Michigan players ‘assaulted’ in the tunnel

[LandoComando]

The tunnel situation is what it is. There's literally nothing wrong with Franklin making a common sense observation that generally everyone, save for Michigan fans, seems to think has a common sense solution(s): separate the teams, build a different location, something besides saying "it's been there for 100 years".

The fact that you are adamant that Michigan has nearly no blame because "all they did was win and dominate and ..." isn't unbiased; its borderline homerish.

How can I be "homerish" for a program I don't care about?
I've said repeatedly Harbaugh shouldn't have said anything either--he only did though because of Franklin. We all know that. That's just reality. Harbaugh is a douchebag so when he's attacked he's going to escalate it.
I'm all for making changes but blaming Michigan or Michigan State's players allegedly assaulting one of them is illogical and points to an inferiority complex this board (not you) has with Michigan and other programs. Hence the scUM and O$U nonsense.

 

[psu00]

I found this on an OSU board from last year as OSU was headed to the dressing room at half followed by Michigan players yelling and trying to start crap with them. Like you said, there's one common factor in all of these incidents

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Well, there you go. That certainly provides some insight into the Michigan vs Ohio State altercation last year. Here’s another view at that time. These were reportedly taken at halftime when Michigan led 14-13 (so no one had even lost yet to be a ‘sore loser’).

 

[Eph97]

Harbaugh encourages his players to try to intimidate the other team in the tunnel. It happened last year with OSU, and now with PSU and MSU. However, those MSU players should be charged with assault as there's no excuse for that.

 

[87 Penn St8]

I found this on an OSU board from last year as OSU was headed to the dressing room at half followed by Michigan players yelling and trying to start crap with them. Like you said, there's one common factor in all of these incidents

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Towards the end you can see Harbaugh charging by likely heading to the front of the ruckus.

Everyone is correct here....it MAY be the visiting teams who are acting out, BUT it also sure seems like Michigan is not innocent and is the constant.

If UM really cares they will have their team wait until Harbaugh himself can lead the team in. That may be slower due to media commitments etc. but then he clearly is the one in charge.

Maybe opposing head coaches need to be the caboose and make sure all of their players toe the line too.

Sucky situation due to an outdated stadium that was renovated not too long ago. Adding another tunnel must not have been a priority.....

Michigan waving middle fingers at OSU and chanting like a prison block is maybe something that instigated our idiots too?

Michigan is partly to blame. They are not innocent victims.

No way around it.

 

[Obliviax]

Harbaugh encourages his players to try to intimidate the other team in the tunnel. It happened last year with OSU, and now with PSU and MSU. However, those MSU players should be charged with assault as there's no excuse for that.

yeah...if UM thought this was a problem, it is easily rectified. Put video cameras in there and make an example out of a few guys and have one team go in first and then the other. Or, have security in there as the players leave. This isn't hard to fix, UM has to want to fix it. And they haven't wanted to because they use it.

 

[PSUSignore]

UM didn't appear to do anything wrong here based on what's been shown in the videos so far. A player that apparently is recovering from injury ran into the tunnel before the rest of the team. I don't know if that's normal for players that aren't dressed, but his presence in the tunnel doesn't justify what happened. Hell one MSU player was bashing a UM player with a helmet, and the player being hit didn't have a helmet on, so obviously he could have been seriously injured. This is very serious and a few MSU players are likely going to be kicked out of the program as a result. The family of the player that was attacked with the helmet apparently has said they'll be pressing charges and I can't say I blame them.

 

[87 Penn St8]

Towards the end you can see Harbaugh charging by likely heading to the front of the ruckus.

Everyone is correct here....it MAY be the visiting teams who are acting out, BUT it also sure seems like Michigan is not innocent and is the constant.

If UM really cares they will have their team wait until Harbaugh himself can lead the team in. That may be slower due to media commitments etc. but then he clearly is the one in charge.

Maybe opposing head coaches need to be the caboose and make sure all of their players toe the line too.

Sucky situation due to an outdated stadium that was renovated not too long ago. Adding another tunnel must not have been a priority.....

Michigan waving middle fingers at OSU and chanting like a prison block is maybe something that instigated our idiots too?

Michigan is partly to blame. They are not innocent victims.

No way around it.

The MSU kids should be shut down for the rest of the year. Bravado turning into action = assault.

Hockey has some fights that cross the line into criminal actions. Kermit Washington capping Rudy Tomjonovich was criminal.

Stomping a helmetless dude with a bunch of your buddies in cleats simply isn't right...

