The problem was that Michigan's strength, a very good defensive line, was matched up against the weakest part of OSU, its depleted offensive line. People were losing track that Michigan was playing better -- only losing by 5 to Indiana and giving Oregon something of a tussle. Winning game against NW by about 45 points. You factor that in with Michigan's kicker making a 54 yarder and OSU's kicker choking, it adds up to a loss. Because Howard playing a typical game for him adds a running dimension and is a good passer, I believe he is better for OSU. Happy that McCord had a good season (with one terrible game) for Syracuse.
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I think your perception is off because Michigan won Saturday. Michigan was Michigan all year. They couldn't run on neither Oregon nor Indiana. Loveland had a decent game vs Oregon, but they were within 11 pts at the games closest. Their QB play was putrid all year.
Michigan somehow suckered yall into a rock fight and won. They were missing their only receiving weapon. They just ran Mullings over and over again. Their QB had 62 yards passing and 2 picks. They never sacked your QB on 33 pass attempts, which is a bad stat for them.
Your kicker was the nail in the coffin, but don't delude yourself: Michigan wasn't improved; they just won. It happens.
OSU lost because they employed an idiotic offensive game plan that yielded 1 TD. Sure, the fg's didn't help and neither did the turnovers. Bottom line is UM scored 13 points and won.
I thought McCord played well against UM last year, when UM was a championship team, and unfairly took the rap.
I get the impression that Howard wants to be Baker Mayfield but can't pull it off. He was kind of punkish in playing up the "Penn State didn't recruit me" schtick and then acted like a clown taunting Indiana in that game. So he doesn't get any sympathy from me in playing badly in the big game.
Times have changed and the pressure to beat Meatchicken is huge plus their current coach isn't an alum right?
Not sure I follow. Indiana, FSU and Colorado have more transfers than OSU. If anything, OSU appeared to hit that sweet spot between recruiting (top 3 roster the past 3-4 cycles) and portal (filled holes, improved roster with potentially better players).
They did bring back a bunch of players with NIL that would have been on an NFL roster today, which I'm sure our fan base would have loved (imagine Chop, Kalen, Jacobs, Olu, Issac all being back).
Just trying to figure out how your statement applies.
I don’t think Day can handle the pressure. You can tell by looking at him on the sidelines how nervous he was. And the team played like it, very tight.
Correct--pretending Michigan is good now is a joke. Ohio State gave away that game
Huh? Is this saying because they're getting paid they don't care because that's simply not true. See Sawyer's reaction to losing. They care. A lot
And this team isn't built on the portal--we've seen the portal works (Indiana, Colorado, etc) and those that refuse to use it (Clemson) will slip.
I disagree. I think McCord is better suited to distribute the ball to your playmakers. Day made an awful qb decision.
Ultimately Howard was brought in to replace McCord because McCord couldn't beat Michigan. Howard didn't beat Michigan either so....
I said from day 1 they used McCord as the scapegoat for their failures and it wasn't fair to him but all that matters now is what Howard does in the post season--if they win 3 games or a title then they probably made the right move (doubt it) but if they don't....I think Day pays for it with his job.
Yep, no doubt - and it wasn't just Howard who was taunting Indiana after the game. Day acted like a complete clown and said something like - we wanted to leave no doubt.... that they understood their place - about pushing it in from the 1 yard line after the duhO$U tried to let the clock run out by going down at the 1. Really puts into light what hypocritical whiners duhO$U and their fans are about scUM celebrating on their field justifying their entire team to commit mass assault. Such cry baby sore winners and losers.
It won't last. The kind of recruits hitting up a school just for the money is a slow growing cancer.
How can anyone know that money was the only factor? Of course money would be part of the decision, just like it would for almost every non-athlete deciding on a school. But saying they flipped just for the money is silly.
I have no problem with players prioritizing $$$ in decisions; however, they should be forced to deal with the same realities non-amateurs face (i.e., let's not play semantics and both sides of the equation here - NIL is a polite term for "salary/compensation"). As such, these kids should be subject to contractual terms such as "clawbacks" and non-compete provisions that other professionals are subject to - this introduces the element of being forced to live with the decision you make - especially if you're going to make it based solely on $$$ and compensation ignoring "terms & conditions".
It's not about PS or Franklin. Apples and Oranges. PS doesn't and never have operated that way. Franklin detractors will have to stay disappointed in that respect.
Urban Meyer bursts some Buckeye fan balloons. Sorry, guys, he ain't coming back. But I understand Luke Fickelll may be available. Or Matt Rhule? Everybody said they were hot shots.
