Name a team who can beat a top 5 team on the road with their backup QB playing three quarters

[wbcincy]

agreed. The best comp is Georgia. Could Georgia beat a top 5 team on the road if the backup came in with a lead and the defense had to carry the team. The answer is absolutely. That’s why Georgia is #2 and we will be around #9 or #10 on Monday.

Georgia would have continued curb stomping Iowa today if they went to their backup. It's misleading to say "beat a top 5 team" when referring to Iowa. They are not one of the top 5 teams.

If Penn State had to play 1 game to win a National Title, and you got to eliminate 5 teams they wouldn't have to play to do it, you wouldn't even be considering Iowa when crossing those teams off. You probably wouldn't even be considering them if you got to cross 10 teams off.

 

[AWS1022]

Oklahoma’s backup led a comeback against Texas today. That same Texas team would beat Iowa.

That “backup” QB was more like Levis last year….he’s been playing because the starter has been playing poorly.

 

[fkkkjm]

Oklahoma’s backup led a comeback against Texas today. That same Texas team would beat Iowa.

Caleb Williams also came with much higher expectations. #1 dual threat QB 5* can’t miss. Taquan Roberson is not that guy

 

[wolve1972]

Thanks so much... I can't think of one.

The issue wasn't being able to beat a top 5 team - which Iowa isn't - but the kid looking like he had no idea what was going on. I really felt bad for him as you could tell he was unprepared and lost

 

[okinburg1]

“ELITE” Teams(which sure a f$&k ain’t Penn State), such as the following:
Georgia
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State(3rd string, actually)

Clemson? Dude, have you seen them play this year?

 

[demlion]

When did "come in at halftime and win the natty" become the measure we're talking about?

We are making a comparison of using a backup FOR ALL BUT THE VERY FIRST TIME AGAINST A TOP 5 TEAM ON THE ROAD IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME

I said who has done that, and he said Cardale Jones. No. Cardale Jones started the WHOLE SEASON. JESUS.

 

[wbcincy]

Caleb Williams also came with much higher expectations. #1 dual threat QB 5* can’t miss. Taquan Roberson is not that guy

Which brings up the greater point....we had that kid in our backyard, and he went to Oklahoma instead of here. He went to Oklahoma despite Rattler being there, which was a much larger impediment to playing than Clifford, yet OU got him there, and we did not. And that's why we lost, and OU won.

 

[wbcincy]

We ate making a comparison of using a backup FOR ALL BUT THE VERY FIRST TIME AGAINST A TOP 5 TEAM ON THE ROAD IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME

I said who has done that, and he said Cardale Jones. No. Cardale Jones started the WHOLE SEASON. JESUS.

But that isn't true. Cardale came in in 2014 in the middle of the Big Ten Championship game against #11 Wisconsin. He had only thrown about 15 passes all year before that. He beat Wisconsin, then beat Bama, then beat Oregon to win the title. He started 2 games that season, both in the playoffs.

Here is your link to Cardale Jones' 2014 game log: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cardale-jones-1/gamelog/2014/

 

[fkkkjm]

Which brings up the greater point....we had that kid in our backyard, and he went to Oklahoma instead of here. He went to Oklahoma despite Rattler being there, which was a much larger impediment to playing than Clifford, yet OU got him there, and we did not. And that's why we lost, and OU won.

Yeah I dunno. I know Franklin was after him, but he never had a ton of interest. Shame - we don’t do well with the DC schools.

 

[searay26]

Iowa is not a top 5 team. And the teams they play the rest of the year have combined losing record. None are ranked. They have to be the most fortunate team in college football right now.

 

[manilion]

Caleb Williams also came with much higher expectations. #1 dual threat QB 5* can’t miss. Taquan Roberson is not that guy

no such thing as can’t miss. He also came in and did well because he was prepared to play and played from behind. Roberson was no slouch when he arrived and played horribly with a 14 point lead. As a fan you should have higher expectations then this coaching performance.