 

[Obliviax]

UM didn't appear to do anything wrong here based on what's been shown in the videos so far. A player that apparently is recovering from injury ran into the tunnel before the rest of the team. I don't know if that's normal for players that aren't dressed, but his presence in the tunnel doesn't justify what happened. Hell one MSU player was bashing a UM player with a helmet, and the player being hit didn't have a helmet on, so obviously he could have been seriously injured. This is very serious and a few MSU players are likely going to be kicked out of the program as a result. The family of the player that was attacked with the helmet apparently has said they'll be pressing charges and I can't say I blame them.

the video was either started AFTER the beginning or edited to start after the beginning. without seeing the start, the instigation, it is impossible to place blame (other than they were warned by CJF and scorned him for doing so)

 

[psu00]

UM didn't appear to do anything wrong here based on what's been shown in the videos so far. A player that apparently is recovering from injury ran into the tunnel before the rest of the team. I don't know if that's normal for players that aren't dressed, but his presence in the tunnel doesn't justify what happened. Hell one MSU player was bashing a UM player with a helmet, and the player being hit didn't have a helmet on, so obviously he could have been seriously injured. This is very serious and a few MSU players are likely going to be kicked out of the program as a result. The family of the player that was attacked with the helmet apparently has said they'll be pressing charges and I can't say I blame them.

Totally agree those stomping on the player and swinging the helmet should be punished and kicked off the team. No excuse for that.

 

[PSUSignore]

the video was either started AFTER the beginning or edited to start after the beginning. without seeing the start, the instigation, it is impossible to place blame (other than they were warned by CJF and scorned him for doing so)

Let's not pretend CJF is some savior that pointed out a problem that nobody was aware of. I'm sure teams that have only 1 tunnel frequently deal with teams chirping at each other, particularly in big rivalry games. In most of those cases it never escalated to something like this.

I did say based on the videos we have so far, of course as more comes out things may change. Harbaugh alluded to an ABC tunnel camera today, so there is more footage that isn't public (yet). That footage likely won't be released immediately because this is now a serious investigation with police that is likely to result in criminal charges. I'd imagine they will keep the investigation under wraps as much as they can until they are ready to announce findings. I've seen some complaints that Tucker hasn't contacted Harbaugh either, but he's likely been advised by lawyers not to do so since this is now a criminal investigation. We'll learn a lot more in the weeks ahead but based on the available evidence as of now MSU's players look very bad, and if that holds up the program needs to send a big message that this won't be tolerated. I expect they will be kicked off the team and possibly expelled from MSU.

 

[nc-blue]

Harbaugh encourages his players to try to intimidate the other team in the tunnel. It happened last year with OSU, and now with PSU and MSU. However, those MSU players should be charged with assault as there's no excuse for that.\

This you tube video is after the MIchigan this year. It shows two great teams coming through the tunnel with no issues at all. As far as I know MSU has been a problem program since the 70‘s with drugs, arrests, probation and so on. I am happy with these two classy teams leaving the tunnel.

I guess scum and Jim need to fry this fish. Hail to the Victor's need to figure out how to keep teams separated in their one tunnel out house. Obviously the coaches can't keep these modern athletes under control.

 

[Obliviax]

This you tube video is after the MIchigan this year. It shows two great teams coming through the tunnel with no issues at all. As far as I know MSU has been a problem program since the 70‘s with drugs, arrests, probation and so on. I am happy with these two classy teams leaving the tunnel.

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This is, at least, the third time there has been a problem: OSU last year, PSU last week, Sparty this week. The common denominator? University of Michigan

 

[Noffinater]

What's the other common factor?

Penn State and Michigan fight each other. Ohio State and Michigan fight each other. Michigan State and Michigan fight each other.

Penn State and Ohio State don't fight each other. Penn State and Michigan State don't fight each other. Ohio State and Michigan State don't fight each other.

The common denominator is Michigan. Harbaugh would say it's because everyone has it out to get them. They're all jealous and spiteful of the Michigan program.

Or, could it be his program has a knack for picking fights? MSU players deserve major repercussions, but Harbaugh is not blameless. His team has a culture of instigating. JH will demand accountability from everyone except himself.

 

[Obliviax]

Bingo. MSU players deserve major repercussions, but Harbaugh is not blameless. His team has a culture of instigating. JH will demand accountability from everyone except himself.

Penn State and Michigan fight. Ohio State and Michigan fight. Michigan State and Michigan fight.

Penn State and Ohio State don't fight. Penn State and Michigan State doesn't fight.

Michigan is the common denominator.


Penn State and Michigan fight each other. Ohio State and Michigan fight each other. Michigan State and Michigan fight each other.

Penn State and Ohio State don't fight each other. Penn State and Michigan State don't fight each other. Ohio State and Michigan State don't fight each other.

The common denominator is Michigan. They are instigators. It's part of Harbaugh's culture. He coaches them to be chippy, intimidating especially in the tunnel.

totally agree. Harbaugh new the situation. CJF warned him directly and he mocked CFJ. So while the MSU player may be to blame, UM and Harbaugh are not blameless. In fact, they are negligent.