But back to Urban, here's a statement he made today:
But back to Urban, here's a statement he made today:
Howard's game against Tennessee where he threw dimes all over the field in a very big game proves that he is a better player than McCord. Mccord never had a throwing game as good as Howard had against Tennessee while playing for Ohio State and on top of that Howard contributed significant rushing yards which you never got from McCord.
I will add that I give both McCord and Ryan day a lot of credit for the way they bounced back from a very difficult loss.
well one game never proves anything, just ask the kid from FSU or Graham Mertz for that matter
He has completed 80% his passes in five games, including 82% against Tennessee. Howard had one bad game against Michigan and many very good games. His overall record and skill set is better than that of Kyle McCord.
He had plenty of time to throw and his receiving corps is lights out…like.. unbelievable.. all
Will be in the NFL no question….. Vols never matched up well…it was over when the seeding was done..
I've said it before...and as of late 2024, I'm sticking with the theory: NIL has minimized the SEC/football factory talent gap.
Teams like OSU and Bama and Georgia paid players under the table for year (the "bag men")...and the four-team playoff only enhanced that perception of their excellence, as those teams maximized their exposure as elite teams (OSU 6 appearances, PSU zero, e.g.).
Now, there is no NCAA enforcement. The Wild West is here and schools that did things the right way (for the most part) now can capitalize on capitalism. We've seen a meteoric collapse of the SEC and Clemson, while the Big Ten has improved drastically.
It's still a working theory....time will tell...how will the SEC counterattack this immediate loss of talent...
...but OSU is also teetering on the edge a bit...lost the Big Ten bully throne (first Michigan, now Oregon)...Ryan Day also skating on thin ice (for impossibly high standards set because of the Big Ten bias and cheating ways of Tressel and Meyer)...
I for one would love to see PSU fill in that power vacuum left by a Buckeye vacancy...
Teams like OSU and Bama and Georgia paid players under the table for year (the "bag men")...and the four-team playoff only enhanced that perception of their excellence, as those teams maximized their exposure as elite teams (OSU 6 appearances, PSU zero, e.g.).
Now, there is no NCAA enforcement. The Wild West is here and schools that did things the right way (for the most part) now can capitalize on capitalism. We've seen a meteoric collapse of the SEC and Clemson, while the Big Ten has improved drastically.
It's still a working theory....time will tell...how will the SEC counterattack this immediate loss of talent...
...but OSU is also teetering on the edge a bit...lost the Big Ten bully throne (first Michigan, now Oregon)...Ryan Day also skating on thin ice (for impossibly high standards set because of the Big Ten bias and cheating ways of Tressel and Meyer)...
I for one would love to see PSU fill in that power vacuum left by a Buckeye vacancy...
O$U is most likely team to win National Championship this year. How does that work in your theory?
Yup. They went all in as a desperation move to get back ahead of Michigan...not sustainable...
...but we'll see if it comes to fruition...OR...
if the other teams who have closed the gap on them truly can send them back to earth finally, somewhere they really haven't been since 2001...
...but we'll see if it comes to fruition...OR...
if the other teams who have closed the gap on them truly can send them back to earth finally, somewhere they really haven't been since 2001...
Claims the SEC has collapsed seems unfounded right now
The question for us is what happens after our elite draft class leaves--can we maintain the success?
Ohio State was always in the mix before. Not really sure what has changed other than Bama lost Saban
Kudos to Day and team leadership for not losing the lockerroom and the team.
This may sound crazy but it seemed to me that the OSU players and fans took umbrage with the 'orange invasion' of fans that had descended upon their stadium from Tennessee.
OSU came out with the same attitude that they exhibited after the UM flag planting free-for-all. They definitely came out and played with an 'edge to their game on Saturday night. And it was reflected on the scoreboard.
The gash on the top of the helmet of the TN QB provided ample evidence of the physicality of that contest. A brutal hit!
Totally agree with the you regarding NIL equalizing player payments. I also believe the portal has had a similar effect. Beau Pribula would never consider Mizzou out of high school, but guess where he’s reportedly heading?
I apologize, maybe I'm not understanding. Isn't that the good part of the portal--kids that wouldn't start at their first choice now have options to play without being controlled by the program. I don't see then negative with that. I see the negative in top guys chasing money.
They flat out put it on Tennessee bigtime. But being neutral and pulling for all B1G teams, my favorite part during the 1st round was the OSU fans chanting "SEC, SEC, SEC" during the game. SEC fans are the most arrogant around (along with a-hole Finebaum)......that had to be a loooong ride back to Tennessee for their fans.
