Again, TCU is a legit test away from home for Ohio State prior to their game in Happy Valley. Testing yourself early in the year typically pays off in the long run. Typically--not always.
If you think App State or Pitt are "good tests' then we simply disagree.
Any way you slice it, Ohio State has more talent than ANYONE in the Big Ten. The White Out is only good for a .500 win percentage. As of today, I would make the Buckeyes a -2 favorite. Of course Penn State can win. But it is far from the lock you portray with those bing cherry picked stats.
That's true...I did say that he may fail that test. At no point did I say Haskins was going to be elite, special or anything else...just that their early schedule will help prepare him.
History doesn't matter when you got near evenly matched teams playing in front of 100,000+ screaming fans in '18.
Win or lose, the crowd will hurt the Buckeyes unless they can blow us out. It's called home field advantage.
Not evenly matched, so the crowd had better play a big role for Penn State to win.
Cherry picked? That's the most recent 2 games dude, meaning the latest data points. Looks pretty even to me and not based on your subjective analysis. You probably agreed with the "eye test" BS a couple seasons ago too.
Results from the last 2 games are cherry picked, but your use of a ten year old White Out game is relevant?
Methinks you have it backwards.
I said NEAR evenly matched.
Also, across the board, our talent and depth is better now than it has been in the previous two games. We split those.
Can we replace Barkley without hiccup? Can they replace Barrett? Two biggest questions.
Okay, now I know you're trolling. They're as evenly matched as any 2 football programs in the B1G right now. Last 2 games have shown it and it's only getting tighter.
and how many of those games where we favored in? Many times we were the underdog and won when we where so the White Out does in fact help.
Meyer OSU and Franklin PSU teams have played how many times (4)? But only the last two are worth considering? That is the definition of cherry picking.
Home field will certainly help, but the idea that the WHITE OUT is some kind of historical FORCE OF NATURE does not match with the .500 results.
Yeah, that was my thought....we don’t have white out games for teams like App State or Rutgers. We play our toughest opponents for white out games, so a .500 record actually does show an advantage.
So you're going to double down......
Again, I can think of no more relevant data point than the last two games because a lot of those players are still playing for both teams. It is hardly the definition of cherry picking. It is the definition of relevant.
Ohio State players have been previously quoted on how big an advantage a White Out is.
But keep talking about what happened 10 years ago.....
I mean, stats can typically be "cherry picked" to favor any side in an argument. 2 years seems to short of a period...10 seems arbitrary
