I believe the biggest question is do we want a 100% Brady at 165 or an 80% Brady at 157? The 149 Brady missed quite a few matches and was a shell of the Brady we saw last year. I'll be happy if he stays at 165, even though we have a drop off at 157.
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I agree with you he is wrestling top notch. As of now, he's my pick to win the weight in March. However, I wouldn't be completely surprised if Massa beats him. To overlook Massa or write him off and just count that as an automatic win would be a terrible disservice. Massa is a very good wrestler, undefeated on the year, and finished 5th last year at NCAAs. He has wins over a number of good guys including Wick, Romero, and had some extremely close matches with Cenzo
Tony has earned the 157 spot, I think it's pretty clear at this point and barring a change of heart by Berge about going back down to 157, he will be our guy in the postseason. He's been our starter for all Big Ten duals, he didn't get sent to the Scuffle and he has gotten the toughest 157 assignments to date (Humphreys/Teemer) as well. He's going out there and scrapping and has given himself a chance in basically every match I've watched so far this year. Yes, he's not winning but as far as I'm concerned, he's shown way more than Bearclaw and Joe because he at least has a very reliable go to attack with the ankle pick.
I can see Claw potentially making a case for 157 being his spot since he's done pretty well in extra matches and can ride. Joe still enjoys those low percentage throws and fancy rolls off bottom and it's pretty clear he can't make 157 comfortably.
I can see Claw potentially making a case for 157 being his spot since he's done pretty well in extra matches and can ride. Joe still enjoys those low percentage throws and fancy rolls off bottom and it's pretty clear he can't make 157 comfortably.
Somebody has to know what Brady weighed in at on Sunday. They announced Kerk at 240.8. Come on......let us know......or we'll just keep guessing 
Wait, is there a quote from Berge somewhere saying he has chosen to go 165 and does not currently plan to try for 157?
Nope just took my glasses off lol. I'm a hopeless optimist maybe one glorious run for the ages. Would make a great story for this program. Guy comes back for his last year and wins it all.
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Nope, but in January 2017 I didn't see Cenzo pinning IMar to win the title either.
However, Cenzo told me right after the Illionis dual in Rec Hall that he would get him (IMar) before the end of the season.
What I do know is around the third week in March Penn State kids step up and achieve. Whether we saw it coming or not.
My first match, I gave up 90 pounds, so yeah.
I was 193 (185 was the top weight) and the other kid was 283. I still remember then putting the balance scale on 250 and sliding it up and up...
(heavyweight was unlimited then, before the Thacker rule) and he was a ball of something. Four or five times I got in on his leg, but I might as well have been pulling on a Redwood.
I lost a close decision he escaped, I could not and was hero for not giving up bonus, even though it was JV.
It's only January 18. Still time for the coaches to get 157 and 165 settled. Time is winding down however, so who we see this weekend and next are key.
I had this discussion with a fellow board member recently. It's not who has the likelihood of scoring the most points at 157 OR 165, it's the best combo that has the likelihood of scoring the most combined points at 157 AND 165.
I had this discussion with a fellow board member recently. It's not who has the likelihood of scoring the most points at 157 OR 165, it's the best combo that has the likelihood of scoring the most combined points at 157 AND 165.
We need a NQ at 157 in order to have the chance to score any points there.
Hmmm ... when you post these little tidbits it always feels like you know something more than what you're sharing.
True, but the point still holds. I'm not giving up on the weight, but it is my opinion we don't need it to win NCAA's.
So what your maybe implying is that with Brady, him going at 165 being 0+? is actually better than ?+NQ. You may just be right. Only time will tell.
I think edsall can qualify, I dont think Tony can. So the next question is what weight can Brady then get the most points. Conventional wisdom looks at the field at both weights and says 157 is clearly easier to AA on paper. 165 is a meat grinder, we all know that. Brady not being a big bonus guy further suggests he may have a hard time getting points on the backside at 165 compared to 157. So the common thought process of us keyboard warriors is Brady should suck down and go 157. That just may not be in the cards, due to factors outside of our intranet control. It is what it is, so well all just have to deal with it.
Whether it was Jim English, Shaq, Lawson, RS or not to RS etc, etc...Cael and the staff know exactly what they are doing and as far as Im concerned are playing with the houses money since they came to SC. So let it rip and lets go!
He certed at 165. You know how that works. Almost everyone certs a weight or two over where they eventually wrestle.
Not true. Certifications are final.
"As soon as the assessor and head coach confirm and accept the established minimum weight class, the certification is permanently saved and is unalterable."