 

[mcgunns]

bama
georgia
osu


thats why they all make the playoffs every year, they actually do deserve it

 

[wbcincy]

Iowa is not a top 5 team. And the teams they play the rest of the year have combined losing record. None are ranked. They have to be the most fortunate team in college football right now.

They are fortunate insofar as they'll get to play in an NY6 bowl game. But they won't make the playoffs, OSU will be favored by 14+ and will cover in the Big Ten title game.

 

[fkkkjm]

no such thing as can’t miss. He also came in and did well because he was prepared to play and played from behind. Roberson was no slouch when he arrived and played horribly with a 14 point lead. As a fan you should have higher expectations then this coaching performance.

Of course there’s can’t miss when you’re talking perception. A top 10 overall recruit and there will be analysts projecting them as can’t miss All-Pros. You’re splitting hairs for some reason

 

[wbcincy]

Ok...

You disagree? You thought that looked like a good team? I thought Iowa looked completely mediocre.

 

[wolve1972]

You disagree? You thought that looked like a good team? I thought Iowa looked completely mediocre.

If Clifford doesn't go down, PSU wins going away.

 

[demlion]

But that isn't true. Cardale came in in 2014 in the middle of the Big Ten Championship game against #11 Wisconsin. He had only thrown about 15 passes all year before that. He beat Wisconsin, then beat Bama, then beat Oregon to win the title. He started 2 games that season, both in the playoffs.

Here is your link to Cardale Jones' 2014 game log: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cardale-jones-1/gamelog/2014/

Barret got hurt against Michigan. Wisky was no. 13, not even in the top 10. Jones STARTED and threw a TD pass in the FIRST Quarter, Jones had a lot more time to prepare. Also, neutral field.
Not the same at all.

So, you pull one (falsified, not comparable) example out of the history of CFB, and think that makes your point? No.

 

[AWS1022]

But that isn't true. Cardale came in in 2014 in the middle of the Big Ten Championship game against #11 Wisconsin. He had only thrown about 15 passes all year before that. He beat Wisconsin, then beat Bama, then beat Oregon to win the title. He started 2 games that season, both in the playoffs.

Here is your link to Cardale Jones' 2014 game log: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cardale-jones-1/gamelog/2014/

Would he have been there if the transfer portal had been around like it is today?

 

[fkkkjm]

Would he have been there if the transfer portal had been around like it is today?

Cardale wasn’t there for school. You are probably right. He woulda bounced.

 

[Pittston-Lion]

We aren’t one of those teams, it was clear before the season that if anything happened to Clifford it was going to be catastrophic. It happened to be in a tough road environment and it was magnified even more, but I don’t think anyone believes that that’s a loss if Clifford didn’t go down.

 

[wbcincy]

Barret got hurt against Michigan. Wisky was no. 13, not even in the top 10. Jones STARTED and threw a TD pass in the FIRST Quarter, Jones had a lot more time to prepare. Also, neutral field.
Not the same at all.

So, you pull one (falsified, not comparable) example out of the history of CFB, and think that makes your point? No.

I wasn't making any point. I simply noted that you shifted the goalposts on the argument.

It's also absurd you can't just admit when you're wrong. You completely mistook 2014 for 2015 and said Jones started all year. You were so indignant about that you had to put it in caps and add "JESUS." Then when pointed out you're thinking of the wrong season, you just shift and make a different argument and pretend you're still right. This isn't a courtroom, you can just say oops, I had that wrong.

 

[NoBareFeet]

Notre Dame. Great QB depth.

 

[wbcincy]

Would he have been there if the transfer portal had been around like it is today?

Doubtful. If this was 5 years ago, we would've had Levis and won today.

 

[leftys19]

“ELITE” Teams(which sure a f$&k ain’t Penn State), such as the following:
Georgia
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State(3rd string, actually)

You probably don’t even know the backup for any of these teams.

The Oklahoma kid looked pretty good today. From the DC area as well.

