My two cents...

[PortlandLion]

125 - Nico gets it done this year, but not this weekend.
133 - Conaway gets 4th place, about where he ends up at the nationals.
141 - Jimmy needs to win his first match to get the confidence for his ticket. Its been awhile since he’s looked good and it will probably be another year.
149 - Who would have thought a year ago that Tshirt would be a 3 seed? I think Zane wins it, but MUCH more difficult than expected against a better field that has shown so far this season, including a Sorensen that will be content to wait this one out on a frustrated Zane. Regardless of a possible upset, Zane wins it all in 2 weeks.
157 - I can’t believe that IMar was 100% in their first match and I’m sure that IMar would be the last to admit his true condition. Regardless of the outcome, the big match will happen in 2 weeks.
165 - Morelli hasn’t shown much offense and staying close only gives hope, but I’m not very hopeful.
174 - I think this is a very tough field. Bo will win or loose the championship on ONE big move.
184 - MM punches his ticket if his body holds out. I think that’s all we can hope for at this time.
197 - Smack is finally 100% healthy this year and the great results will continue for our undefeated champ.
Hwt - Nevillis needs JUST 2 wins agains some tough dudes to move on. If all is true that he has progressed a lot since his first appearance 4 weeks ago, I think that makes 8.

 

[Gray52]

I believe Nevills only needs two wins if he wins his first two. Otherwise, he'll need three.

 

[clucas]

Portland, I think the shame of the 157 lb. class is that if Nolf were to beat IMar at B10's, he (Imar) could very well be a 4 seed at Nationals. Miller and Gantt will likely both remain undefeated through their conference tournament and could be the #2 and #3 seed. It could be that Nolf vs. IMar 3 would be in the semis.

If Nolf loses, he would likely drop to a #4 seed and IMar would likely be the #3 seed with an undefeated Miller and Gantt at #1 and #2. In this scenario, Nolf wouldn't hit IMar until the finals.

Does anyone think a one loss returning champ in Imar gets seeded ahead of an undefeated Miller or Gantt? If so, it completely changes the above scenario.

 

[nitcougars152]

The seeding at 157 is really interesting because I could see Brascetta beating Gantt in a mini-upset. Looking forward to seeing how things play out. Nolf has looked outstanding, I don't get to see Miller wrestle much but would like to see IMAR vs Miller in semis. We'll see!

Also, after seeing how Jimmy wrestled Heil, he showed he has the talent and pace. I know he hasn't gotten a takedown in awhile but he wrestled well against Heil. Against Jordan, Jimmy was able to ride him well and almost turn him. Although it would be a big upset, upsets are bound to happen and I would love it to be in favor of PSU!

 

[a_mshaffer]

The seeding at 157 is really interesting because I could see Brascetta beating Gantt in a mini-upset. Looking forward to seeing how things play out. Nolf has looked outstanding, I don't get to see Miller wrestle much but would like to see IMAR vs Miller in semis. We'll see!

Also, after seeing how Jimmy wrestled Heil, he showed he has the talent and pace. I know he hasn't gotten a takedown in awhile but he wrestled well against Heil. Against Jordan, Jimmy was able to ride him well and almost turn him. Although it would be a big upset, upsets are bound to happen and I would love it to be in favor of PSU!

an upset on paper! Jimmy is getting tuned up!

 

[nitcougars152]

Oh I don't necessarily think Jimmy will win that match with Jordan, BUT I can hope for it! I do think he qualifies, though.

 

[DaKidVoy]

Nolf - IMar 3 in the semi's would be so disappointing. However, freshman under the big lights of the national finals. Could it end up being a Jenkins-Taylor if he runs into Miller for the first time? Outside of the seniors (Nico - Smack), I want to see Nolf win and be undefeated more than anyone else on the team.

 

[Hartzie]

Nolf - IMar 3 in the semi's would be so disappointing. However, freshman under the big lights of the national finals. Could it end up being a Jenkins-Taylor if he runs into Miller for the first time? Outside of the seniors (Nico - Smack), I want to see Nolf win and be undefeated more than anyone else on the team.

