Bo Nikal ”Wrestling is an easy sport, you just go out there and wrestle!”
NCAA Wrestling Championship - Session 4
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Then explain your reasoning. I clearly saw Hall's chinstrap get grabbed and the announcers said it was the correct call. What am I missing?
Look, he clearly grabbed the headgear. That, per se, is a foul.
Are you saying that you don't like the rule or that the infraction awards a point? I would disagree with you, but I guess that's a reasonable opinion.
If you're saying you didn't see the infraction, yes you're wrong.
I think they should have taken the points away from that wrestler for grabbing the strap but to award PSU a point for it? I don't agree with that.
Somewhat comparable to the football penalty for grabbing the face mask. Sometimes it seems like incidental contact (though at some point the rules makers gave up differentiating between the 5-yard and 15-yard variety), and sometimes the grabbing is obvious (and potentially dangerous). The violation by the ASU wrestler was clear, and properly called, though not until the challenge from PSU.
Again, what don't you agree with? Are you arguing that Valencia didn't grab the headgear? If so, you're wrong. It's not an opinion, video clearly showed he did. If you are arguing that Hall shouldn't have been awarded a point, well you're wrong there too. It's a technical violation and is automatically a point, there is no discretion from the referee. Again, not opinion but fact.
Jesus. Fine, you're entitled to your alternative fact.
Alternative fact by disagreeing with giving a point by grabbing the mask. I used to wrestle and it happened often. They took the points away and that should make it alright. Why don't you get off your high horse and let people feel the way they want to feel. Who do you think you are.
Two really good ones -- Brady Berge, who projects at 149, and Nick Lee from Indiana, who could be in the lineup next year at 141.
Keep in mind the 5 NCAA finalists are underclassmen
Zain -- Junior
Jason Nolf -- Sophomore
Cenzo Joseph -- Freshman
Mark Hall -- Freshman
Bo Nickal -- Sophomore
Some wrestling fans think the 2017-18 PSU team could be Cael's best
Yes, will be good to see Nick back on the mat. I don't have inside info, but I think there is a good chance Nick will be at 125, at least for next year. Spencer Lee may redshirt next year, esp. considering his leg injury.
Put me in that camp. All 5 of these finalists should be again next year. Nick Lee will be a factor at 141 and Suriano would probably be in the final if healthy. Be very interesting to see what happens at 197 next year and if Cassar could challenge Cutch and where potentially Mason Manville fits in.
Thanks, guys. I heard about Spencer Lee's knee injury. That sucks.
The problem is that if you don't give a point to the wrestler who the violation was committed against then there is very little deterrent to trying to grab the headgear again other than simply having to give up the points you acquired by committing an illegal move. You have to have a deterrent in place or there's no reason for wrestlers not to try and get away with rules violations.
New yc I agree with the deterrent. But I put it up there in that situation with:
Seton hall getting flagrant foul call against them with little time to go instead of just giving foul and shots for that.
Weber at Michigan calling timeout in final and instead of ref saying you don't have any more timeouts they call the technical and game is over.
Let them play within the rules but don't step in. I guess I feel that way when I see a sport like golf finally realizing that some rules they have that penalize the player or outcome is not needed.
Seton hall getting flagrant foul call against them with little time to go instead of just giving foul and shots for that.
Weber at Michigan calling timeout in final and instead of ref saying you don't have any more timeouts they call the technical and game is over.
Let them play within the rules but don't step in. I guess I feel that way when I see a sport like golf finally realizing that some rules they have that penalize the player or outcome is not needed.
This reminds me of the dake taylor match and has me worried. Dean is methodical and brings opponents to his level of patience and movement. Bo reminds me of taylor. Hi flying up to the point he wrestled dake. Then he wrestled dakes match. It will be scary and exciting.
The officials are obliged to makes calls based on the rules and the facts of the event. If the call was consistent with the facts and rules, it was correct, and the the case is closed. That's the way sports work. You can have an opinion on whether the rule should or shouldn't be in place, and that's 100% reasonable. Until the rule is changed, if the facts are clear and the rule is clear, it's pretty black and white and any official who rules otherwise is failing to do her/his job.
I play golf, and I agree that many of the rules are dumb and am looking forward to the changes. I don't play to the letter when I'm playing a casual round with friends; few golfers do. When I play in a tournament, I expect all involved to play by the rules and the officials to enforce them. The alternative is giving officials latitude to make it up as they go along and you end up with a mess like the baseball strike zone where an umpire can impact a game calling balls and strikes based on his personal opinion and mood.
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