Penn state recruited him. He said no. Jesus Christ he was the #1 QB recruiting the nation. Hi

 

[leftys19]

Georgia would have continued curb stomping Iowa today if they went to their backup. It's misleading to say "beat a top 5 team" when referring to Iowa. They are not one of the top 5 teams.

If Penn State had to play 1 game to win a National Title, and you got to eliminate 5 teams they wouldn't have to play to do it, you wouldn't even be considering Iowa when crossing those teams off. You probably wouldn't even be considering them if you got to cross 10 teams off.

Really. Georgia barely beat Clemson. Who is not that good. There are no great teams. It’s wide open.

 

[map-#1]

Thanks so much... I can't think of one.

Ohio State—McCord

 

[fastlax16]

They are fortunate insofar as they'll get to play in an NY6 bowl game. But they won't make the playoffs, OSU will be favored by 14+ and will cover in the Big Ten title game.

Iowa may not beat Wisconsin. They have to go to camp Randall.

 

[AWS1022]

Iowa may not beat Wisconsin. They have to go to camp Randall.

But Wisconsin’s QB is worse than Iowa’s.

 

[fastlax16]

But Wisconsin’s QB is worse than Iowa’s.

But he’s better than our backup. And I think their defense is better than Iowa’s.

 

[demlion]

I wasn't making any point. I simply noted that you shifted the goalposts on the argument.

It's also absurd you can't just admit when you're wrong. You completely mistook 2014 for 2015 and said Jones started all year. You were so indignant about that you had to put it in caps and add "JESUS." Then when pointed out you're thinking of the wrong season, you just shift and make a different argument and pretend you're still right. This isn't a courtroom, you can just say oops, I had that wrong.

You mean like you didn't say YOU had it wrong when you made that ridiculous assertion about Jones coming in in the middle of the championship game? Spare me. The whole comparison was wrong from the start. Jones had a HELL of a lot more prep time than Roberson did, against the overrated #13 Badgers.

So, the cincy plan is I should admit it when I am wrong, but you don't have to? Lol.

 

[TheKing81]

You probably don’t even know the backup for any of these teams.

Penn state recruited him. He said no. Jesus Christ he was the #1 QB recruiting the nation. Hi

Yes, I know. I was simply answering the titles question. He's a backup(till probably next week) that could beat a lot of teams, he would of absolutely picked apart Iowa if he was our #2. Hi.

 

[wbcincy]

You mean like you didn't say YOU had it wrong when you made that ridiculous assertion about Jones coming in in the middle of the championship game? Spare me. The whole comparison was wrong from the start. Jones had a HELL of a lot more prep time than Roberson did, against the overrated #13 Badgers.

So, the cincy plan is I should admit it when I am wrong, but you don't have to? Lol.

Sure, I have no problem admitting I thought he came in during that Wisconsin game. I was wrong about that. Hardly a "ridiculous" assertion though. Using stronger terms doesn't make you more correct. You were completely wrong about what season we were even talking about.

I've seen you do this a hundred times. You have some weird thing where you have to be indignant about how correct you are, then when proven wrong, just shift the argument and remain equally indignant. It's just dishonest and lazy. But I'd expect that from the guy who piled on Paterno in 2011 until you found out people would give you support if you attacked the board instead. I won't ever forget what you said then, and how quickly you changed your tune when you loved the attention.

 

[demlion]

Sure, I have no problem admitting I thought he came in during that Wisconsin game. I was wrong about that. Hardly a "ridiculous" assertion though. Using stronger terms doesn't make you more correct. You were completely wrong about what season we were even talking about.

I've seen you do this a hundred times. You have some weird thing where you have to be indignant about how correct you are, then when proven wrong, just shift the argument and remain equally indignant. It's just dishonest and lazy. But I'd expect that from the guy who piled on Paterno in 2011 until you found out people would give you support if you attacked the board instead. I won't ever forget what you said then, and how quickly you changed your tune when you loved the attention.