Apples to oranges. DT had wrestled Bubba lots of times before Nationals.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Portland, I think the shame of the 157 lb. class is that if Nolf were to beat IMar at B10's, he (Imar) could very well be a 4 seed at Nationals. Miller and Gantt will likely both remain undefeated through their conference tournament and could be the #2 and #3 seed. It could be that Nolf vs. IMar 3 would be in the semis.

If Nolf loses, he would likely drop to a #4 seed and IMar would likely be the #3 seed with an undefeated Miller and Gantt at #1 and #2. In this scenario, Nolf wouldn't hit IMar until the finals.

Does anyone think a one loss returning champ in Imar gets seeded ahead of an undefeated Miller or Gantt? If so, it completely changes the above scenario.

The problem I have with ranking Miller or Gantt over J-No or I-Mar regardless of their record versus one another is the fact that Miller and Gantt have ZERO wins against anyone even sniffing AA and only a couple wins between them combined over lower second ten ranked wrestlers. Pure insanity if the NCAA ranks either of these wrestlers (Miller or Gantt) higher than 3.

 

[clucas]

The problem I have with ranking Miller or Gantt over J-No or I-Mar regardless of their record versus one another is the fact that Miller and Gantt have ZERO wins against anyone even sniffing AA and only a couple wins between them combined over lower second ten ranked wrestlers. Pure insanity if the NCAA ranks either of these wrestlers (Miller or Gantt) higher than 3.

I agree with you...wondering about precedence. Can anyone recall a situation where a wrestler who was an undefeated conference champion is seeded below someone who isn't undefeated. Does previous placement at nationals factor into seeding? This could help IMar, but hurt Nolf.

 

[CholleyVandine]

The problem I have with ranking Miller or Gantt over J-No or I-Mar regardless of their record versus one another is the fact that Miller and Gantt have ZERO wins against anyone even sniffing AA and only a couple wins between them combined over lower second ten ranked wrestlers. Pure insanity if the NCAA ranks either of these wrestlers (Miller or Gantt) higher than 3.

Well, Gantt has beaten Brascetta. He's a two-time AA already and would certainly be favored to be one again this year.

 

[april racer]

Well, Gantt has beaten Brascetta. He's a two-time AA already and would certainly be favored to be one again this year.

He has also defeated Pack.

 

[diggerpup]

Nolf will never plummet to a 4 seed with a single loss to IMar in the B1G title match.

His body of work on the season is far too impressive.

 

[El-Jefe]

I agree with you...wondering about precedence. Can anyone recall a situation where a wrestler who was an undefeated conference champion is seeded below someone who isn't undefeated. Does previous placement at nationals factor into seeding? This could help IMar, but hurt Nolf.

141 in 2014:
1 Port (undefeated)
2 Stieber
3 Zain
4 Carter (undefeated)

 

[clucas]

Yeah, but Carter was hurt most of that year and just made it back for nationals if I recall. That is a unique situation. I think most would also argue that Stieber definitely should have been the 1 seed (being a two-time returning national champ) but he had that loss to Zain. This is precisely why I argue that Gantt and Miller would be seeded above a 1 loss Imar or Nolf.

 

[El-Jefe]

Previous years aren't supposed to factor into current year seeds. Human nature being what it is, but you can't justify it at the seeding committee mtg by saying "last year he ..." Have to come up with a this year reason.

Carter did not wrestle a full season but did wrestle very well when active. 14-0 with 8 pins and 2 TFs before nationals.

I thought Zain should have been the #4 seed that year. IMO the NCAA brackets should defer conference finals rematches for as long as realistic -- in this case, Zain-Stieber III should have been in the national finals.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Well, Gantt has beaten Brascetta. He's a two-time AA already and would certainly be favored to be one again this year.