That’s why I asked for clarification a few days back;
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However, and maybe this is just me being a Penn State homer, but Cael seems to always seek out challenges for his guys to help them learn and improve. There has been no evidence of ducking for PSU. That’s not the case here at all. It is fair to note that other coaches, have shown some ducking...
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You said "He certed at 165". The information on Track are not certifications, and are simply labeled "Wt. Class". I do understand, though it adds to fellow fans' confusion when it's called something it's not. Here's a better definition, to minimize confusion.
I’ll preface this with the “if Brady can comfortably and is certified to make 157” and from what I’ve seen so far:
I believe this is the best situation for Brady and the team; best finish for Brady and most combined team points.
I think Brady was on track for high finish last year and I think that he could certainly AA and possibly be top 4 at the weight this year. 165 will be a grind and yes, he will score, but AA would not be a given.
I believe Edsel can qualify and potentially win a few points in March.
I like our other 157s, but I don’t know if any of the 3 or 4 are likely to qualify or if they do score as many team points as Edsel would in March.
I really wish Tony had held on that last match, I don't see him at 50/50 at this point in time, maybe 25/75.
So others help me out here. He probably gets one of the top 15 nationally ranked kids in the first round of Bigs which will likely be a loss, so his chances to qualify for Nationals will come down to how he does on the backside. Unless he wins twice in a row he would probably be out - correct?
With his current record I don't see his situation as that much different form Beau's last year. BB certainly deserved a trip to nationals but the bad draw at Bigs killed it.
Sure Negron has been so close against a number of good wrestlers, but a cupboard full of close losses isn't going to get him there in terms of a decent seed.
On the other hand I, feel much better about Edsel's chances to qualify. He to still needs a win or two at Bigs, of which he is capable.
Thoughts on the kind of draw Berge might get at Bigs as well if he goes 165?
I am concerned and would sleep more soundly if Brady were at 157 even with no matches behind him going into the conference tourney.
Granted Cael knows exactly what he wants to do and why, I still wrestle with my own thoughts. Despite their near deity status in my eyes, the coaches made a mistake with Beau last year. Had he a half dozen more matches at 149 before Bigs his seed would have been different and he probably qualifies.
Am I wrong, let me have it?
Based on what we've seen so far from the various parties, it seems pretty obvious - the best lineup for PSU is Berge at 157 and Edsell at 165. Whether Berge can descend to 157, and be effective, are the caveats.
If "no", then PSU probably doesn't qualify at 157, and it probably becomes a question of who is better at 165, Berge or Edsell. Berge has the better "pedigree", but at this moment 'm not sure is an improvement over Edsell. Maybe that will change in the next month or so.
If "no", then PSU probably doesn't qualify at 157, and it probably becomes a question of who is better at 165, Berge or Edsell. Berge has the better "pedigree", but at this moment 'm not sure is an improvement over Edsell. Maybe that will change in the next month or so.
Maybe I am confused..tell me where I'm wrong.
track lists 165 as the weight (meaning he weighed in anywhere from 157.1 to 165). WesttoEast asked what weight he certed at. I say 165 and you say I'm wrong?
What did I say that was wrong? It's my understanding that once you weigh in you can descend down per week if you wanted to go lower just like everyone else listed on track. So in other words, he can wrestle 165 right away (which he did), or depending on what he weighed in at, he could possible try to descend down to a lower weight class given the 1.5% per week
I'm not trying to be argumentative..just assumed the way I described is how it worked. Trying to understand what I'm missing?
Yep. Brady 'certifying' at 165 only means he is was between 157.1 and 165. If he so desires to go down to 157, that action will be governed by a decent plan. Certifying in no way fixes his weight at 165 for the season.
I will remain on an island and say his target is 157 despite the breadcrumbs we have been fed.
Given the relative strengths of the two weight classes and Edsel vs Negron's performances to date it seems Brady at 157 makes the most sense for potential team points.
The only reason to keep Brady up at 165 is if Brady himself doesn't want to do the decent. For all we know he was walking around at 175 a few weeks ago and has already had to cut to get down to 165. I don't think so, but it is possible.
I will remain on an island and say his target is 157 despite the breadcrumbs we have been fed.
Given the relative strengths of the two weight classes and Edsel vs Negron's performances to date it seems Brady at 157 makes the most sense for potential team points.
The only reason to keep Brady up at 165 is if Brady himself doesn't want to do the decent. For all we know he was walking around at 175 a few weeks ago and has already had to cut to get down to 165. I don't think so, but it is possible.