Wow. You sure are a projector. You had a VERY BIG problem admitting you were wrong until AFTER I called out your hypocrisy.

This was a case where the qb came in IN THE MIDDLE OF a very close game. Cardale Jones NEVER did that. That he did was your entire argument along with the OP. Your argument was just wrong. I know it upset you to be told you were wrong. That you were wrong about so many different things made it easy.

 

[wbcincy]

Wow. You sure are a projector. You had a VERY BIG problem admitting you were wrong until AFTER I called out your hypocrisy.

This was a case where the qb came in IN THE MIDDLE OF a very close game. Cardale Jones NEVER did that. That he did was your entire argument along with the OP. Your argument was just wrong. I know it upset you to be told you were wrong. That you were wrong about so many different things made it easy.

I admitted I was wrong in the very first post after you pointed out that I was. How could I possibly have done it sooner? And my entire argument? What argument did I ever even make? I never made one, I just called out your inaccuracies and changing goalposts when you were responding to someone else. Maybe trying to manipulate folks and turn arguments around when you're wrong works in your life, but it doesn't with me. It just exposes you as very small and intellectually dishonest.

 

[demlion]

I admitted I was wrong in the very first post after you pointed out that I was. How could I possibly have done it sooner? And my entire argument? What argument did I ever even make? I never made one, I just called out your inaccuracies and changing goalposts when you were responding to someone else. Maybe trying to manipulate folks and turn arguments around when you're wrong works in your life, but it doesn't with me. It just exposes you as very small and intellectually dishonest.

Lol. What argument? Your argument that Cardale Jones was a person who did these things! He did not do what the OP was talking about, at all.
Did not come into the game in the middle, without any notice or prep, did not defeat a top 5 team at their place, and was not in the same situation at all.

Your point was so poor that even without having every fact correct, tearing it apart was easy. Imagine! Upsets you so badly you have to call me names. Small is the word, alright.

 

[wbcincy]

Lol. What argument? Your argument that Cardale Jones was a person who did these things! He did not do what the OP was talking about, at all.
Did not come into the game in the middle, without any notice or prep, did not defeat a top 5 team at their place, and was not in the same situation at all.

Your point was so poor that even without having every fact correct, tearing it apart was easy. Imagine! Upsets you so badly you have to call me names. Small is the word, alright.

I never argued Jones did anything, I just pointed out what you were saying was wrong. And you still never admitted how completely wrong you were on proclamations you put IN ALL CAPS ABOUT HOW JONES STARTED ALL YEAR, JESUS!

It's sad. Just admit you had the year wrong when making your comments. But you won't. You gotta do you, and that means being dishonest. I'll let you have the last word, it's not worth arguing with someone so dishonest.

 

[demlion]

I never argued Jones did anything, I just pointed out what you were saying was wrong. And you still never admitted how completely wrong you were on proclamations you put IN ALL CAPS ABOUT HOW JONES STARTED ALL YEAR, JESUS!

It's sad. Just admit you had the year wrong when making your comments. But you won't. You gotta do you, and that means being dishonest. I'll let you have the last word, it's not worth arguing with someone so dishonest.

Lol. Your mis-understanding of what Jones did missed the ENTIRE ISSUE of the post. But you had to correct me. Okay, but you never understood that CARDALE JONES never was asked to do what Roberson was asked to do. Sorry I didn't let your horseshit niggling cloud the issue like you hoped it would. It IS always preferable, when only 1 person knows what he is talking about, to let him have the last word. You might learn something.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Thanks so much... I can't think of one.

Iowa

 

[PSU_Nut]

Didn't Georgia start a backup vs #8 Arkansas and crush them?

There also a big difference between a guy coming off the bench mid game and having an entire week to prepare. He also basically played the entire previous game. Daniels also had started games previously at USC and was not getting his first ever real game action.

 

[demlion]

Alabama lost last night, to 3-2 TxAM team.