Yes, didn't think VaTech wrestled Brascetta in NC State match for whatever reason....my mistake. Pack is in the same category as Gantt and Miller - his high ranking is based pretty much on a close loss to Gantt and really nothing else (especially considering that Cody Pack also lost to UVa's Atkinson). Miller's ranking is based on pure speculation as to how he would do versus top 10 opponent....Gantt's ranking is essentially based on beating Brascetta (as putting pack in the top 6 is based primarily on his close loss to Gantt as evidenced by his loss to Atkinson)??? Still think it is crazy to rank any of these guys over I-Mar (returning National Champion and owner of lots of other quality wins in B1G) or J-No based on I-Mar and J-No losing or beating one another???

 

[clucas]

I do think Miller is a little more than pure speculation, he is a two-time returning All-American and he got screwed last year against Realbuto who ended up in the finals. He's placed 4th and 5th the past two years so he's a known commodity.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

I do think Miller is a little more than pure speculation, he is a two-time returning All-American and he got screwed last year against Realbuto who ended up in the finals. He's placed 4th and 5th the past two years so he's a known commodity.

Yea, I get that, but at the same time it is supposed to reflect this year's body of work relative to the other wrestlers at the weight class' resume this year against the same universe of wrestlers this year. The B1G was allotted 7 of the places at 157 (nearly a quarter of the field), I-Mar also beat Jo-Jo Smith who is top 10 out of Okie State. So how do you rank the returning National Champ (who was undefeated last year) whose resume is far better last year and this, behind guy's based on last year simply because he lost to the #1 ranked wrestler who also has a resume light year's better than either Miller or Gantt based on this year (including not only all the B1G wins, but a win over top ranked OOC wrestlers including Brascetta, Jo-Jo Smith, Manotti, etc....)??? Absurd to say anyone belongs at #1 and #2 other than Nolf and I-Mar regardless of whether we include last year AND this year......or just go on this year.

 

[april racer]

Yea, I get that, but at the same time it is supposed to reflect this year's body of work relative to the other wrestlers at the weight class' resume this year against the same universe of wrestlers this year. The B1G was allotted 7 of the places at 157 (nearly a quarter of the field), I-Mar also beat Jo-Jo Smith who is top 10 out of Okie State. So how do you rank the returning National Champ (who was undefeated last year) whose resume is far better last year and this, behind guy's based on last year simply because he lost to the #1 ranked wrestler who also has a resume light year's better than either Miller or Gantt based on this year (including not only all the B1G wins, but a win over top ranked OOC wrestlers including Brascetta, Jo-Jo Smith, Manotti, etc....)??? Absurd to say anyone belongs at #1 and #2 other than Nolf and I-Mar regardless of whether we include last year AND this year......or just go on this year.

if you are just comparing this year Gantt has just as impressive of a resume as Martinez. Obviously I think Martinez is better, but similar resumes. As a wrestling fan I would like to see them on opposite sides as an Ok St fan I would like to see them on the same side. I think we see them on opposite sides, but if Nolf beats him again it is not crazy to see him fourth.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

if you are just comparing this year Gantt has just as impressive of a resume as Martinez. Obviously I think Martinez is better, but similar resumes. As a wrestling fan I would like to see them on opposite sides as an Ok St fan I would like to see them on the same side. I think we see them on opposite sides, but if Nolf beats him again it is not crazy to see him fourth.

Disagree. Even if I-Mar losses again to J-No, he will still own way more wins against the field at NCAA's this year than Gantt or Miller -- and he's the returning National Champ who went undefeated last year (Ditto J-No even if he losses to I-Mar at B1Gs in regards to the number of wins and overall W/L record he will own versus the NCAA field). Their rankings and seedings should be based on the number of "quality wins" each wrestler has - e.g., their W/L record against the field at NCAA's (just as a Conference seeding is primarily based on the Conference Record of each wrestler at the weight......e.g., "apples-to-apples" comparison of their record against a similar universe of wrestlers).