 

[PSU2UNC]

You're oversimplifying it to deflect any blame on our program
How long as Michigan had that set up? How many incidents have their been?

There have been 3 incidents in the last four Michigan conference home games.

Who knows in the days before camera phone video how many there were.

There is no excuse for what the MSU players did. Zero. None. Criminal charges are warranted.

BUT...

The tunnel set up is negligent. If they cannot physically engineer things differently (could they make two walkways separated by a fence?) then they need to stagger the teams leaving the field (like they do for the entrance). This seems like it would be easy. Have Michigan stay on the field longer to sing the alma mater or whatever, get the visitors off the field, and then Michigan goes to locker room. Not rocket science.

 

[LandoComando]

There have been 3 incidents in the last four Michigan conference home games.

Who knows in the days before camera phone video how many there were.

There is no excuse for what the MSU players did. Zero. None. Criminal charges are warranted.

BUT...

The tunnel set up is negligent. If they cannot physically engineer things differently (could they make two walkways separated by a fence?) then they need to stagger the teams leaving the field (like they do for the entrance). This seems like it would be easy. Have Michigan stay on the field longer to sing the alma mater or whatever, get the visitors off the field, and then Michigan goes to locker room. Not rocket science.

I'm fine with saying there should be different entrances but there's no negligence on Michigan in this situation. Change is needed but for how long wasn't it in issue as well? We can't simply blame Michigan for the actions of others as easy as that would be.

 

[Obliviax]

I'm fine with saying there should be different entrances but there's no negligence on Michigan in this situation. Change is needed but for how long wasn't it in issue as well? We can't simply blame Michigan for the actions of others as easy as that would be.

Really? Did you hear harbaugh mock Franklin after he brought it up? Michigan knew and persisted. They did so because they want to try an intimidate the visiting team

 

[Marylovesthelions]

Not a Harbaugh fan but blaming him for his players allegedly being assaulted is irrational. Players talk shit--that's reality including Penn State players. If you can't control you're emotions that's another story. Mel Tucker needs to be held accountable not Harbaugh for the actions of the other team.

I hope you realize you're pushing to some brain dead people. Harbaugh is one of the successful coaches who does everything right.

 

[PSU2UNC]

I'm fine with saying there should be different entrances but there's no negligence on Michigan in this situation. Change is needed but for how long wasn't it in issue as well? We can't simply blame Michigan for the actions of others as easy as that would be.

I'm not blaming Michigan nor am I defending MSU.

But this is the third incident in the last 4 home conference games (only UMD was incident free). I imagine there have been many instances before cell phone video.

Having the tunnel operate this way is asinine. Either make a physical barrier or temporally separate the teams. It's not rocket science. I thought "Michigan Men" were supposed to be smart??

 

[Online Persona]

With this being 3 of the last 4 conference games at Michigan and the 3 toughest games Michigan likely has on their schedule nearly every year, is it possible that the tunnel fights are a strategy? Is it possible they are fully aware and instigate the tunnel fights as an intentional strategy to get their opponents off their game and overly emotional?

I'm not aware of any program in the history of the sport that has gotten into tunnel fights in 3 out of 4 conference home games. It's unprecedented and highly improbable. So is it really unintentional?

 

[PSU2UNC]

With this being 3 of the last 4 conference games at Michigan and the 3 toughest games Michigan likely has on their schedule nearly every year, is it possible that the tunnel fights are a strategy? Is it possible they are fully aware and instigate the tunnel fights as an intentional strategy to get their opponents off their game and overly emotional?

I'm not aware of any program in the history of the sport that has gotten into tunnel fights in 3 out of 4 conference home games. It's unprecedented and highly improbable. So is it really unintentional?

I don't think this at all (I'm also not aware of any other major program that has only one tunnel).

I'm sure Michigan is talking more shite now that they are a competent program and I'm sure that doesn't help, but I don't think anyone is trying to start fights.

 

[LandoComando]

Really? Did you hear harbaugh mock Franklin after he brought it up? Michigan knew and persisted. They did so because they want to try an intimidate the visiting team

How is it intimidating?
Michigan State was wrong. It's really that simple. Glad 8 people were suspended and hopefully they're kicked out of college next.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Wonder what Jemele Hill and those other loudmouth Spartan turds are thinking right now. They should be kicked out of the Big 10

 

[Online Persona]

Update: Michigan is removing 45 seats and expanding their tunnel this offseason.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I hope you realize you're pushing to some brain dead people. Harbaugh is one of the successful coaches who does everything right.

Bump

 

[87 Penn St8]

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" The "Wizard"